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Can we draft Hakeem?
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Grant just went with who he thought was the most talented. When you're drafting first you have to go for broke, and not look at a need. It may blow up in his face, but it was the right thing to do if you ask me.
I hope Grant comes out looking like a genius and I do an idiot, believe me.
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Cavs trade 31 for 2 future 2nd round picks.
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Grant just went with who he thought was the most talented. When you're drafting first you have to go for broke, and not look at a need. It may blow up in his face, but it was the right thing to do if you ask me.
I hope Grant comes out looking like a genius and I do an idiot, believe me.
This draft was so damn hard to pick, because there is no clear cut top tier player, or even top tier of players. I'm happy with the draft so far.
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So Crabbe not coming here?
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So Crabbe not coming here?
Nope.
We take Felix with the 33rd pick.
Big Guard. Big defender.
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Well poop. I'm outta here. Have a good night!
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yea mike brown loves the big guards that could defend. might see this guy start in the d-league.
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A 6'6 athletic guy that can defend, could be a role player.
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A 6'6 athletic guy that can defend, could be a role player.
Definitely a team need. He can also move without the ball .... which we definitely need with Irving and Waiters on the floor.
I would have liked to keep Crabbe, but how many rookies can we add to the team in a single season? As stated by someone else, Felix may hit the D league for at least part of the year.
He is super athletic, but played only 1 year at Arizona. He played some Junior College from what I have read.
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When I look at our roster it's hard for me to understand what type of team the Cavs are. It's just a bunch of random parts thrown together.
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I think that our starting 5 could well wind up being (barring a trade for a veteran)
PG: Irving
SG: Waiters
C: Thompson
PF: Bennett
SF: Karasev
That's a starting 5 that should be able to play with just about anyone. Thompson showed that he can handle playing Center. He also needs a PF or C (depending on which he plays) who can play away from the basket, and Bennett can do that. The Cavaliers now have 4 guys in their starting 5 who can hit a mid range to outside shot. They have 4 guys who can drive the basket, plus Thompson.
That lineup would allow us to use Varejao in a backup role, and limit his minutes. Gee could be used as a backup/defensive substitute. Zeller moves into a backup role as well.
I think that this team will be a quick, attacking team on offense. I think that they will be a decent defensive team, just because that's what Mike Brown does.
I think that this team will compete for a playoff spot .... because they have enough talent to do so even with their youth.
Plus, Cleveland could have another 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders next year as well. Sacramento grabbed McLemore, and if he can push them into playoff contention, or at least out of the top 12, then the Cavaliers will receive their 1st rounder. Next year's draft looks stacked. I am not sure what year's 2nd rounders we get from Portland too. Tons of assets, and lots of young talent. If I'm a veteran looking to be a leader of a young, talented team, and turn them into a champion, this is a team I definitely look at. Plus, Grant has so much ammo to make a trade for a veteran that it's ridiculous. We can take a vet without having to offset contracts. We can use players or draft picks as incentive. I love what he has done rebuilding the team.
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Bill Simmons is such a fool. Why would we want Thomas Robinson? we just took bennett, don't need another one.
The Cavs have been rumored to be in on Robinson all week.
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Tristan is gonna need 10-15 LBs of muscle if he's gonna play center full time.
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Tristan is gonna need 10-15 LBs of muscle if he's gonna play center full time.
And I think that he can do that without losing anything.
I also think that Tristan can be a 15/15 guy as well, at PF or C.
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A 6'6 athletic guy that can defend, could be a role player.
i get it but he's not any bigger than Franklin. he's older and he's less polished on offense. i just want to understand the decision (yeah, Carvick can be a good defender and we needed one. that part I get)
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He is a super athletic kid. I think that played into it.
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I think that our starting 5 could well wind up being (barring a trade for a veteran)
PG: Irving
SG: Waiters
C: Thompson
PF: Bennett
SF: Karasev
Andy would start at the 5 provided he's healthy.
PG: Irving
SG: Kerasev
C: Varejao
PF: Thompson
SF: Bennett
6th man: Waiters
I'm curious as to how they'll round out the bench. Speights is likely gone with his player option. Ellington and Casspi have team options. They should consider picking up Ellington's. That'd give us a bench of Waiters, Ellington, Gee, Zeller, Miles and Kevin Jones. Not a terrible second string, really.
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I don't know if Andy will start now or not. He's been fragile. He could absolutely destroy teams coming off the bench. I was reading some of the other sites about the draft ...... and thought this was interesting: http://nba.si.com/2013/06/26/nba-draft-2013-team-needs/2/Cleveland Cavaliers | First-round picks: No. 1, No. 19 Needs: An NBA-caliber small forward, a defense-first off-guard, a durable big man Cleveland was bad on both sides of the ball last season, but their No. 27 ranked defense is where the roster-building must start. When healthy, franchise point guard Kyrie Irving has the potential to carry the Cavaliers to excellent offensive heights thanks to his excellent shooting numbers and solid playmaking abilities. An abundance of cap space and tradable assets should make this the summer that Irving gets some legitimate help. The long-term improvement on defense starts by adding talent and length inside. As noted earlier this week, exercising patience and selecting Nerlens Noel No. 1 overall should be the preferred strategy, even if it’s a difficult one to sell to an ownership focused on a 2014 postseason trip. Meanwhile, even Dion Waiters’ biggest proponents wouldn’t claim that he will evolve into a plus-defender any time soon. Will the three-and-defense 2-guard that they need be available at No. 19? Maybe. Bullock and Jamaal Franklin seem like options, but the Cavaliers will surely need to address the 3 at some point. There is a solid argument to be made that the Cavaliers addressed each and every one of those. NBA caliber small forward: Check. Sergey Karasev looks like a real steal at 19, especially in a draft in which SF wasn't a particularly deep position. Defense first off-guard: Check. Carrick Felix is a strong defensive Guard, and an athletic kid. Durable big man: Check. I am not concerned about his shoulder, because that should be back to 100% in no time. He is a kid who can shoot from mid range, and can actually shoot out to 3 point range. He has never been a defensive wiz, but he will learn that under Mike Brown. 3 big needs, and 3 solutions that seem to fit.
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Eh, I've harped on his durability as much as anybody, and I still think that he'll start unless he's unable to. I actually agree that he would be way better coming off the bench, but I don't know that I'd want to start Thompson at the 5 regularly. That's an awfully small lineup to be going with night in and night out...6'9" C, 6'7" PF, 6'7" SF, 6'4" SG and 6'2" PG.
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Since when is a 6'7 tweener a 'durable big man'?
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Since optimism took a beer bottle and busted reality in the head.  Heard Legs on ESPN- pretty sure he simply mispoke- say he's not afraid to hit people in the paint and could play some 3 (SF) for a smaller lineup. I'm starting to warm up to him because of the occasional small-ball we could play. Kyrie/Waiters/Karasev/Bennett/Thompson is a rotation that could spaces the floor with shooting and has some good explosion to it. More-over I like the move if A.) Above all he pans out or B.) Their plan is to keep addressing a position group at a time. We went back to back in drafts with TT/Zeller to go with Andy. This draft I'm hoping is us saying, "SF is taken care of (Bennett and Karasev)." Could we make a move for a guy like Pekovic and maybe find a legit 2 guard? How many games does a lineup like that win I wonder.
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We were ready to go with Noel at Center, and he's 6'10". Thompson is 6'9".and has a 7'2" or so wingspan. I think that he can be a highly effective Center. He's developed into an effective post player, and has even learned some offensive moves in his time here.
He might be undersized against a few teams, but we can work in Varejao and Zeller to take up the slack as needed. Besides, we could start out with Tristan at Center, and we could finish certain games with Varejao at C, and Thompson or Bennett at PF, depending on the size of the opposing lineup.
I like the versatility having him capable of playing Center allows us. It give us a fast lineup, and also allows us to use Varejao in a role that can protect him to an extent.
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With that lineup, we wouldn't have a single American-born starter.
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Since when is a 6'7 tweener a 'durable big man'?
He's 6'8" and 240#, according to the draft sites. He has an NBA body already. Plus, he has a 7'1" wingspan, which is 1 inch less than Tristan Thompson,
He is a bit of a tweener, but he has rare explosiveness, and he can shoot everywhere out to 3 point range. He's also a strong finisher at the rim, and can rebound. His biggest question is defense ... because they just don't play defense at UNLV. I think that Brown will get the best out of him though.
I'm certainly not going to bet against Chris Grant. He has earned the right to make his picks, with the expectation that they will be players. There was no clear cut #1, and talk of Noel and Len each worried me. Noel doesn't even come close to having an NBA body he is scrawny. Len has feet problems. There was no perfect #1 pick, so I am more than happy to go with the guy Grant likes best. He has proven to be extremely capable so far.
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Since when is a 6'7 tweener a 'durable big man'?
He's 6'8" and 240#, according to the draft sites. He has an NBA body already. Plus, he has a 7'1" wingspan, which is 1 inch less than Tristan Thompson,
He is a bit of a tweener, but he has rare explosiveness, and he can shoot everywhere out to 3 point range. He's also a strong finisher at the rim, and can rebound. His biggest question is defense ... because they just don't play defense at UNLV. I think that Brown will get the best out of him though.
I'm certainly not going to bet against Chris Grant. He has earned the right to make his picks, with the expectation that they will be players. There was no clear cut #1, and talk of Noel and Len each worried me. Noel doesn't even come close to having an NBA body he is scrawny. Len has feet problems. There was no perfect #1 pick, so I am more than happy to go with the guy Grant likes best. He has proven to be extremely capable so far.
He's 6'7 in shoes. I'm not complaining about the pick, but he certainly isn't a big man.
The list of needs cited in that SI write-up were: An NBA-caliber small forward, a defense-first off-guard, a durable big man
I don't see how one could think we found three solutions there. We'll be lucky to get one.
Bennett should be a good stretch 4, and the small ball lineup with Thompson will be good in small doses, but it should not be your starting frontcourt.
Hopefully Bennett can play the 3 in this league.
We're still a lottery team after tonight, but that should've been expected. With a good FA signing, we could contend for a lower seed, but I hope we don't waste our space on an aging vet to make a run at the 8 seed. We're not there yet.
Fun fact - Thompson and Bennett are both from Brampton, Ontario and both went to Findlay Prep in Vegas, which isn't a real school. It's a basketball factory where the team lives in the same house.
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Well, we'll see how it works out ..... but I think that Bennett will play PF. I think that Karasev will play SF for us.(and could well start the season there)
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If Karasev is our starting SF, it's going to be a long season, and we'll likely have a shot at the #1 pick again.
Does he plan to come over right away? From what I've seen he could benefit from another year overseas.
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Every single article I have read says that he is NBA ready right this minute. I haven't seen anything that even suggests that he won't be in the NBA this year, and probably the starter at SF.
He went back overseas to compete in his championship game over there. He played in Russia's highest league . He was effective in the Olympics. He can shoot, has nice range out to 3+ range, and is a capable passer to boot. He was often the go to scorer in some of the top basketball leagues outside of the US. Most reports cite his first step offensively, his acurate shooting ability, his passing, and his NBA readiness. Where have you seen him noted as not being NBA ready?
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My comments were based on the tape I've watched of him.
He's a 19 year old catch-and-shoot beanpole who needs work on his shot and can't play defense.
If he plans to come over, he's going to need a lot of time and work.
That's not complaining about the pick at all... but if he's our starting SF, yeah, we'll be back in the lottery with high percentage odds.
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wow, watching the news this morning (remember, no b ball fan here) I noticed that there seems to be an overwhelming dislike for Bennett.
So I went out and watched some tape,, Not sure that in a different draft he'd be the 1st pick, but he sure seems like a solid player.
What did I miss?
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As someone who follows basketball very closely, here is a rundown of the "concerns" with Bennett:
1. His propensity to gain weight. I know he recently had surgery and hasn't been able to work out, but there have been numerous reports of him quickly getting out of shape.
2. His lack of true position in the NBA. He is probably not big (meaning tall) enough to play a 4, but it's really a stretch to play him at a 3 (especially when he'll have to guard other 3's)
3. His defense was non-existent. He literally is one of the worst defenders in the draft. It was an odd pick for Mike Brown because he is a defensive-minded coach.
Now, Bennett does have great offensive skill and ability. He can REALLY shoot the ball and is a great athlete. I wouldn't say that I HATE this pick, but I definitely wouldn't have taken him (unless I traded back because he could have been picked in the 6-10 range).
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Reportedly, Brown was a large force behind the pick and had Bennett as the clear #1 player. I don't want to put too much in to Mike Brown, but he turned Daniel Gibson and Sasha Pavlovic into good NBA defenders. I'd think he can do it with a young, impressionable player.
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Chris Grant said last night that he thinks Karasev will be with the Cavs next year.
I'm really happy with that pick because there were many reports out there that the Cavs really liked him. Same thing I said with the Browns and Mingo. They got the guy they wanted.
Can say the same for Bennett, since they picked first, but I am not thrilled about the pick. I'm going to give him a chance, probably more than a chance, but I can't see how he was their best guy. I hope I'm dead wrong.
I'm not as upset as some, because if you wanted to reach in a draft, even at #1, this was the year to do it.
If nothing else, Chris Grant thinks outside of the box.
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SG: Waiters
C: Thompson
PF: Bennett
SF: Karasev
That's a starting 5 that should be able to play with just about anyone.
Wait what? You're going to move a PF to C and a SG to SF, and suddenly we can contend with anyone?
I think you're putting too much stock into Karasev too ... He's the #19th pick from a weak draft. Sure we can hold out hope that he's the next Tony Parker/AK47 Euro-gem, but I wouldn't exactly bank on it.
If anything, we're a stronger team if we can somehow keep a healthy Varejao and Irving on the floor, but even then I don't know that this draft improved us that much. Bennett is a small upgrade at PF and might push TT to the bench. I think Andy should be starting at Center, as he's the better of the two when healthy, but that still leaves us pretty undersized. We've got two PF trying to play Center still. We also still have no true SF.
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Yeah, I don't know how anyone could think that roster is capable of 'playing with anyone'. That would be a 20-25 win team.
With Thompson and Bennett, you have a mix of skills at the 4, but I wonder if Bennett means Thompson goes? I would hope that's not the case, as they can compliment each other, but we've been dangling TT in trade talks for awhile now.
I don't see Bennett playing the 3 outside of some situational minutes. He has a high ceiling, so you never know, but I wouldn't expect to see it much anytime soon.
I would expect to us to go after a starting 3 in FA.
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Yeah, I don't know how anyone could think that roster is capable of 'playing with anyone'. That would be a 20-25 win team.
With Thompson and Bennett, you have a mix of skills at the 4, but I wonder if Bennett means Thompson goes? I would hope that's not the case, as they can compliment each other, but we've been dangling TT in trade talks for awhile now.
I don't see Bennett playing the 3 outside of some situational minutes. He has a high ceiling, so you never know, but I wouldn't expect to see it much anytime soon.
I would expect to us to go after a starting 3 in FA.
I've gotta wonder if we're looking at Iggy. Good news is that we have really nice cap space right now.
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If I am not mistaken, Tristan has already played Center for us, and played it well. Where is Karasev a SG? Grant has already said that he'll be a SF. He does need to add weight, but he is a legit 6'7", and is a very good shooter/passer already. People went nuts for Shabazz as a potential SF, but he really would have been a stretch there. He has the weight, but is only 6'6" ...... and he couldn;t find a teammate if his life depended on it. Karasev is an effective passer, and an effective shooter. He can take a defender off the dribble. He has played in the highest leagues in Russia, and has played in the Olympics. Maybe he will need a little bit to add weight to his frame, but he has legit NBA skills right now. Sergey Karasev will challenge Alonzo Gee for starting role right away with Cleveland Cavaliers: Terry Pluto | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf...#incart_m-rpt-2CLEVELAND, Ohio - Here are some quick thoughts on the Cavaliers drafting Russian small forward Sergey Karasev on Thursday with the 19th pick in the NBA Draft. 1. The Cavaliers scouted Sergey Karasev several times, as they have been intrigued by the 6-foot-7 small forward from Russia. At 19, he already is a veteran of the Russian Olympic team and he played at some of the highest levels of international competition. He could compete for a starting spot, unless the Cavs trade or sign a veteran small forward. 2. The Cavs had Karasev in their top 15 ... they rated 15 players as first rounders. They see him as a pure small forward -- he has long arms and can slash to the basket. Being a lefty is an advantage, as most defenders tend to guard everyone as a driving force to the right. 3. Karasev averaged 18.7 points and shot 45 percent for his Russian team, where he was the leading scorer as one of its youngest players. 4. I heard the Cavs were willing to trade up for Karasev, but realized he was falling to them. 5. I still think the Cavs will shop for a veteran small forward, but Karasev becomes an immediate challenge to Alonzo Gee as a starter.
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