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Clem, DC will chime in on this quite soon. Counting down 3, 2, 1......
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The Dad figure stopped being portrayed in the "Ozzie & Harriet" Steven Douglas or "Father Knows Best" mold, and instead began being portrayed as the stupidest member of the family..
I've commented on this before and completely agree. What's even worse is if you get away from the big channels and go to Disney or Nickelodean... most of those kids are downright belligerent to their parents (usually both but especially the dad, if there is one) and this is what kids are watching. After watching it for a while I cut back greatly on what my daughter gets to watch because she was starting to act like these pompous little smart-arse brats that never suffer any consequences. If Opie Taylor had ever talked to Andy that way, they would have had to go to commercial while he got his arse whooped...
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I'm younger than you but my recollection of the first "dumb dude" was Archie Bunker in "All In The Family". And as to the arc of the father from strong patriarch to jackass, I think the culture seachange that was the late 60s - mid 70s has the most to do with it. At the forefront was the role of the media. It went from reporting facts and providing useful commentary to becoming a societal functionary of giving voice to the powerless against the powerful. This culminated in Watergate and became the standard to which journalism was taught in Universities (my wife was a Journalism major). This lent to the promotion of all things weak to the detriment of all things strong. I can tell I'm starting to blather so I'll just stop there. 
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I've commented on this before and completely agree.
Which is why I knew you'd be all over that.  With that, I will say what I've said about this in the past also. Prior to the men being buffoons on television, women were portrayed as air-headed bimbos. The guys complaining about how men are now portrayed didn't appear to have a bit of a problem with that, just as a lot of women don't seem to notice men or fathers playing the fool now. It's all about perspective, my friends.
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For me, the most egregious portrayals were Ethel & Lucy.
I didn't laugh at them when I was a kid. I never found any humor in the Chrissy character from 3's Company, either. Friends, I only watched 3 or 4 times, and didn't really chuckle at the Lisa Kudrow character.
Making fun of "bimbos" just never appealed to me, for some reason. I mean, I 'got' the joke- I just didn't find it funny.
I did find the clip at the top of this thread humorous, but not because the gal was a 'bimbo,' per se..... more, I found the writing to be clever, in a stereotypical sort of way. It trades on that old Mars/Venus cliche to pretty good effect.
But yeah Jules... I remember sitting in the TV lounge at school (damn, how old does THAT make me sound?), watching all these people howling at Susanne Sommers' character and wondering to myself: "this is what you find funny?"
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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imho, there is an equivalence here, and it's seen on TV every day. About 15 years ago, I noticed a trend- in sitcoms, commercials... pretty much everywhere. The Dad figure stopped being portrayed in the "Ozzie & Harriet" Steven Douglas or "Father Knows Best" mold, and instead began being portrayed as the stupidest member of the family..
He's either some hapless buffoon, clueless dolt or brain-dead ATM for a surly, cynical family that has absolutely no respect for him. Even the family dog occupies a higher rung on the family totem pole. After I started taking notice of this phenomenon, it seemed to explode.
For my money, it began with "Married: With Children," and other shows began copying the formula. The main difference was this: even though Al Bundy was often the butt of the joke, he was still an 'everyman' whom you could root for. A 'lovable loser, so to speak. In the copycat shows, the father role was dumbed-down to the point of not being worthy of even the audience's respect. That single, subtle difference is why I enjoyed "M:WC" and not the others.
All misogyny taken into account, there's plenty of precedent for the "Dumb Dude" archetype, too.
Just thought I'd toss that in, since it hadn't been previously mentioned in this thread (as far as I can recall).
The main reason for this change in gender roles is because the buying power in the home shifted to women. In the 50's men held the jobs and the pursestrings, but the women gradually took over the buying of household items. I work for a TV station in the news department, and the key demo we are after is women 18-35. They have the buying power. Now with they buying power, the TV show producers needed to portray women in a better light, so the role of the fool had to be giving to someone, and why not the Dad. He's an easy target, and since he doesn't watch as much sitcoms as women, they didn't have to worry about offending him.
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Whoa, whoa! You guys are critiquing messages in sitcoms now? Classic over-thinking. 
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You started it. 
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jc Don't you men know....women complain because they like to complain, not because they want you to "fix it" 
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I laughed my ass off at a lot of Lucy's antics. She was one hell of a comedienne. Great physical comedy, and exceptional timing.
Chrissy was the girl who really seemed to act dumb all the time, but would occasionally pull out a gem of wisdom that would just shock the heck out of everyone around her. She was a stereotypical character, just like Janet was, (the smart girl) Jack, (the hound) and so on. All of those characters were pushed to the extreme, but in the end, they were all good hearted.
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Actually, if you read one of posts above that's pretty much what I was saying.  Women need to vent. Men need to be ok with that. Men need to fix things. Women need to be ok with that. Women are emotional creatures. It's not their fault. Nor is it a fault. It's what attracts men to women. (I mean besides the visuals  ).
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I laughed my ass off at a lot of Lucy's antics. She was one hell of a comedienne.
I LMAO at Lucille too- but in her appearances on talk shows, when I saw them as a teenager/young man.
She was smart, sassy... and always had a very finely-honed 'edge'. Girl could cut, yo. Oddly enough, it was Lucille herself who made me a fan- not the characters she portrayed on the screen.
Personally, I just never got into the Lucy Ricardo Character. And it's not because of the 'Lucy' character itself- moreso, it's that the entire genre of Slapstick just never reached me on a "laugh out loud" level. Millions did love it- and that's cool- Every Thing's not for Everyone.
For me, some of Lucille's best on-screen moments happened during her many Tonight Show interviews with Johnny Carson. I never missed them, when I knew they were coming up that week. Not just a professional comedic powerhouse, she was a genuinely funny person at the core.... and her off-the-cuff remarks during those interviews were evidence of an exquisitely sharp mind that ran 20% faster than the rest of us.
I have always been a huge fan of Lucille Ball. I was never a fan of 'Lucy.'
Just wanted to make that distinction.....
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Funny video. Unfortunately for us guys this is how most women REALLY think, especially if it's pertaining to themselves.
With women, it's all on how you make them feel - and screw the facts. (They should have taught me that in 1st grade!)
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The main reason for this change in gender roles is because the buying power in the home shifted to women. In the 50's men held the jobs and the pursestrings, but the women gradually took over the buying of household items. I work for a TV station in the news department, and the key demo we are after is women 18-35. They have the buying power. Now with they buying power, the TV show producers needed to portray women in a better light, so the role of the fool had to be giving to someone, and why not the Dad. He's an easy target, and since he doesn't watch as much sitcoms as women, they didn't have to worry about offending him.
That actually makes sense....
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With women, it's all on how you make them feel - and screw the facts. (They should have taught me that in 1st grade!)
Generalizations will get you nowhere.
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With women, it's all on how you make them feel - and screw the facts. (They should have taught me that in 1st grade!)
Generalizations will get you nowhere.
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With women, it's all on how you make them feel - and screw the facts. (They should have taught me that in 1st grade!)
Generalizations will get you nowhere.
Why do women always say that?
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It's part of our Women's agreement.
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It's part of our Women agreement.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh! You're not supposed to tell them THAT!
First rule of the Women's Agreement, don't talk about the Women's Agreement!
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I have no idea what you're talking about...what agreement??
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Uh huh. Sure.
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