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Barkevious Mingo: Browns could be NFL's top defense By Dan Hanzus Around the League Writer Published: June 18, 2013 at 08:50 p.m. Updated: June 18, 2013 at 09:35 p.m. Outside the occasional storm cloud, the Cleveland Browns remain a team with reason for hope in 2013. Part of that goes back to a defense that imported some legitimate talent in Paul Kruger, Desmond Bryant and Barkevious Mingo, the No. 6 overall pick in April's draft. Mingo has yet to play a snap in the NFL, but he envisions big things for the Browns. "If everything is going well, I think this defense could be the best in the league," Mingo said Tuesday, according to The Plain Dealer. "We have a lot of players that can contribute and help this team win. We've got a lot of rushers," Mingo added. "We've got corners on the back end. We've got D-linemen that can hold those blocks and get off and make plays. We've got linebackers that can come up and tackle the run and get back in coverage as well. So we have a lot of tools that we can use." Defensive coordinator Ray Horton has likened the offseason additions on defense to winning the Powerball lottery. The outlook certainly is positive in Berea, Ohio -- we'll see if hype leads to results. Link
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Huh. He's smart enough to list the other position groups on defense. Maybe we could be number one...
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I hope like hell that he's right.
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This is the easy part where we and everybody in NFL are perfect records, so talk already. Backing it up in a few months is tougher. Less jawbone, win a bunch, save your talking for the field. I pray Mingo is right, but until he is, I am wait and see. But I do hope he is right. 
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They do have the potential to be a top defense but it is going to take some time for this defense to fully comprehend what Horton is asking them to do. Kruger having the olb experience will help. Having what should be a superstar defensive line will speed things up considerably. Just the depth on the line is insane.
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Freakin' better be! That's all I can say. 
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Can't buy into a rookie's words too much. Heck these days you can't even buy into a veteran's words.
As other stated, less talk more action/proof please.
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Totally agree. What is he basing this off of? Isn't this the first NFL offseason he's experienced first hand?
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Maybe he is just excited. Can't we take the tone of the article and his comments simply exuding his pure excitement for his NFL opportunity and respect of teammates than a testament for knowing how the team will play?
I'm encouraged by his confidence and hope it progresses to results on the field.
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I don't think anyone is mad he is saying the defense could be top quality/showing the confidence, I think people are just tired of the all-talk/no-action ordeal that we get year after year.
I mean, how many people loved when Holmgren threw his stupid "don't come to me for playoff ticket" line, which ended up being a joke. I'm surely not speaking for everyone, but us Brown's fans are sick of media and team rhetoric. Show us, then tell us how good we are. =]
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I love the confidence, but like almost all have said, show me!
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Quite frankly, I think that he has reason to be excited.
I think that this defense will be much, much faster than last year's defense. The pass rush could be downright deadly. We were 14th in sacks last year with 38. The teams that led the league in sacks were the Broncos and Rams, tied with 52 each. Given the improved front 7 with the improved pass rushers available for Horton to use, and Horton's desire to rush the QB at every opportunity, I think that we can get to that 50 sack range next year.
I think that opposing QBs are going to learn to hate playing us, starting as early as next year.
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There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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We were 14th in sacks last year with 38. The teams that led the league in sacks were the Broncos and Rams, tied with 52 each. Given the improved front 7 with the improved pass rushers available for Horton to use, and Horton's desire to rush the QB at every opportunity, I think that we can get to that 50 sack range next year.
I think that opposing QBs are going to learn to hate playing us, starting as early as next year.
There's also the old saying...."You live by the blitz and you die by the blitz."
Many plays on O are designed especially for neutralizing the blitz and making you pay for blitzing.
I think we must remember that two of our division rivals, Steelers and Ravens run similar D's and in all likelihood would have an understanding how to offset our D.
A goal of leading the league in sacks and pressures is a great one to have, yet we also need to consider how many times we may get burned when we blitz.
Our secondary is weak to put it mildly. And while many don't seem to be concerned about this, it could go a very long way making us pay for having a strong front seven.
And that's Assuming many of our players make the transition from the 4-3 to the 3-4 smoothly. That in and of itself is a big leap in faith.
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Guys like Kosar made a living out of reading a blitz and beating it. I'm not sure there are that many cerebral QB's in the league today,, but the ones that are, will find a way to beat the Blitz,.
I'm not sure you are correct on the secondary being weak. Haden isn't weak, neither is TJ Ward. but the rest of it isn't so much weak as it is unproven. But I feel you on it.
they could be boom or bust in short order.
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Many plays on O are designed especially for neutralizing the blitz and making you pay for blitzing.
That is a foreign concept here.
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Many plays on O are designed especially for neutralizing the blitz and making you pay for blitzing.
That is a foreign concept here.
I know. 
Often times it seems that facts get in the way of enthusiasm.
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No doubt. Kosar still calls the defense every time when he does the preseason commentating. Not sure why he hasn't been granted like a QB coach or QB advisory role on the team?
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No doubt. Kosar still calls the defense every time when he does the preseason commentating. Not sure why he hasn't been granted like a QB coach or QB advisory role on the team?
I don't want to knock Bernie, but I, along with most semi-knowledgeable football fans, can call most of the defenses and blitzes in preseason games. Most teams do very generic, very vanilla stuff so as not to tip their hand when the regular season starts.
Bernie was excellent at deciphering complex defenses on the move, in real games. That was far more impressive than his work on TV to me.
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No doubt. Kosar still calls the defense every time when he does the preseason commentating. Not sure why he hasn't been granted like a QB coach or QB advisory role on the team?
I don't want to knock Bernie, but I, along with most semi-knowledgeable football fans, can call most of the defenses and blitzes in preseason games. Most teams do very generic, very vanilla stuff so as not to tip their hand when the regular season starts.
Bernie was excellent at deciphering complex defenses on the move, in real games. That was far more impressive than his work on TV to me.
Which by the way, was what I was referring to.. I was speaking of what he did ON the field.
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To me if I am running an offense I would LOVE having bernie up in the booth and telling me what they are sending so i could let the qb know. I will wager he is at least 90% accurate.
I'd have him hammering in to our QB's how it identify those defenses from the field and in their ears all day long.
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Yep, but my reply was a reply to the one I quoted.  However, I would add that not everyone who can do something can successfully teach it.
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What a bunch of crap...our defense has one good CB,and we are going to be near the top? Until we draft for the secondary,we will continue to get burned back there.
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If the front is applying pressure, it will loosen the pressure put on the secondary to cover.
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What a bunch of crap...our defense has one good CB,and we are going to be near the top? Until we draft for the secondary,we will continue to get burned back there.
Outside of Haden and Ward, our secondary is unproven, but that doesn't automatically make it bad.
As for drafting for the secondary, apparently (and I don't totally disagree given their stated plans) they felt getting Dline and LB help was the important thing to do this year..
I'm sure they'll address the secondary next year if needed.
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"If everything is going well, I think this defense could be the best in the league,"
Of course that must be based on his VAST WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE OF NFL FOOTBALL.... 
Falls under - Grain of Salt.
JMHO we all hope so of course I know I personally just love an attack O but lets just say it will be so much better 2-3 years down the road!
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Ehh, it's the NFL.
It's more important that they learn how to work together and play together than it is to look around and admire how great everybody is.
( When I say, Ehh it's the NFL, I mean. Yeah so what they're talented, but this it the NFL where every team is full of professional superstars and throughout its history, no matter how talented the group, everybody has to overcome adversity to win.) If they are going to overcome the adversity that the other 11 players wearing an opponents uniform are going to throw at them, they are going to have to learn how to work together and play together. As One Unit!!!
And how to make things happen, game changing plays.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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If the front is applying pressure, it will loosen the pressure put on the secondary to cover.
You know, I hear this all of the time. The problem is, NO DEFENSE applies pressure ALL of the time.
Both Pittsburg and Baltimore run an attack D. You don't believe they have plays to prevent attacking D's from working efficiently? There are many plays designed to do just that.
I do believe our D will get better. I do like the talent acquired in the FA market. But along with running multiple fronts goes a learning curve. It's not a basic D to learn. We also have players learning positions they have never played before.
I do believe we will get better but to suggest you can have well below average players as your #2 CB and a S while learning an entire new scheme on D I believe is unrealistic at best.
Are we moving in the direction of having a great D? Yes I believe we are at this juncture. But to expect it right away given the personnel in our secondary is not something I believe is in any way realistic.
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Look at what the Browns FO did in this off season to the defense, They changed to a 3-4 style defense and added the OLBs to to apply the pressure. They added a DE which in turn created greater depth across the entire DL.
If they decide to address the defensive backfield like the did the front seven next off season this D will be solid all around.
On offense I really don't think we are as far away from having a competitive offense as many want us to believe. We have the RBs, we have what looks like a solid core of WR, we have a solid OL, so its all going to be on Weeden as to how far this offense can go. If Weeden proves to be the guy, then the offense is set and if Weeden fails then the search is on for the franchise QB.
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This defense has the POTENTIAL to be very good.
It's going to come down to how long it takes the players to FULLY grasp the new system and effectively execute on the field.
As some have mentioned earlier....our secondary is going to be our "make or break" factor this season. Haden is not a concern of mine, it's whoever ends up playing opposite of him that I will be focusing on.
D-line SHOULD be very good. It could take some time for them to "gel", but they have the players to be dominant.
Myself...this year will probably be the "learning curve". I look for our D to be in the top 10 this season....next season....DOMINANT!!
GO BROWNS!!! Bring the BITE back to this Defense!!!
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I think for the most part that Mingo is surrounded by more talent than he has ever been associated with and it's gone to his head thinking we can be the top defense.
But to agree with you, we do have the potential to be very good in a couple years.
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I think for the most part that Mingo is surrounded by more talent than he has ever been associated with and it's gone to his head thinking we can be the top defense.
But to agree with you, we do have the potential to be very good in a couple years.
IMO we have the potential to be good good immediately. But it isn't going to be because a rookie, switching positions and going from college to NFL says so. We may be shocked how good this defense is, or we can expect at least a mediocre one.
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