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You so badly want to be the BMOC here. Well guess what...a lot of people know their football here and can debate you successfully strictly with football discussions. Once that happens, and people disagree with your position, you go into your personal tirades and it makes you look like a petulant child.
Congratulations. You have successfully turned another football thread into an exchange of personal attacks. You say this stuff about me, but it is you who always starts ripping me. Let's scroll back-up the board, shall we? Who made the first post and was it that person's opinions or an attack on another poster. Then, scroll down and see who responded to that post and insulted the original poster.
I am tired of bullies like you ripping me and then putting up a statement like the one I quoted to begin this post. I don't respond to you guys. I make a football post where I give my opinion. You guys REPLY to me and tell me what a jerk I am. I don't like bullies, so I reply back in a manner that suits the tone of your posts, and we get the "personal tirades" and "petulant child" comments, all the while deflecting the talk away from football and onto me. Great strategy. When you don't agree w/another poster, attack his personal character.
Btw----------I am sure you only included "part" of the PM...LOL and I could care less about being BMOC. In fact, I don't want to be anything of the sort. However, you making that claim certainly does explain a lot about how you and Dj regard me.
I've been on the boards a long time and I have typically flown solo throughout the years. Never worried about impressing anyone or getting in w/a group. BMOC? LMAO.....I'll let guys like you and Dj have that title, but I will continue to express my thoughts on football no matter what you do.
Thus, I stand by my comments that I made in my first post. Weeden did not show signs of good anticipation and he certainly did not deliver the ball on time.
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'peen: Personally, I would be shocked if that was actually the case. I have to date seen nothing in your posts that would lead me to believe this to be factual. Say it ain't so, bro....
You might want to go back and look who Heldawg is responding to...
I stand corrected...thanks, CH.
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I am tired of bullies like you ripping me and then putting up a statement like the one I quoted to begin this post.
Vers, you reap what you sow. You use a lot of bullying and agenda driven tactics yourself, and then accuse others of doing exactly what you do.
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The kid didn't even have a playbook in college. How could he possibly throw to a spot if he didn't know where the WR was going to be? all the offense was designed to do was throw to the open guy.
In these spread schemes, the receiver has basically 4 or 5 routes but they have variations off of those routes. It is true that they do not have a play book as in an actual book but they have plays and many of those are based upon the receiver running to the empty area of the field and the quarterback identifying the empty area and throwing to that spot.
This is why many spread quarterbacks have so much trouble when asked to throw a receiver open. It is also why you have some guys saying a QB shows anticipation and another says he lacks anticipation. Weeden in college showed anticipation by throwing to the spot that he saw as open and the receiver reached that spot to get the football.
Last year we often saw a lack of anticipation as he was asked to throw to the receiver as he moved. This is where he struggled and he hesitated. These are the harder throws to make.
Much of what Norv and Chud ask their receiver to do is run to that empty spot. Steve Smith was phenomenal at this under chud. The TE makes a living by running to the open spot in the middle. Now these receivers are going to be asked to run the post or go the majority of the time. Those will often be single coverage, throw it up philosophy.
Anyway this is my thinking and I may very well be wrong. It wouldnt be the first time and certainly want be the last lol. The deep drops and the gun just gives the qb a chance to see the field and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to run this offense. You aren't asked to read the defense as much as you are asked to read the field.
The college spread really just was an offshoot of what the Chargers were doing a long time ago. Norv just likes doing it with 2 TE single back offense. Chud likes to mix it up a bit more lol.
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'peen: Personally, I would be shocked if that was actually the case. I have to date seen nothing in your posts that would lead me to believe this to be factual. Say it ain't so, bro....
Sorry man, I don't know what the heck you are talking about. I haven't sent anybody profanity laced PM's
As for Shurmer, that goes back to a thread where I said he looked like a Rat...is it insulting? Probably so, but I am not going to sweat it...Hopefully his name gets mentioned less and less. Now I need to get back to reading the thread to see if I said anything else to draw your reprimand or you are attaching quotes to me that don't make any sense. 
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'peen: Personally, I would be shocked if that was actually the case. I have to date seen nothing in your posts that would lead me to believe this to be factual. Say it ain't so, bro....
You might want to go back and look who Heldawg is responding to...
I stand corrected...thanks, CH.
Good. Glad you got that cleared up. 
To show some reconciliation, which is something in need around here, I will try to refrain from calling Pat, Rat. I'll just call him Shurmer. Fair enough? But.....if Chaun Thompson ever comes in to the conversation, I draw the line. He is still Chump Thompson. 
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To show some reconciliation, which is something in need around here, I will try to refrain from calling Pat, Rat. I'll just call him Shurmer. Fair enough? But.....if Chaun Thompson ever comes in to the conversation, I draw the line. He is still Chump Thompson.
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Mourg,
I respect your knowledge a great deal,but to say a spread O doesn't employ a playbook is just flatout wrong.
Hell,there are so many variations of the spread,that the only correct statement is that it is pass oriented.
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Richardson still managed to rush for 950 yards and 11 rushing touchdowns in 15 games last season.
This is what most stood out to me. That's better than 1 touchdown for every 95 yards.
To be fair to Gordon, he only said surprised in reference to how much they will run downfield.
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I think Shurmur and his coaching really did Weeden a disservice.
I agree, Rat Shurmer was a joke. Without a question the least equipped head coach this team has ever had.
That guy was coaching for his job and threw Weeden under the bus. He had the guy afraid to play the game. That isn't coaching your guys up.
We gain 2-3 wins simply by not having that simpleton around.
That's awesome! Because we would have went 8-8 this year changing nothing. So gaining 2-3 wins makes us 10-6 or 11-5. Anything less means these guys aren't any better than the last regime you hate so much.
This offense BETTER surprise. It better score a LOT of points. because we're going to give up a lot of points....
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I am tired of bullies like you ripping me and then putting up a statement like the one I quoted to begin this post.
Vers, you reap what you sow. You use a lot of bullying and agenda driven tactics yourself, and then accuse others of doing exactly what you do.
Really? Let's go back, shall we?
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This all sounds wonderful, but I have a few points of contention.
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Turner prefers a downhill running game built upon the lead draw and power, which allow his running backs to hit the hole with their shoulders square at the point of attack. This reduces the number of negative runs
That doesn't sound like TRich to me. He isn't very decisive. In fact, the author later mentioned TRich's patience a couple of times. TRich did not demonstrate the decisive, quick, one-cut to the hole ability last year.
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After breaking down Weeden's performance as a rookie, I came away impressed with his arm strength, awareness and anticipation. He can make every throw in the book with zip and velocity. Most importantly, Weeden will let the ball go on time, trusting his receivers to get to their designated spots down the field.
Did this guy really study Weeden? Awareness? Anticipation? Letting the ball go on time? Sheesh...these were probably his three biggest weaknesses.
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With his unique combination of athleticism and ball skills, Cameron could assume the role of between-the-hashes difference-maker in Cleveland. As a former collegiate basketball player (Cameron played basketball at BYU before transferring to USC to play football), he has a knack for using his body to create separation from defenders. Additionally, he is a terrific pass catcher with a penchant for pulling down tough grabs in crowds. This should be a huge asset to Weeden, because it will give him a safe, dependable receiver to target in the middle of the field.
I hear a lot of hype about this guy, but I really can't seem to remember him making many catches. The guy is saying he has a penchant for pulling down tough grabs in crowds and will be a dependable target? Wait a second........let me look something up.
Back---------Jordan has 26 catches in two years. Averages around 10 yds. a catch. Has 1 TD. Dependable, indeed.
Bet this author won't be called a bozo, but I'm sure I will get ripped for "not knowing football" because I question some of the things this "expert" wrote about.
I don't know..............looks pretty much like football talk to me. Show me where I called you out.
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No football talk there. Just insults. You ripped me while being unprovoked a week or so ago. I let it go. You just did it again. Unprovoked. I never addressed you.You are still holding a grudge because I ripped you for comparing Weeden to Luck and RGIII, That was over a month ago. I got guys like you and Dj and Held ripping me every freaking day...........and you expect me to NEVER respond.
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that happens, and people disagree with your position, you go into your personal tirades and it makes you look like a petulant child.
A petulant child? Is that not namecalling? Or, is it okay because Held did it?
And let's look back at your posts on this thread. Oooopppps.............there is only one. No football. Just an attack on me. I did not address you or Held, yet both of you felt the need to rip me. I wonder how many people on here are smart enough to see through the BS that guys like you post?
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Oh hello!  1. Not to come exclusively to jfanet's defense (he can do that himself I'm confident), but I believe he's talking about your body of work since your return, not necessarily this thread specifically. In general I have been coming to the defense of a little more than a dozen posters you've managed to personally attack since you've been back. 2. We're not waiting with bated breath to read what you have to say. If you'd like to stop posting here it would not be a loss. It was kind of nice before you came back. 3. This is the final time I will address you publicly. I promised a poster who PM'd me that I'd stop giving you your medicine. Because reading comments like yours and comments like mine back to you is super lame. So as of right now I'm done! No more medicine for you!  Back to football for me. 
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I think Shurmur and his coaching really did Weeden a disservice.
I agree, Rat Shurmer was a joke. Without a question the least equipped head coach this team has ever had.
That guy was coaching for his job and threw Weeden under the bus. He had the guy afraid to play the game. That isn't coaching your guys up.
We gain 2-3 wins simply by not having that simpleton around.
That's awesome! Because we would have went 8-8 this year changing nothing. So gaining 2-3 wins makes us 10-6 or 11-5. Anything less means these guys aren't any better than the last regime you hate so much.
This offense BETTER surprise. It better score a LOT of points. because we're going to give up a lot of points....
You are the one adding 2-3 wins over not having Shurmer. I am thinking 9 wins is very attainable, but hey, if the guys start to feel their mojo....who knows?
It really isn't a matter of hating the regime. I hated what Homie did and what Shurmer did. Heckert did a decent enough job. Homie insisted on a 1980's offense that he was comfortable with and a coach who was his buddies son, not to mention he let Heck make the picks until he wanted somebody, which seemed to be pretty often.
No doubt this is goofy season where all we can do is talk about the team. We will see what happens once the games start to be played.
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I will try to refrain from calling Pat, Rat. I'll just call him Shurmer. Fair enough?
I'm on board with that...
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Bet this author won't be called a bozo
Of course he is a Bozo so you lost that bet 
But my biggest pet peeve regarding National Media Bozos is that they try to assess our Browns via Stats alone. Rarely will you get a speculative article written and on top of it Positive as well. What stands out to me regarding this article is he has actually looked at our Browns and their development their youth n the natural progression that can be expected.
Am I going to tear it down - heck NO. Am I going to use to say I told you so, I am Right in my speculations? No way...note anytime I state bozo on an article I back it with a Logical explanation why I feel it is so I just don't put it down via the term Bozo.
All I will say - is I've seen a systematic turnaround from the Talking Heads n Bozo's going with "ITS THE BROWNS they are a JOKE" to "HEY THIS COULD BE THE SURPRISE TEAM OF 2013".
Of course Weeden is a big key. Not that I think so but if Weeden does Bust - Campbell fits the system pretty well and he never had an OL like ours. His MO has been streaks...good ones n bad ones. But I believe in Leadership n we have two of the best for bringing along a QB. My expectations are high but don't wish to express it too much cause I'm at the CAN IT REALLY BE??? FINALLY! Stage n fear to get too excited
What I do see is a TEAM looking to be growing before our eyes. All working hard n on the same page. A kicker that nobody has even thought about. Little by little I'm reading here n there about the dynamics of Lewis our possible steal trade w/Eagles. This kid is very talented n up to NOW did NOT work hard. Hoping he was humbled to change that - so far it looks like he has Brought it ON. This can be the little thing that we will see on the field later that will gain momentum with the Bozos - you never know.
Like or not...Heckert regarding the personnel n youth build up along with the Cap for signing 2nd contracts n obtaining key FA. Has set this Regime up for success n I love the way they have progressed with it. I'm so excited I'm afraid to let it out! In the past I was not excited but Positive to believe in something. Now I'm giddy inside n almost afraid to be positive that I could possibly ruin it as it is COMING
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When you hear guys like Scott Pioli and the former Colts GM just drool over the Browns young roster, it makes you want to trust what you are seeing. This is a young talented team that is possibly ready to take a major step up. I felt it was that with Shurmur and I feel Chud is twice the coach he is.
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Chud will bring out the best in his roster. Pat just held them back. Heckert gets way to much blame instead of the credit he really deserves.
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when was the last time the Browns offense had a identity other than bland and boring?
Well,the Browns have enough perimeter weapons and a legit All Pro RB to light up a scoreboard. They have OC who actually knows how to gameplan.
Theres no Carthons,Dabolls reinventing stupid.
The o-line is good,but not great. But it can improve.
Its comes down to a couple things.
Can Weeden convert 3rd downs and can actually make plays in the red zone?
any QB can move the ball between the 20's.
Despite the Kool Aid, the Browns still have the 4th ranked offense in the AFC North.
My question is if Weeden wins the starting job, how many games will get to show if he has it not?
If Weeden struggles,I can see Campbell coming after 3 games.
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Just saw a thing on the NFL Network channel's news ticker that Plain Dealer is reporting there has been minimal reps for Jason in OTA's. So maybe Weeden is showing something to the staff?
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Just saw a thing on the NFL Network channel's news ticker that Plain Dealer is reporting there has been minimal reps for Jason in OTA's. So maybe Weeden is showing something to the staff?
Hey, Mary Kay: Has Jason Campbell been getting much work with the first team? -- Scott Bishop, Westlake
Hey, Scott: Campbell has been working primarily with the second-team offense behind Brandon Weeden and not getting many first-team reps. It appears the Browns are doing everything they can to get Weeden ready. Campbell might get some more time with the ones when July training camp opens, but for now they're working overtime to get Weeden up to speed. Besides, with nine years' experience, Campbell doesn't need as many reps.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/06/is_jason_campbell_getting_any.html
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There is little doubt in my mind that Weeden is going to get the call this season....at the least the first 8 games.
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They have to cram all the reps into weeden that they can. You want Weeden to be comfortable running this offense by the time they get into camp. When they finish up the OTA's and have their long break, I would hope Weeden has a pretty solid grasp of the scheme and of the playbook. It certainly wouldnt hurt Weeden to gather up his receivers during their time off and work on their chemistry and timing a bit
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I wouldn't mind seeing them do that as well. Practice makes perfect.
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I think this is pretty standard action on behalf of any quality leader at the QB position. Weeden needs all the help he can obtain, and maybe even our WR's do too a little.
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