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ESPN NFL analyst Eric Mangini is joining the San Francisco 49ers as an offensive consultant. In his role with the defending NFC champions, Mangini will work to find weaknesses in opposing defenses. The role is a bit of a shift for Mangini, who always has been known as a defensive coach from his time working under Bill Belichick in New England. He also has experience on the offensive side of the ball in his coaching career. Mangini has ties to 49ers general manager Trent Baalke, who was a personnel scout for the New York Jets in 1998-99 while Mangini was a defensive assistant. Mangini also has previously worked with current 49ers special teams coach Brad Seely. Mangini, who started his work for ESPN as a guest analyst during the 2010 playoffs, previously has served as a head coach with the Jets and Cleveland Browns. web page
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Sounds like a pretty decent fit for him... good for Eric.
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The offensive side of the ball part seems weird but it's no surprise he tried to get back into the NFL. I thought it would have been on the defensive side based on his track record. Maybe it's an olive branch from Harbaugh just so he can't back into the league in some fashion and move up the ranks from there....consultant seems like such a broad term these days in the NFL.
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Read what the poster said:
"In his role with the defending NFC champions, Mangini will work to find weaknesses in opposing defenses. ". He'll still be using his defensive background to use at his position.
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Thank you. I appreciate you pointing this out.
I've read a few articles on this so my post was just in response to the hire. The ESPN writer with no name can very well be right. That would make some sense.
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"In his role with the defending NFC champions, Mangini will work to find weaknesses in opposing defenses. ". He'll still be using his defensive background to use at his position.
Belichick was big on doing this when the Giants won the superbowl with him as DC.
He was the D coach but he helped the O a lot that year.
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Not sure about their current DC whether they like him or not, or think he may leave for a HC job, but maybe this is also setting Mangini up as a possible replacement.
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I think his browns contract ran out so he had to go to work again. lol
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"In his role with the defending NFC champions, Mangini will work to find weaknesses in opposing defenses. ". He'll still be using his defensive background to use at his position.
From NFL.COM...Link
"According to Rapoport, part of Mangini's role will be to help evaluate how teams plan to defend the 49ers."
Seems like he will be evaluating the "O".
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Good for him, I was in the, if we didnt get a big name we should have stuck with mangini camp,, as much as I questioned some of his early decisions, he had the team in the right direction.
The enter pat shurmur, yucky
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"According to Rapoport, part of Mangini's role will be to help evaluate how teams plan to defend the 49ers."
Seems like he will be evaluating the "O".
Seems like he is going to play D-Coordinator (on paper) for the other team and let the SF Offensive coordinator know how he would coach that teams players against SF.
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I hated it when we hired him. I bad-mouthed him quite a bit. eotab told me I would end up liking the guy and he was right. He won me over as a coach. Didn't care so much for him in the FO role.
It's too bad that H and H didn't want Mangini. With Heckert drafting and Mangini coaching, we could have been on to something.
It's all water under the bridge now.
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I think Mangini is the smartest head coach we've had since the return. He's one of the best X's and O's guy there is, but he just isn't a good fit for a HC in today's NFL. But he will eventually become a DC because he's so adept at picking apart the opposition.
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"According to Rapoport, part of Mangini's role will be to help evaluate how teams plan to defend the 49ers."
Seems like he will be evaluating the "O".
I guess I took it another way.. after reading that, I got the impression he was going to help the Offense exploit weaknesses he finds in the opposition D.
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The man set us back 5 years and the praise he gets blows my mind. Not once did i fault him for dumping Edwards and K2 but my goodness. He took 3 second rounders and a top 5 pick and ended up with a damn center to show for it.
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Good luck to his new post. And hope that he succeeds. Maybe make Kapernick a better QB for the 49ers.
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The Niners got a really bright guy to help them out. Mangini is a great coach as far as breaking down and opponent and finding weaknesses. I think he'll really help them out a lot.
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You could be correct, maybe I had taken it the wrong way.
This was also in the article...
" NFL.com's Ian Rapoport confirms that Eric Mangini has accepted an offensive consultant job with the San Francisco 49ers, according to a source informed of the move."
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Yep. 
This is probably a great place for him. His ceiling is a D coordinator.
While I hate how badly he dragged us down, he deserves a DC job in the NFL.
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The man set us back 5 years and the praise he gets blows my mind. Not once did i fault him for dumping Edwards and K2 but my goodness. He took 3 second rounders and a top 5 pick and ended up with a damn center to show for it.
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I found Eric Mangini to be a very pompous and ego crazed HC who took much delight in belittling his players.
Like the one poster said,he set the franchise back 5 years.
Anybody that gives Mangini praise really needs to reassess that stance.
He did nothing but make the Browns a laughing stock of the NFL.
He's a reason why the Browns are in the hole they are now.
His new role is reflective of the ineptness of Randy Lerner the owner.
How many Browns past coaches and GMs went on to resume those roles elsewhere in the NFL? None.
Butch Davis. Banished to the college ranks.
Phil Savage. Runs the Senior Bowl or whatever
Tom Heckert. Fetches coffee for Elway now.
Eric Mangini takes a role where he can offer a opinion. Some insight.
Thats the extent of it.
Notice he's not in a position to make dumb decisions like drafting CFL rejects like David Veikune or a WR with no heart like Brian Robiskie.
Whoopie he drafted Alex Mack. Last time I checked,a C is not the difference between a sub .500 team or playoff team.
Mangini had no business being NFL HC slash GM.
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The team that Mangini took over was a failed team, devoid of talent. We had 2 playmakers, and both were heavily flawed. Winslow was injured and breaking down. For Mangini to get a 2nd round pick for him was incredible. Edwards had one magical year in his 3rd season ..... then he tailed off badly. He went from 1289 yards and 16 TD in 2007, to 873 yards and 3 TD in 2008. He really only had one more year of consequence after that.
Where was the rest of the talent on that team? What play-makers were on the roster, on either side of the ball? Mangini "gutted" the team .... of the scrap left over from 2008 season. Like it or not, you cannot completely repair a broken roster in a single off-season .... and while Mangini definitely made mistakes in the draft, he also brought in veterans who knew his systems, and helped teach his system to younger players.
However, he then had a front office working against him, bringing in players that didn't fit ...... and his days were numbered, despite the team president supposedly supporting him.
Mangini wasn't perfect, but he was a far better coach then many give him credit for.
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Agreed.
Again, I didn't really like him in the FO role, but the guy could coach. You actually had to earn spots and he had the team playing hard. We just needed talent.
The real mistake Junior made was hiring Holmgren. There was no way that Mangini was going to survive under The Big Show. So, we wasted at least a year. It would have been nice have brought in a very good GM to help Mangini, and again, I think it would have been best not to have The Big Show around but somehow have it where Heckert and Mangini could co-exist. We would have been on to something.
But again..........it's all water under the bridge.
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SSorry, Potamus. I can't say I liked the man, but I respect the coach. Drafting aside, which is hardly his only duty, he did a lot to change the attitude and work of players. He carried a lot of water, dirty water, for the changes that needed to be made. He was dumb on the sidelines at times, but also competed better at times. Certainly an upgrade over Crennel's "gut", and Shurm was a step backward IMO. I do not think he is a HC; but he should be in a coord position, DC is best, and I wish him luck with his new gig. He was underqualified to be an analyst and reduced to a Dilfer-level. 
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The team that Mangini took over was a failed team, devoid of talent.
Ditto for Palmer, Davis, Crennel, Shurmur, etc.
Most new head coaching hires walk into similar situations. It doesn't serve as an excuse for failure.
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For Mangini to get a 2nd round pick for him was incredible.
I wouldn't call it incredible, but it was a trade with a lot of upside when it was pulled off.
It became a bad trade when he turned it into Massaquoi.
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Like it or not, you cannot completely repair a broken roster in a single off-season ....
No, but you can dig your hole even deeper.
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However, he then had a front office working against him, bringing in players that didn't fit ...
Like who?
The only person I can think of who remotely resembles that statement is Jayme Mitchell, who didn't play a down for Mangini, and was brought in when it was a foregone conclusion that EM was already history.
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Can you name one of those veterans who knew his systems that had a long-term positive impact for the team?
Bowens? Barton? Coleman?
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Mangini wasn't perfect, but he was a far better coach then many give him credit for.
I think if you were to take a comprehensive poll, the consensus would probably give Mangini the credit he deserves -
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Mangini seems to be a good coach although his results as a head coach were not so good.
As long as he is not involved with the draft he should be helpful. I wish him well.
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Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace, Colt McCoy.
Our offense was pathetic before The Big Show got here. They came in and invested heavily on the defense in year one. I was thinking......okay, there are a lot of holes to fill so they won't expect much from the offense this year. Well, Holmgren started his comments about the offense even when we were winning some games and I knew it was over.
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Horrible FO man, in-over-his-head HC, very talented coordinator.
I disagree that he was in over his head as a HC. In fact, I think he was getting guys to overachieve. He had the team playing well and then the writing was on the wall. He tore down the roster because it was so toxic. He coached two poor teams to 5 wins, which is the same number of wins that we had last year, w/our supposedly loaded roster.
I am not asking you to agree, but in my opinion, I think Mangini was an excellent football coach and only needed talent and time.
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Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace, Colt McCoy.
I don't really see how those three didn't fit the system.
I mean, if you want to argue that those QB's weren't very good, and that hindered Mangini, I can accept that argument.
But I don't see anything about those QB's and their skill sets that didn't fit the system.
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I disagree that he was in over his head as a HC. In fact, I think he was getting guys to overachieve. He had the team playing well and then the writing was on the wall. He tore down the roster because it was so toxic. He coached two poor teams to 5 wins, which is the same number of wins that we had last year, w/our supposedly loaded roster.
I am not asking you to agree, but in my opinion, I think Mangini was an excellent football coach and only needed talent and time.
We're going to have to disagree.
I don't understand the love for the guy. I really don't. I think people liked the idea of him.
There's this odd double standard with the guy ... when it comes to Heckert, you constantly point out the record during his tenure, and cite the fact that he wasn't immediately hired for a GM job as proof that he wasn't that great. (And I agree... he did some nice things, but Heckert is overrated). But Mangini gets the benefit of every doubt.
And 'excellent'? 
I could understand 'promising'. I'd disagree, but I could understand the logic. But 'excellent'?
Do you think he'll ever get another HC gig? I don't think so. And for good reason.
He's a very good coordinator. But that's his ceiling. He's a great example of the Peter Principle in action.
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I agree with Mourg...Mangini was terrible. He took our lousy team and made it even older and slower than before. Those first 12 games of his first year were the worst football I've ever watched; and that's really saying something considering what we've been through as Browns fans.
I'm glad for him that he's back in the NFL...and glad that he's not back with the Browns.
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There's this odd double standard with the guy ... when it comes to Heckert, you constantly point out the record during his tenure, and cite the fact that he wasn't immediately hired for a GM job as proof that he wasn't that great. (And I agree... he did some nice things, but Heckert is overrated). But Mangini gets the benefit of every doubt.
And 'excellent'?
I could understand 'promising'. I'd disagree, but I could understand the logic. But 'excellent'?
Do you think he'll ever get another HC gig? I don't think so. And for good reason.
He's a very good coordinator. But that's his ceiling. He's a great example of the Peter Principle in action.
PDR, I think it is interesting how you rate Mangini. Funny it took the Big Show three years to build what Mangini did in one. You bad mouth Mangini's front office skills, but you based it all on one year of work. You do recall Kokinis was hired as a GM and later fired. Yet you placed all the blame on Mangini as if he did the entire draft and signed FA.
I'm not saying he is the chosen. My gosh does anyone remember 2008? There was so much cancer in that locker room. Once it was understood Romeo was not returning, which I think was week 8, the entire team tanked. Mangini had nothing to build on his first year. Big Show bought time keeping Mangini his second year. It was a joke. As Vers pointed out it was a complete waste. It sucked Mangini and Heckert could not worked together.
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I don't really see how those three didn't fit the system.
I'm going to assume you did not have your cup of Joe yet! You truly want to stand by this statement? Perkins vs West Coast ring a bell?
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I give Mangini for getting us back to respectability. Opposing teams knew they played the Browns. It was a tough run oriented team. His GM duties was his desmise, but he left the new GM in WAY better shape then he received the team. Those 11 pick's Heckert threw around his first year were there for a reason, it was the vision of Mangini the previous two years. What cracks me up is some fans actually hink he liked slow older teams.
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Why would I not want to stand by my statement?
I assume you mean the Erhardt-Perkins/WCO hybrid that Haskell came along to help implement?
And, yes, all three of those quarterbacks fit that system just fine. They weren't any good, but that stems from other issues, not a square-peg-round-hole system mismatch.
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I don't really see how those three didn't fit the system.
I mean, if you want to argue that those QB's weren't very good, and that hindered Mangini, I can accept that argument.
But I don't see anything about those QB's and their skill sets that didn't fit the system.
IIRC, the QB Mangini coveted the most to run Daboll's juggernaut offense was none other than the immortal Kellen Clemens, Jets backup. Then, along came Holmgren who gave him Colt McCoy.
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Yeah, the defense is where we brought in most of the "old guys who couldn't play", and yet Mangini had the defense ranked 13th in points and 22nd in yards in 2010. If Mangini had stayed as head coach, the older guys would have been phased out over time, as happens with many teams who have experienced head coaches. These guys usually bring in players familiar with their system, especially if they have a complex offensive or defensive system. (and the Ryan/Mangini defense was a complex system)
What was the one thing that even the yapping heads at ESPN said about Browns games in 2010? They spoke of how any team playing us knew that they had been in a fight afterwards. Mangini teams did not generally beat themselves with stupid penalties, or stupid plays. Usually they just lacked ability at a key spot in the game. Constant turnover at the QB spot because of injury was another factor. McCoy's inexperience late in the year against Pittsburgh and Baltimore, when he threw 1 TD and 6 INT combined did not help. (of course, by then the whole team knew that Mangini was gone, and essentially appeared to give up when here we go again, again, again syrdrome set in)
It would have been really interesting to see how Mangini would have done with a real GM who was tuned in to what he wanted on the team, and worked to find those players. I bet we would have won more than 6 games by now.
I hope that Chud gets 5 years no matter what just so we can see a real and honest attempt to build the damn team. Finally. I hate it when we blow things up every couple of years and start over again. I agreed with dumping Shurmur ...... but sooner or later we need to stick with a guy and let him develop as the head coach, and develop the players who will help the team win.
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Mangini is a good coach. It's not surprising that an organization like San Fran found a role for him. THey are once again becoming one of the Elite organizations on the league.
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Why would I not want to stand by my statement?
I assume you mean the Erhardt-Perkins/WCO hybrid that Haskell came along to help implement?
And, yes, all three of those quarterbacks fit that system just fine. They weren't any good, but that stems from other issues, not a square-peg-round-hole system mismatch.
You may want to do a little research on the difference between Erhardt-Perkins/WCO. One system is built around the running game the other short passes. It as similar as oil and water both being liquid. Basically you are stating Delomne, Wallace, and McCoy have similar style to Tom Brady. I'm talking skill set not talent.
I'll bring up another point regarding Big Show not helping Mangini. In order for the Mangini/Ryan's 3-4 to be effective, it is a must getting a pass rusher more so than a defensive back. Who did Heckert draft first his first year? I am not saying Haden was not a good choice. If you are looking to build a reliable 3-4, pass rusher is more a key than DB. With that said, how many pass rushers were drafted? Who did Heckert bring in to fill that role? Mitchell?
There was no "hybrid" in Shurmur/Holmgren's WCO offense last year. Browns ran Holmgren's WCO from the 80's. I really don't want to look it up, but there were many references defining Browns offense as outdated and predictable. Funny "predictable" was the exact words used to described Holmgren's offense he last days in Seattle.
I'll almost bet Shurmur is delighted he is working with Kelly and not Holmgren. Shurmur ran an effective offense in St. Louis. Bradford's best season was his rookie year under Shurmur. St. Louis had absolutely nothing except Steven Jackson for offensive weapons too.
I bet Heckert/Shurmur/Childress are thankful. You have to wonder why Childress didn't take the OC job the first year. I also think many of Heckert's decisions were alter by Holmgren. You do recall Heckert's health issues his second year. You have to wonder if it was the stress doing something you're not comfortable. Oh well, it is all conspiracy thinking and water under the bridge.
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Yeah, the defense is where we brought in most of the "old guys who couldn't play", and yet Mangini had the defense ranked 13th in points and 22nd in yards in 2010.
Once again, you rely far too much on statistics to paint an incomplete picture.
Take a look at the box scores from those games.
Most of the 2010 year, teams got themselves a small lead and then just ran the ball. They didn't need to put up big points.
And since when is being 22nd in yards allowed a good thing?
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What was Mangini's record his first year? Big Show and his groups record last two? Big Show's first year was wasted, but if you insist, you can count Browns wins that year too.
So you would take the final 2009 roster over the final 2012 roster?
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You may want to do a little research on the difference between Erhardt-Perkins/WCO.
You may want to do a little research on what kind of offense we were implementing.
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Now, Browns Executive Mike Holmgren has brought in Senior Advisor to the President Gil Haskell to teach Daboll, who couldn't successfully implement his own offense, how to combine the West Coast with the Erhardt-Perkins.
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