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Pizza, Pop Tarts, pencils. All have resulted in kids being unceremoniously tossed from their schools when used in a menacing (read: gun-like) fashion. But this is different. The latest culprit is…an actual gun! Well, a Lego gun that’s approximately the size of a quarter. But a Palmer, Massachusetts six-year-old ruthlessly brought one onto a school bus and, as nydailynews.com tells it, the little urchin sparked a panic! “[The driver] said he caused quite a disturbance on the bus and that the children were traumatized.” Of course they were. And once the un-named tike finally got to school, the first grader was given detention and forced to write letters of apology to all those involved. Thankfully, the local SWAT team wasn’t called and no one was injured by the menacing weapon of war. Zero tolerance is so much easier than actually engaging the thought process and making a judgement call. Which no doubt suits principal Haley just fine.
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I'm speechless.
Please tell me that this is a series of excerpts from an Onion article.
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If children are traumatized by a fake gun the size of a quarter, then we are raising a generation of cowardly idiots.
Of course, many of the people teaching kids these days, and handling the administration of the education system ..... making the rules, and setting the criteria, are flat out morons.
This crap is more about an agenda than anything else. Get children thinking that every single gun is a bad thing from a very young age, and you control the agenda for the future.
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But a Palmer, Massachusetts six-year-old ruthlessly brought one onto a school bus and, as nydailynews.com tells it, the little urchin sparked a panic! “[The driver] said he caused quite a disturbance on the bus and that the children were traumatized.”
So, the child caused a disturbance on the school bus and was punished for it. Seems reasonable to me. What am I missing?
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I wonder who that principal voted for in the last election? 
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But a Palmer, Massachusetts six-year-old ruthlessly brought one onto a school bus and, as nydailynews.com tells it, the little urchin sparked a panic! “[The driver] said he caused quite a disturbance on the bus and that the children were traumatized.”
So, the child caused a disturbance on the school bus and was punished for it. Seems reasonable to me. What am I missing?
very clever in their wording in this article. they do not directly quote the bus driver, but put it in quotes because they are quoting nydailynews.com.
without knowing the specifics, I side with you. he was given detention for causing a ruckus on the bus. the fact it was with a toy gun just makes it give more internet clicks.
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Was the disturbance because of the Lego gun? Or was it because he told other kids something like "I brought a gun with me"? Knowing that is important.
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Clever, indeed. The writer's incredulity is palpable. Hardly an objective treatment of the event, but then objectivity and analysis is not the purpose judging by the website from which it originates. Something else that seems odd to me is this statement by YTown: Quote:
If children are traumatized by a fake gun the size of a quarter, then we are raising a generation of cowardly idiots.
Does this seem incongruous to anyone else? On the one hand, isn't a six year old child the epitome of a cowardly idiot? I mean, they're six. Of course they are going to be scared by trivial things, from an adult's perspective. But, this being the case, it seems harsh and objectively inaccurate to label six year old children cowards and idiots when fear and ignorance are part of their nature. Again, what am I missing here?
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When I was a kid, we all played with gun. Hell, we had tanks, and soldiers, and battlefields. We ran around playing cops and robbers, and Cowboys and Indians. We had fun. No one was traumatized. If we would have built a Lego gun, it was cool. We knew the difference between real and fake guns. hell, probably more than half the fun of playing with guns was getting "killed". No kid is happier than when he gets to really ham it up. heck, we used to manage to "die" on top of a small hill so we could have a more dramatic fall. lol Kids aren't going to dive under the seats of the bus because some child brought a quarter sized plastic gun onto the bus. . If anything, any "commotion" would be because kids wanted to see what he had. Sorry, but this country is turning into a country of wimps. We suspend little boys from school for being little boys. I would almost bet that if a little boy brought a doll onto the bus, and little girls gathered around, causing a commotion, he'd get a medal and a commendation. 
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Was the disturbance because of the Lego gun? Or was it because he told other kids something like "I brought a gun with me"? Knowing that is important.
That was my first question... did the kid pull out the toy and other kids began diving for the floor upon seeing it.... or did he tell them he had a gun without showing it to them until later...
That seems to be the single most important part of the article.
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So, the child caused a disturbance on the school bus and was punished for it. Seems reasonable to me. What am I missing?
Sometimes a disturbance is the fault of the person doing the action, like if this boy said he had a gun and led kids to believe it was real, then he deserves to be punished...
If he simply pulled out this toy and the other kids went nuts, then the problem is not with the boy, it is with the other kids...
It's like if a kid brings a nice sweet dessert to eat with his lunch and when he gets it out of his backpack the other kids at the table respond and make a big deal out of it and cause a ruckus at the table... is it the kids fault for bringing a sweet dessert or the other kids for not controlling themselves?
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Obviously many believe it's ok to cause a ruckus in school or on a school bus these day. They are clueless to what zero tolerance policies mean. Sounded like a fair and logical punishment to me so this kid and his classmates now understand what zero tolerance is. Kids used to be whipped and spanked for less in the same schools. It's the internet chatter as the conveyor of drama, trauma, and hysterics these days. 
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Obviously many believe it's ok to cause a ruckus in school or on a school bus these day.
The kid took out an inch and a half long piece of plastic Lego shaped like a gun... get a grip man, that can cause a ruckus? In reading the news story, one other kid yelled when he saw it... and THAT constitutes a ruckus... at least the other kid was made to apologize for being a wimp.
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Sounded like a fair and logical punishment to me so this kid and his classmates now understand what zero tolerance is.
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I don't know of a single kid that was ever spanked or suspended for bringing something like a piece of Lego to school, not even one shaped like a gun. When I was in school, the kid who brought it would have been asked to put it away and the kid who screamed when he got it out would have been labeled a wuss for a long long time.
I will have to hand it to the left though, their plan is working well in making kids deathly paranoid over the mention of the word "gun" or anything that may or may not even look like a gun... As this generation ages it will become much easier to get rid of that pesky second amendment.
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When I was a kid, we all played with gun
As did I. And I bet children today have just as much fun playing with guns and pretending to kill each other. Here's the difference. My childhood was blessedly free of an elementary school massacre in which children just like me were slaughtered by someone with a gun. Furthermore, under such circumstances, there would certainly be a difference between playing with toy guns when removed from the context of a school, and hearing that someone on a bus or in the school had a gun. The bus driver is wrong about one thing; the trauma happened months ago when children like those on this school bus were murdered by a person, on school property, with a gun. What happened on this bus is symptomatic of that trauma.
So far, no crucial details have been explained to make a judgment call on the type of thing DC is talking about, but consider the environment of a school bus -- a long enclosed structure with seats and students obstructing a clear view from back to front. One of the students says another student has a gun. The students in the immediate vicinity here this and repeat it so that the information gets passed along to students on the other end of the bus. Being children, no one attempts to verify the claim or get the details; most adults in similar situations also fail to do this, (which is why it is illegal to falsely claim that a fire has started in a crowded movie theater). So, these children, who have already been traumatized by a recent elementary school massacre, hear that someone has a gun on the bus, and you expect them to be rational, to stay calm, to not feel a sense of terror at the possibility that another massacre is imminent? If all you are relying upon to call these children cowardly idiots is your own personal childhood experience, you should consider again how an elementary school-aged YTown might react under these special circumstances. This isn't the world you grew up in.
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.. " then we are raising a generation of cowardly idiots. "
Why would this come as a surprise to you ? .. Really , it's a couple of generations !
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I wonder who that principal voted for in the last election?
What freakin difference does that make?
This was bound to happen no matter who was president.. You'd have to be a moron to think otherwise.. When school shootings occur as they have recently at Sandy Hook, there is always someone wanting to blame something or someone.
So it wouldn't have mattered in the least if McCain had been elected or Romney.. The outcry would have been exactly the same..
And anyone who is the president of the US has to come out against gun violence in schools. Some will go further than others in condemning it, some will blame guns, others will not, but in the end, the results will be exactly the same. Over reaction to everything.
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So far, no crucial details have been explained to make a judgment call on the type of thing DC is talking about,
The news article says that the boy took the toy out, another kid yelled and that was the end of it... if any more comes out of it, let me know.
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It also says that the child (who had the toy gun) is not being punished. Of course, the original article failed to mention that part.
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Man, what constitutes a ruckus? I am behind buses all during the school year and all I can see is kids jumping around, running up and down the isle and what appears to be yelling back and forth to other kids, etc.
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j/c How many more of these "victimized" kids stories is the NRA going to pump out? Imagine what it would be like if every actual gun death story was posted on here? 
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It also says that the child (who had the toy gun) is not being punished. Of course, the original article failed to mention that part.
the article above specifically says that he was given detention and forced to write apology letters.
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PALMER, Mass. (WGGB) – A kindergarten student that was supposed to get detention for bringing a Lego sized gun onto a school bus Friday morning is no longer being disciplined by the school for the incident.
That article is dated May 28th. The article in the original post is dated May 29th, which indicates that the author of the latter is either a bad reporter or being willfully deceptive.
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Man, what constitutes a ruckus? I am behind buses all during the school year and all I can see is kids jumping around, running up and down the isle and what appears to be yelling back and forth to other kids, etc.
We were outside of our warehouse a week or so ago when a bus full of kids drove by raising all kinds of havoc . We kept waiting for the driver to pull over and quell what had to be a riot taking place but one of the warehouse guys said it happens every day he is out on his break around that time of day.
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According to the "article" at the top of this thread and the video news segment, the bus driver claims there was a disturbance and children were "traumatized." YTown and others questioned how this could possibly be, and I explained how. So, are you supposing the bus driver is lying, or at least exaggerating the situation?
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I am, considering that the principal reviewed tape of the incident, decided that there was no issue, and rescinded the students' punishment.
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.. " then we are raising a generation of cowardly idiots. "
Why would this come as a surprise to you ? .. Really , it's a couple of generations !
I gotta tell ya ...... if kids today did some of the stuff we did as kids today, they might face the electric chair. Geesh.
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It also says that the child (who had the toy gun) is not being punished. Of course, the original article failed to mention that part.
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She is upset with how her son is being disciplined. She says he had to write an apology letter to the driver, has detention on Tuesday and could be temporarily suspended from the bus.
So I don't see where it says he's not being punished... all he has had to do so far is write a bunch of apology letters but his mom is stating that greater punishments are being considered...
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the bus driver claims there was a disturbance and children were "traumatized." YTown and others questioned how this could possibly be, and I explained how. So, are you supposing the bus driver is lying, or at least exaggerating the situation?
That is exactly what I'm supposing.. I won't accuse the bus driver of lying but extreme exaggeration... sure.
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That article is dated May 28th. The article in the original post is dated May 29th, which indicates that the author of the latter is either a bad reporter or being willfully deceptive.
ok, thanks. yeah, it's pretty apparent the author at the top of this thread was being deceptive just from how he quoted things. this example just makes it that much worse. and, a non-issue.
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Obviously many believe it's ok to cause a ruckus in school or on a school bus these day.
The kid took out an inch and a half long piece of plastic Lego shaped like a gun... get a grip man, that can cause a ruckus? In reading the news story, one other kid yelled when he saw it... and THAT constitutes a ruckus... at least the other kid was made to apologize for being a wimp.
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Sounded like a fair and logical punishment to me so this kid and his classmates now understand what zero tolerance is.
Wow, as I read that I just got this vision of you pounding on your podium as the crowd in front of you cheered....
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I don't know of a single kid that was ever spanked or suspended for bringing something like a piece of Lego to school, not even one shaped like a gun. When I was in school, the kid who brought it would have been asked to put it away and the kid who screamed when he got it out would have been labeled a wuss for a long long time.
I will have to hand it to the left though, their plan is working well in making kids deathly paranoid over the mention of the word "gun" or anything that may or may not even look like a gun... As this generation ages it will become much easier to get rid of that pesky second amendment.
It caused a ruckus on the bus is all I was saying. I never mentioned the lego gun. If I caused a ruckus of any kind on a school bus while going to school, I'd expect a punishment of some sort. Get over your right-ous self.  And thank you for proving my point that the internet chatter is the real villian spreading hysteria over a child slighty punished for causing issues like this on school property.
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If I caused a ruckus of any kind on a school bus while going to school, I'd expect a punishment of some sort.
From the description, it doesn't sound like much of a ruckus, it sounds like one kid yelled when he saw the toy... one kid yelling for a second on a school bus isn't a ruckus.... and I don't know how familiar you are with kindergarten age kids but everything is a drama to them. The most simple benign thing can get a reaction which could be considered a "ruckus"... Seeing a bunny in the yard out the window is enough to cause a ruckus among 5 and 6 year old kids.... the little girls are going to comment on how cute it is and a couple of the boys are going to pretend to shoot it just to get a reaction from the girls.... kids haven't really changed much in a long long time..
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Get over your right-ous self. Your hate for anyone even slightly left of your extreme right is ridiculas.
I've read your posts, if I'm self-righteous, I'm certainly not alone.. welcome to the club. I've also read some of your stuff about the right, so I don't even feel compelled to comment on that.... but painting anybody who disagrees with you as a hater is about as compelling an argument as claiming anybody from the center left is a communist... it doesn't fly.
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That is exactly what I'm supposing.. I won't accuse the bus driver of lying but extreme exaggeration... sure.
Now that I have read the article posted by Adam, I agree with you. The bus driver's information was unreliable. This changes nothing about why it is a good idea to discourage children from bringing toy guns to school, but in this particular case, obviously the punishment was unwarranted.
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Join your club?...nah. Actually I believe the republican party fueled by the TeaBaggers is becoming a hate group and religious cult. 
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You need to calm down. DC makes good arguments for his beliefs. People like you and Milcreek make it difficult to have productive, reasoned discussions. Next time you reply to a thread like this, try practicing some equanimity.
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If children are traumatized by a fake gun the size of a quarter, then we are raising a generation of cowardly idiots.
Of course, many of the people teaching kids these days, and handling the administration of the education system ..... making the rules, and setting the criteria, are flat out morons.
This crap is more about an agenda than anything else. Get children thinking that every single gun is a bad thing from a very young age, and you control the agenda for the future.
This is exactly what is going on. Teach children to fear anything that resembles a weapon and you've created a mentally deranged generation.
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So, the child caused a disturbance on the school bus and was punished for it. Seems reasonable to me. What am I missing?
Reality.
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I wonder who that principal voted for in the last election?
So is this a joke/gimmick thing? Or is this for real?
I assume you're coming from the other board - did you have some bizarre obsession with Obama over there?
Do you have posters of the guy on your wall?
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