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question if we are his best chance at winning a ring in the next4 years why would he not sign with us?
Because Cleveland is not a "destination". We're also a team that has lost a lot of games over the past 3 years. I doubt that he wants to come to a situation like this. He wants to be a star, and that means a bigger market. Besides, the image of Cleveland right now is that We couldn't attract free agents with Lebron here, which is only true because James wouldn't commit to being here. That image remains, though.
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question if we are his best chance at winning a ring in the next4 years why would he not sign with us?
Because Cleveland is not a "destination". We're also a team that has lost a lot of games over the past 3 years. I doubt that he wants to come to a situation like this. He wants to be a star, and that means a bigger market. Besides, the image of Cleveland right now is that We couldn't attract free agents with Lebron here, which is only true because James wouldn't commit to being here. That image remains, though.
The only big time mega star who is still in his prime that we'd ever get would be Lebron and that's because of the past with the team, and his ties to the area. Totally different situation.
Sad but true, doesn;t mean you can't win a championship, it just makes Chris Grant's job harder.
We're not going to get any of the big name guys this summer, so there's no reason to hand out big time contracts. I really hope our signings are smart, 1-3 year, smaller deals.
I don' want Iggy at 15m+ a year.
Bynum interest me, only because we could possibly get him on the cheap, and the payoff would be incredible if i worked out. I have no idea what his relationship was like with Coach Brown, so who knows. I do think the Cavs will chase him a bit.
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KG / Evans / Teletovic
Lopez / Plumlee
If this was a team in 2007 they'd be GOAT. Very strong starting 5 with a competent bench.
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Korver is a nice piece for them.
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I just read that the Rockets may make Omer Asik available in a trade to clear cap space. I don't know if he's a guy we could look at or not. His contract is reasonable this year, but jumps to $14 million next year.
I really didn't pay much attention to the Rockets last year .... but a double double guy in the middle would look pretty good. Is he worth a look?
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I just read that the Rockets may make Omer Asik available in a trade to clear cap space. I don't know if he's a guy we could look at or not. His contract is reasonable this year, but jumps to $14 million next year.
I really didn't pay much attention to the Rockets last year .... but a double double guy in the middle would look pretty good. Is he worth a look?
His cap hit is only about 8.4 million next year. http://basketball.about.com/od/nba-cba-glossary/g/Poison-Pill-Contract.htm
I think he would be a good fit and big, youngish, defensive 10/12 guys on reasonable contracts don't grow on trees. What would it take to trade for him? That is the big question.
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Heat in 5.
Did we watch the same Heat team....? The one that struggled with a 37 year old Duncan and got destroyed inside against Indiana.
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In 7 games and probably should have lost in 6 to the Spurs.
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If the Heat don't make some pretty significant roster moves this summer, they won't make it out of the East.
Wade will be another year older, and is always beat up.
Bosh is a nice 3rd option, I'll give them that.
Ray Allen is going to be 38, and is not the same player. A spot up shooter at best this point in his career.
I'm assuming Shane Battier is retiring since he was doing NBA Draft coverage?
How much longer is Mike Miller's back going to hold up?
Norris Cole and Chalmers would be decent options for a back-up PG, but neither one is starting quality in the NBA.
Also, Indiana gets Granger back next year, they'll be the best team in the East, in my opinion.
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Heat in 5.
Did we watch the same Heat team....? The one that struggled with a 37 year old Duncan and got destroyed inside against Indiana.
Well the post I was responding to was about the Nets, not the Pacers or Spurs.
Duncan at 37 years old is still, amazingly, one of the best bigs in the league. Parker one of the best PGs in the league, Pop the best coach, Danny Green was on fire from 3 through 5 games, and Leonard has amazing length/quickness/defensive ability. Don't undersell the Spurs. They were far better than any team in the East this year, outside of Miami.
The Pacers did take Miami to 7. That was impressive. Honestly they are just built to beat the Heat. Yet when push came to shove, they got ran off the court in game 7.
I'm not sure how I feel about that Nets team. Williams the coach killer, Johnson the chucker, Pierce and KG are on the decline, Kidd has never coached a game in his life. But they are undeniably talented. Kind of reminds me of the Lakers this past season. Will it turn out differently?
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He was from 1997-99.
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I just read that the Rockets may make Omer Asik available in a trade to clear cap space. I don't know if he's a guy we could look at or not. His contract is reasonable this year, but jumps to $14 million next year.
I really didn't pay much attention to the Rockets last year .... but a double double guy in the middle would look pretty good. Is he worth a look?
His cap hit is only about 8.4 million next year. http://basketball.about.com/od/nba-cba-glossary/g/Poison-Pill-Contract.htm
I think he would be a good fit and big, youngish, defensive 10/12 guys on reasonable contracts don't grow on trees. What would it take to trade for him? That is the big question.
Yeah, he is reasonable next year, then his contract really bumps up ..... to over $14 million.
The word is that the Rockets are trying pretty hard to get rid of contracts to clear room for Howard and another max contract.
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If the Heat don't make some pretty significant roster moves this summer, they won't make it out of the East.
Wade will be another year older, and is always beat up.
Bosh is a nice 3rd option, I'll give them that.
Ray Allen is going to be 38, and is not the same player. A spot up shooter at best this point in his career.
I'm assuming Shane Battier is retiring since he was doing NBA Draft coverage?
How much longer is Mike Miller's back going to hold up?
Norris Cole and Chalmers would be decent options for a back-up PG, but neither one is starting quality in the NBA.
Also, Indiana gets Granger back next year, they'll be the best team in the East, in my opinion.
I have the Pacers winning the east next year too. Especially if they can sign some competent bench guys like a JJ Reddick. I think fatigue will play a big factor too for the Heat.
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He was from 1997-99.
2005 season: 10th in defense. (opponent points)
2006: 5th in defense.
2007: 9th in defense.
2008: 1st in defense.
2009: 6th in defense.
If he's not a wizard, he's still one of the best defensive coaches in the NBA.
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Hmm .... Cavaliers are interested in Bynum ....... He said that the Cavaliers were a team he was interested in being traded to last year. Might be interesting. I'm not real crazy about us not picking up Ellington's option. I like him as scoring off the bench, and I didn't think that he was that expensive. NBA free agency news and rumors: Cavaliers interested in Andrew Bynum? | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/..._special-reportCLEVELAND -- Teams around the NBA were allowed to contact free agents starting at 12:01 a.m. and there have been plenty of news and rumors regarding some of the top available players, including the the Cleveland Cavaliers. The Cavaliers are reportedly interested in center Andrew Bynum, who sat out last season with the Philadelphia 76ers. According to Hoopsworld.com, the Cavaliers will reach out to Bynum in hopes of adding the center to bulk up their front court. Even thought Bynum didn't play last season due to persistent knee trouble, he should attract more than a few teams for his services. The source specifically mentioned the Portland Trail Blazers and Cleveland Cavaliers as two teams expected to reach out to Bynum along with all of the franchises with cap space that are pursuing center Dwight Howard. Howard is set to meet with the Atlanta Hawks, Dallas Mavericks, Los Angeles Lakers, Golden State Warriors and Houston Rockets. Of those five, the Hawks, Mavericks and Rockets have the necessary space under the cap to make a max, or near max, offer without needing to do a sign-and-trade. Bynum last played during the 2011-12 season in Los Angeles with the Lakers, averaging 18.7 points per game and grabbing 11.8 rebounds. When healthy, Bynum is one of the top centers in the league. He would immediately help the Cavaliers up front and add a player that can score in the post. But how much money would it take to sign Bynum? Another big question will be can he stay healthy? Bynum's camp is confident he will be ready for the start of training camp wherever he signs. The Cavaliers have also talked with free agents C.J. Watson (according to Alex Kennedy of Hoopsworld.com), Darren Collison (according to Sam Amico of FoxSportsOhio.com) and Earl Clark (according to Sean Deveney of the Sporting News). The Cavaliers are making their search of a backup point guard to Kyrie Irving a priority this summer. Adding either Watson or Collison would make sense and add depth to their bench. Watson played in 80 games for the Brooklyn Nets this season, averaging 19 minutes per game. Collison started 47 games for the Dallas Mavericks last season, averaging 12.0 points and 5.1 assists per game while shooting 47 percent. The Cavs and Clark will reportedly meet on Tuesday to discuss the possibility of Clark signing in Cleveland. Clark played for Mike Brown with the Lakers. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lakers have reached out to Cavaliers guard Wayne Ellington. (ESPNLA.com)
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With a healthy Bynum and guys progressing at an expected rate, I think we're the best in the East in 2 years.
Problem is that he's crazy as hell.
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He does typically only manage 50-60 games/year ..... but he is a top quality Center when he plays. I think that he'd be a 20 PPG player in Cleveland. He would probably take a max type deal, and I am torn on that. I love his talent. I think that he could be a huge piece for this team. Injuries, as you say, are a major concern though. He is only 25. Maybe he'll beat the injury bug ... but it is a concern.
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I do have a question for those with a great deal of NBA knowledge ......
What would you think of making a run at Al Jefferson? He's not the strongest defender in the NBA, , but he is a very effective scorer. I would love to see an 18 PPG guy in the middle.
His complete lack of defense is an issue with me. He would undoubtedly help our team, I hope Brown could get him to play some D but I doubt it. I really wanted Kanter, as he was made available on draft day, was hoping for a trade for him.
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Problem is that he's crazy as hell.
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I wouldn't sign him.
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I do have a question for those with a great deal of NBA knowledge ......
What would you think of making a run at Al Jefferson? He's not the strongest defender in the NBA, , but he is a very effective scorer. I would love to see an 18 PPG guy in the middle.
His complete lack of defense is an issue with me. He would undoubtedly help our team, I hope Brown could get him to play some D but I doubt it. I really wanted Kanter, as he was made available on draft day, was hoping for a trade for him.
Someone mentioned his P&R defense, and I agree. Teams would target the hell out of him. He has a damn good offensive game though.
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Utah was middle of the league in scoring defense. Did they help him a lot on defense? Jefferson did play about 33 minutes per game, so he was out there quite a lot.
I know that Mo Williams didn't help their defense much, because he was an awful defender in Cleveland.
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As if the inability to stay healthy and finish a season is not enough.
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He'll spend the rest of his career mired in mediocrity somewhere. I just hope it's not in Cleveland.
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Some good news for those interested in our financial situations: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland.htmMost updated salary cap situation.
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Does anyone know if we picked up the option on Miles? I know that we did not exercise our option on Ellington.
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Does anyone know if we picked up the option on Miles? I know that we did not exercise our option on Ellington.
Not sure
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Quinn was the PG we picked up at the end of the season as a third PG. Miles has said on Twitter that he hasn't found out yet about his option.
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Utah was middle of the league in scoring defense. Did they help him a lot on defense? Jefferson did play about 33 minutes per game, so he was out there quite a lot.
I know that Mo Williams didn't help their defense much, because he was an awful defender in Cleveland.
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07-08 Timberwolves: 116.0 with Jefferson/103.9 without Jefferson
08-09 Timberwolves: 112.3 with Jefferson/113.2 without Jefferson
09-10 Timberwolves: 113.1 with Jefferson/111.2 without Jefferson
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He's a bad defender.
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Utah was middle of the league in scoring defense. Did they help him a lot on defense? Jefferson did play about 33 minutes per game, so he was out there quite a lot.
I know that Mo Williams didn't help their defense much, because he was an awful defender in Cleveland.
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07-08 Timberwolves: 116.0 with Jefferson/103.9 without Jefferson
08-09 Timberwolves: 112.3 with Jefferson/113.2 without Jefferson
09-10 Timberwolves: 113.1 with Jefferson/111.2 without Jefferson
10-11 Jazz: 112.0 with Jefferson/101.3 without Jefferson
He's a bad defender.
I really don't like the whole "the opponent scored X with him on the court, and Y without", because it could have nothing to do with him. For example, if a team typically pairs its PG and C as a unit, but the PG is a really weak defender, then the C may look bad.
When we first made the trade last year to get Ellington and Speights, we paired them with Livingston and Walton to create 4 members of a solid defensive 2nd unit. Someone could say that Walton suddenly became a better defender than Thompson based on that, because the 2nd unit defense improved so dramatically, which would be ridiculous.
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Andray Blatche just signed a very cheap deal (he got amnestied by Washington so he is getting money from them) so the Nets will be a deep team. Blatche, Terry, Evans, Korver, and Teletovic is a good bench. That is a HUGE differece between them and this years Lakers.
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Utah was middle of the league in scoring defense. Did they help him a lot on defense? Jefferson did play about 33 minutes per game, so he was out there quite a lot.
I know that Mo Williams didn't help their defense much, because he was an awful defender in Cleveland.
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07-08 Timberwolves: 116.0 with Jefferson/103.9 without Jefferson
08-09 Timberwolves: 112.3 with Jefferson/113.2 without Jefferson
09-10 Timberwolves: 113.1 with Jefferson/111.2 without Jefferson
10-11 Jazz: 112.0 with Jefferson/101.3 without Jefferson
He's a bad defender.
I really don't like the whole "the opponent scored X with him on the court, and Y without", because it could have nothing to do with him. For example, if a team typically pairs its PG and C as a unit, but the PG is a really weak defender, then the C may look bad.
When we first made the trade last year to get Ellington and Speights, we paired them with Livingston and Walton to create 4 members of a solid defensive 2nd unit. Someone could say that Walton suddenly became a better defender than Thompson based on that, because the 2nd unit defense improved so dramatically, which would be ridiculous.
Al Jefferson is a bad defensive player.
If you don't like those stats, find a method to disprove my theory.
He is an awful defender.
Our team is awful defensively. I like our new additions, but they make the problem worse.
You've been arguing that an offensive center will make us contenders (or, to be fair, 'damn good').
An offensive center might nudge us into the 7-8 seed. 6 if you want to don rose-colored glasses.
If you want to debate Al Jefferson's defense.... I dunno, I'll do it. I'm bored. You'll lose. 
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I asked about him, because I wasn't sure. Then I asked for clarification. You threw up a stat which I have always had an issue with, because of the very reasons I stated.
Have you watched him play? What do you see as his particular weaknesses on defense? What prevents him from being a good defender that he might be able to improve upon? What areas on defense does he struggle with that he is unlikely to be able to improve? I can look up numbers, but I haven't really paid a great deal of attention to the guy in the past, and his offensive numbers look intriguing.
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I'll make it easy, he is slow and lazy. Two horrible traits to have against the P&R or any offense really.
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