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Your safety and security should be your first priority. You can't count on the police in an emergency. Quote:
JOSEPHINE COUNTY, Ore. (CBS Seattle) — An Oregon woman was told by a 911 dispatcher that authorities wouldn’t be able be able to help her as her ex-boyfriend broke into her place because of budget cuts.
Oregon Public Radio reports that an unidentified woman called 911 during a weekend in August 2012 while Michael Bellah was breaking into her place. Her call was forwarded to Oregon State Police because of lay-offs at the Josephine County Sheriff’s Office only allows the department to be open Monday through Friday.
“Uh, I don’t have anybody to send out there,” the 911 dispatcher told the woman. “You know, obviously, if he comes inside the residence and assaults you, can you ask him to go away? Do you know if he’s intoxicated or anything?”
The woman told the dispatcher that Bellah previously attacked her and left her hospitalized a few weeks prior to the latest incident. The dispatcher stayed on the phone with the woman for more than 10 minutes before the sexual assault took place.
“Once again it’s unfortunate you guys don’t have any law enforcement out there,” the dispatcher said, according to Oregon Public Radio.
The woman responded: “Yeah, it doesn’t matter, if he gets in the house I’m done.”
Police say Bellah choked the woman and sexually assaulted her. He was arrested by Oregon State Police following the incident.
“There isn’t a day that goes by that we don’t have another victim,” Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilberson told Oregon Public Radio. “If you don’t pay the bill, you don’t get the service.”
The sheriff’s department had to cut 23 deputies and the entire major crimes unit after it lost a multi-million dollar federal subsidy, according to Oregon Public Radio. There are now only six deputies left.
The sheriff’s department even put out a press release warning domestic violence victims to “consider relocating to an area with adequate law enforcement services.”
Bellah pleaded guilty to kidnapping, sex abuse and assault.
http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013/05/23/9...to-budget-cuts/
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The sheriff’s department even put out a press release inviting domestic violence aggressors into the area
isn't that what this story and such a release is doing?
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The sheriff’s department had to cut 23 deputies and the entire major crimes unit after it lost a multi-million dollar federal subsidy, according to Oregon Public Radio. There are now only six deputies left.
This is the problem... it's not a federal problem, it should have never been federally funded... it's a local law enforcement issue that should be discussed, debated, and resolved locally. If you need more law enforcement in your area, then tax and spend locally on what you need.
While I feel tremendous sympathy for this woman, the local politicians need to stop placing the blame on the federal government...
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Just revolting.
You know what's really disgusting? Every time we are about to face budget cuts vs tax increases in this area, the cuts aren't administrative cuts ....... they are cuts to police ... and to maintain the jail, (even though that actually brings in money) ..... and to other safety services. Fire stations get closed ... and people are put at risk because that's how you get taxes passed.
The situation in this article turns my stomach. I bet there were other cuts that could have been made to other areas that could have allowed for additional law enforcement personnel to remain on the job.
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My girlfriend says this all the time. When these fat cat politicians want to make sure their pockets are still lined, they look to cut first responders more than anything else. It's awful.
She fears that her job one day will be replaced by call centers. The quality of the people at 911 goes down drastically.
The worst part of all of this is that cops, real ones, not chiefs or other bureaucrats, don't get paid a lot of money. They are literally cutting regular jobs.
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Like I said Ytown.. they went from 29 deputies and a major crimes unit to 6 deputies because they lost a federal grant?
Either they were really bloated before or they are really thin now (probably a little of both)... you can't lose more than 80% of your force because the feds decide to stop sending you money.
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Josephine County, Oregon
Area: 1,642 sq miles (4,253 km²)
Population: 82,987 (2011) (that's the entire county!)
It has a rather low median income of $31k per household.
Tiny and poor. With as small as the population is and with as low as the average incomes are, it is little wonder that they cannot afford more.
That's a LOT of ground to cover. Nearly half of thet population lives in the county seat of Grants Pass, the rest is spread out all over the place with apparently no other town in the county having more than 2,000 people.
In either case, if they need more bodies, the State of Oregon should help, not the Feds.
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It's a beautiful part of Oregon for sure but it's remote. Oregon has large expanses of VERY low population. I can see how it would be hard to pay for and service some of these areas.
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The sheriff’s department had to cut 23 deputies and the entire major crimes unit after it lost a multi-million dollar federal subsidy, according to Oregon Public Radio. There are now only six deputies left.
This is the problem... it's not a federal problem, it should have never been federally funded... it's a local law enforcement issue that should be discussed, debated, and resolved locally. If you need more law enforcement in your area, then tax and spend locally on what you need.
While I feel tremendous sympathy for this woman, the local politicians need to stop placing the blame on the federal government...
I agree with you, but where are the local governments supposed to get the money?
We can debate it all we want, but the bottom line, states and localities are having financial strains placed upon them as well.
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Lets keep ignoring our own while we support the illegal bastids who keep coming into our country. This kind of crap just makes me want to puke 
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Josephine County, Oregon
Area: 1,642 sq miles (4,253 km²)
Population: 82,987 (2011) (that's the entire county!)
It has a rather low median income of $31k per household.
Tiny and poor. With as small as the population is and with as low as the average incomes are, it is little wonder that they cannot afford more.
That's a LOT of ground to cover. Nearly half of thet population lives in the county seat of Grants Pass, the rest is spread out all over the place with apparently no other town in the county having more than 2,000 people.
In either case, if they need more bodies, the State of Oregon should help, not the Feds.
I agree.....it's like that in many places in this counrty. Everybody doesn't live in a city, yet with the votes they can garner, they think everybody lives in a NYC or Chicago.
The best first responder is you. It's a rare day a cop prevents a crime. They usually respond to a call about a crime......usually after the fact, or in progress if lucky, not about to happen.
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Wow! There are FATTER cats getting or stowing way more of our tax dollars, but providing protection is going to be called "tax and spend"? 
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J/C Too bad she couldn't put a hole in that guy!
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It's a beautiful part of Oregon for sure but it's remote. Oregon has large expanses of VERY low population. I can see how it would be hard to pay for and service some of these areas.
You can service it with the 2nd Amendment.
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First, I blame the democrats, starting with Obama, but any Democrat would be just as bad.
But Seriously. Why did they get rid of 23 officers? Why didn't the officers just take a lower pay? Were they making minimum wage? Does that sound harsh, well it is the bottom line of what the goverment is doing to this country by always wanting more and more and more and more and it's never enough.
And finaly, The state police should have re-assigned their recsources to cover the area when the locality was closed. The idea that there's an area with no coverage is just Bull.
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Great in theory but I think anarchy's thoughts of self protection is more realistic.
Take a look at another Oregon county.
Harney County is a county located in Eastern Oregon
Area: 10,226 sq miles (26,485 km²)
Population: 7,373 (2011)
County seat: Burns, population: 2,789 (2011)
So how again are they to afford enough cops to cover over 10,000 square miles?
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Great in theory but I think anarchy's thoughts of self protection is more realistic.
Take a look at another Oregon county.
Harney County is a county located in Eastern Oregon
Area: 10,226 sq miles (26,485 km²)
Population: 7,373 (2011)
County seat: Burns, population: 2,789 (2011)
So how again are they to afford enough cops to cover over 10,000 square miles?
You aren't, and why many people want a solid weapon and a stock of ammo to hold off an assult until the first cops, who might be 50 miles way show up.
Like I said, the police react to stuff. They generally aren't there when it is breaking. The odds of a cop driving by when somebody is kicking in your door and winning the big lotto are probable similar.
Change your odds is my opinion.....have a little something more waiting then a chair jammed under the door handle.
If you expect the cops, even in a big city, showing up in time is your bet......you need to start making a different bet.....that's a loser.
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Just as a point of reference: The city of Youngstown, the fastest shrinking city in the state of Ohio  has about 75,000 residents, about 34% of whom are below the poverty level, and who pay little or no city income taxes, and 16% of whom are 65 and older, and pay no income taxes. The city of Youngstown employs 152 full time police officers. (plus detectives) The Sheriff's Department is a county agency, funded by Mahoning County via the county sales tax, and property tax. Youngstown is about 34,000 square miles in total area. Just as a point of reference. As far as your example .....do the cities in the county charge a city income tax rate? What are their property tax rates? What is the county's piece of the sales tax pie? Further, I would bet that if they have that much land to so few people, they might have federal protected lands, parks, and such in their country. Maybe large areas of such lands, which would be protected either by federal employees, or by money allocated to care for such lands, and paid to the county. Maybe out of that 10,000 square miles, they only have to patrol half of that? There would seem to me to be a lot more that goes into such an equation beyond the size of the city or county, the population, the income, income, sales, and property tax rates, and so on.
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I think you've added a few zeros.
Youngstown is 34 square miles. Not 34,000.
Mahoning County...
Population... 238,823
Area...580.2 square miles
Yes Harney County, Oregon has some BLM land but a lot is huge open ranches. The nearest cop could be a long ways off. Having a gun is your safest bet.
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Geesh ... never mind.  I knew that didn't sound at all right. Anyway ...... that makes it even more likely that the county in Oregon would be less developed, with completely undeveloped areas. OK, I looked it up, and Harney County includes the Alvord Desert, Malheur National Forest, (more than 1.4 million acres), the Malhuer wildlife refuge, (187,000 acres) the Diamond Craters, Steens Mountain Wilderness and Reserves, (wilderness is 170,000 acres, and the mountains are 50 miles long) part of the Ochoco National Forest, and 2 reservoirs and 2 lakes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Protected_areas_of_Harney_County,_Oregon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochoco_National_Forest75% of the people live within the Burns-Hines municipal district. Crane is the only other localised population center, with less than 7% of the population of Harney County. Lawen and Riley have no localised populations. The remaining population of Harney County is dispersed throughout the countryside, mostly dwelling on large ranches. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harney_County,_Oregon#National_protected_areas Burns is 3.55 square miles, according to Wiki. Hines if 2.13 square miles. That's where most of the people live. Large ranches likely have many farmhands living on premises, and I would guess that most large ranches have their own security forces. On one site I saw, it said that there are 2 counties that have died off completely. It also said that there are limes and miles of roads that seem to go absolutely nowhere. lol They probably do go nowhere now.
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Josephine County, Oregon
Area: 1,642 sq miles (4,253 km²)
Population: 82,987 (2011) (that's the entire county!)
It has a rather low median income of $31k per household.
Tiny and poor. With as small as the population is and with as low as the average incomes are, it is little wonder that they cannot afford more.
That's a LOT of ground to cover. Nearly half of thet population lives in the county seat of Grants Pass, the rest is spread out all over the place with apparently no other town in the county having more than 2,000 people.
In either case, if they need more bodies, the State of Oregon should help, not the Feds.
I agree.....it's like that in many places in this counrty. Everybody doesn't live in a city, yet with the votes they can garner, they think everybody lives in a NYC or Chicago.
The best first responder is you. It's a rare day a cop prevents a crime. They usually respond to a call about a crime......usually after the fact, or in progress if lucky, not about to happen.
No doubt. In reality it's actually a fluke if a cop prevents a crime.
In this incident, with 6 law enforcement officers inside a 40 x 40 square mile area such as this, the old saying "When seconds count the police are only 5 minutes away" is just a pipe dream.
Anti gun folks become pro gun folks one incident, or in this case, one assault at a time.
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I agree with you, but where are the local governments supposed to get the money?
We can debate it all we want, but the bottom line, states and localities are having financial strains placed upon them as well.
From the same place the federal government gets it... you. I've advocated on this board many times to lower federal taxes and increase local taxes so this stuff can be handled locally and without the need for grants and support from the federal government.
Likewise, if you are going to choose to live in a very rural area, essentially "in the middle of nowhere" then one trade-off for having that kind of lifestyle is slower response time of police, fire, etc...
If I choose to live in the country, outside of a small rural town, then there a few things I need to realize and be prepared to accept... my hospital is probably not going to have the greatest shock trauma center if I get hurt, the police probably aren't going to get to my house in minutes, I can't expect to have a pizza delivered in 30 minutes, I can't walk to the grocery store.....
The fact that this woman lives in a rural area, the fact that the cut in law enforcement was evidently widely publicized, and lastly, the fact that this nutjob had already attacked her once before.... all leads me to agree with Peen that she should have been prepared to defend herself. I'm not blaming her, I'm still blaming him and hope he gets severely punished, but she needed a better self-defense plan than the telephone.
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I agree with you, but where are the local governments supposed to get the money?
We can debate it all we want, but the bottom line, states and localities are having financial strains placed upon them as well.
From the same place the federal government gets it... you. I've advocated on this board many times to lower federal taxes and increase local taxes so this stuff can be handled locally and without the need for grants and support from the federal government.
Likewise, if you are going to choose to live in a very rural area, essentially "in the middle of nowhere" then one trade-off for having that kind of lifestyle is slower response time of police, fire, etc...
If I choose to live in the country, outside of a small rural town, then there a few things I need to realize and be prepared to accept... my hospital is probably not going to have the greatest shock trauma center if I get hurt, the police probably aren't going to get to my house in minutes, I can't expect to have a pizza delivered in 30 minutes, I can't walk to the grocery store.....
The fact that this woman lives in a rural area, the fact that the cut in law enforcement was evidently widely publicized, and lastly, the fact that this nutjob had already attacked her once before.... all leads me to agree with Peen that she should have been prepared to defend herself. I'm not blaming her, I'm still blaming him and hope he gets severely punished, but she needed a better self-defense plan than the telephone.
There you go, being sensible again,, don't you know that kinda thinking isn't allowed on here
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