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 What sad times in America. And before this thread goes off the rails....the answer to the question is answered by this question: Who has suffered more in America's history: White people or black people?Edit: Both words aren't good words to use. One just has a worse history behind it.
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With the mass civil unrest across the world you'd think they could be reporting on that rather a think piece on words.
Also just a question to white people: Do you actually find the word "Cracker" offensive and hateful? I know this might sound dumb, but a majority the white people I knew casually laughed the slur off as some would do a joke. It's not really the most gripping racial insult, ya know?
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Sounds EXACTLY like how most black people I know use the "N" word.
Just had a thought, the "C" word is already taken, what code shall we use for "cracker" when somebody decides that the word just should not be used anymore?
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Sounds EXACTLY like how most black people I know use the "N" word.
Just had a thought, the "C" word is already taken, what code shall we use for "cracker" when somebody decides that the word just should not be used anymore?
Well we do have multiple "B" words, so precedence would say it'd remain the "C" word.
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"N-word vs Cracker: Which one is worse"
How about the one they wont actually spell out?
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With the mass civil unrest across the world you'd think they could be reporting on that rather a think piece on words.
Also just a question to white people: Do you actually find the word "Cracker" offensive and hateful? I know this might sound dumb, but a majority the white people I knew casually laughed the slur off as some would do a joke. It's not really the most gripping racial insult, ya know?
No I don't. I also understand that many older folks who were raised before and during segregation, especially from the south, had it ingrained in them at a young age, and sometimes, no matter how much you try to control your speech, you let things slip, and you shouldn't be vilified, especially if it was not used in a derogatory manner.
Not to mention it is heard all the time in movies, comedy acts, music. I have let the word slip just repeating a phrase from a comedy act I had recently seen. Luckily it was with co-workers where we all crack on each other all the time, so they just shot one back and we laughed about it.
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Also just a question to white people: Do you actually find the word "Cracker" offensive and hateful? I know this might sound dumb, but a majority the white people I knew casually laughed the slur off as some would do a joke. It's not really the most gripping racial insult, ya know?
I know it's meant as an insult... but I could care less.
But until blacks stop referring to each other with the N-word, glorifying it in music, etc... don't expect me to get all bent out of shape when somebody else uses it. I won't use it, it's an ugly word but in the end, it's just a word.
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Also just a question to white people: Do you actually find the word "Cracker" offensive and hateful?
Look up "Louis CK - Being White" on YouTube.
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"N-word vs Cracker: Which one is worse"
How about the one they wont actually spell out?
Bingo.
I won't say either because I'm almost always around uber-sensitive people, but I really don't care. When I was working in Mexico, people would call me gringo all the time, and I believe that's actually on par with cracker. It was funny, a way we used to joke around with each other at work.
People say talking about it (talking it out) is good, but I disagree. Having TV time dedicated to dissecting the words and what they mean makes it harder for people/society to move on and grow past words like these. When the words won't die out, the ideas behind it remain as well.
Just another reason why I hate the media (especially here in the states).
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What about the dreaded H-word? Yes I'm talking HONKEY!!!! lol. Cracker, Honkey, Blueeyed Devil, I don't care and it doesn't bother me. People need to lighten up. Btw Cracker comes from Florida cowboys. They got the name from the whips they cracked when herding cattle.Some of the cowboys were Black, so that means they were Black Crackers. Imagine their pain.
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My personal preference is "Pink .".
Honkie comes from Hunky, for Hungarian.
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.Some of the cowboys were Black, so that means they were Black Crackers.
Whole Wheat Crackers!
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Also just a question to white people: Do you actually find the word "Cracker" offensive and hateful? I know this might sound dumb, but a majority the white people I knew casually laughed the slur off as some would do a joke. It's not really the most gripping racial insult, ya know?
Only in the light that it is a double standard...It "IS" meant to be demeaning and racially insulting. However..for some reason it is ok to say while other words used by non black people are completely taboo. It is the same for every other slur against other races...Use any slur against a white person you want...but as soon as anything is said by a white person against another race it is as if someone danced nude and strangled a kitten in front of a bunch of children.....They have committed an immortal sin...
The double standard has to stop. You either want equality or you don't. Equality means that you get the same scrutiny as other people. EVEN WHEN IT DOES NOT GO YOUR WAY.
The problem is we live in this blameless society where we have been raised to believe that nothing is our fault and so if something does not go our way we automatically assume that something was conspired against us. So if someone else gets a job...it must be race...or nepotism or some other sort of discrimination. Others prey upon that by using pains from the past to further their own personal causes. You have your Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's....you have your David Duke's and the Westboro Baptist's Church....They all jump on the race(or in the case of the church ethnicity and religion) wagon and push it when race may never have been an issue.
It gets to the point where the real incidents of racism are ignored. White on Black, Black on White, on Hispanic, on Asian, it doesn't matter who is doing it to who...RACISM IS RACISM....and Cracker...is a racist term...Any attempt to lessen that fact is straight denial. You cannot rationalize racism. It does not matter if someone refuses to take it at a personal offense....It is still a racist term.
And I am offended in the light that there is a double standard in the using of these racist terms. I personally would never use them except in terms of reference or say as they did in "Blazing Saddles...Where the use of the word was the point...To show the absolute ignorance of it...It is just my contention that society should hold EVERY race to those standards...and not just the white one...
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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In the instance they are discussing, cracker was used as a racial slur. It actually gives credence to the idea that Martin attacked Zimmerman, who he mistook for white. While the use of the word cracker is not as taboo as ., it may as well be the same word for the same thing: A derogatory slur to refer to another person of a different ethnicity.
As Mel Brooks wrote for his movie, "We'll take the niggers, the chinks, and the wops, but not the Irish."
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In the instance they are discussing, cracker was used as a racial slur. It actually gives credence to the idea that Martin attacked Zimmerman, who he mistook for white. While the use of the word cracker is not as taboo as ., it may as well be the same word for the same thing: A derogatory slur to refer to another person of a different ethnicity.
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Zimmerman is white.
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As Mel Brooks wrote for his movie, "We'll take the niggers, the chinks, and the wops, but not the Irish."
One of the best movies of all time 
Is an angry white man then a Salty Cracker?
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Does that make Obama white as well then?
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In the instance they are discussing, cracker was used as a racial slur. It actually gives credence to the idea that Martin attacked Zimmerman, who he mistook for white. While the use of the word cracker is not as taboo as ., it may as well be the same word for the same thing: A derogatory slur to refer to another person of a different ethnicity.
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Zimmerman is white.
He is? Then why is he labeled a "white hispanic"????
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Does that make Obama white as well then?
If we were to use the white hispanic model to Obama, he'd be African-American Caucasian. He's black with white heritage under this model. So, no.
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I really don't get why this word issue is so hard to understand for some. There is a direct relationship between racial slur and the historical or imagined oppression connected with said racial slur. "Cracker" is not offensive to whites because whites do not connect that word with personal or racial oppression. So, as far as the debate over words is concerned, can we all just admit that "." and "cracker" are not equivalent? Admitting this doesn't mean you are a liberal or that you must support affirmative action or even care about racial issues. But anyone who thinks these two words mean the same thing--either to the race to which they are applied or in general--is not being honest or is ignorant of history.
On a related note, anyone who says or writes "N-word" when discussing this issue in a serious way sounds like a 5-year-old, and no doubt the quality of the discussion doesn't get far beyond what might be accomplished in an elementary school debate. Does context mean nothing? Again, both the PC people and the anti-PC people make the same mistake by decontextualizing the word, albeit for different reasons. I can't even write the word on this message board because the word has been decontextualized and stuck on a list of words we can't write like we are 5-year-olds. I'd like to know who is responsible for putting "." on the naughty list and why. 10 bucks says whoever did it identifies as anti-PC, but because the anti-PC people are just as blind to context as PC people, it doesn't matter.
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anyone who says or writes "N-word" when discussing this issue in a serious way sounds like a 5-year-old, and no doubt the quality of the discussion doesn't get far beyond what might be accomplished in an elementary school debate.
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All white hispanic means is that they're racially white with hispanic descendants.
Huh?
His dad is "white"...........whatever that means. His mom is Peruvian.
So why is he "racially white with hispanic descendants"? Why isn't he "racially hispanic with white descendants"? (whatever "white" means)
Other than you, and half the populace of the country that only care about "race" due to the media in this case - WHO CARES?
Question for you: My ancestors came from Germany and Lichtenstein as far as my brother has researched. What am I?
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All white hispanic means is that they're racially white with hispanic descendants.
Huh?
His dad is "white"...........whatever that means. His mom is Peruvian.
So why is he "racially white with hispanic descendants"? Why isn't he "racially hispanic with white descendants"? (whatever "white" means)
Other than you, and half the populace of the country that only care about "race" due to the media in this case - WHO CARES?
Question for you: My ancestors came from Germany and Lichtenstein as far as my brother has researched. What am I?
Because a main factor of race has to do with skin colour. Does Martin Sheen look Hispanic to you? Didn't think so.
Also, a white person has never had to worry about the colour of their skin before, but for minority and PoC it's an easy way to be segregated quickly. So while race doesn't matter to you, because you're ignorant on the struggles minorities will see in every day life, doesn't mean that they're charged by the media (Which, by the way, isn't very racially diverse), but it's probably a lot more do to people's experiences.
And according to the U.S. government, you'd be white. Congrats.
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All white hispanic means is that they're racially white with hispanic descendants.
Huh?
His dad is "white"...........whatever that means. His mom is Peruvian.
So why is he "racially white with hispanic descendants"? Why isn't he "racially hispanic with white descendants"? (whatever "white" means)
Other than you, and half the populace of the country that only care about "race" due to the media in this case - WHO CARES?
Question for you: My ancestors came from Germany and Lichtenstein as far as my brother has researched. What am I?
Because a main factor of race has to do with skin colour. Does Martin Sheen look Hispanic to you? Didn't think so.
Also, a white person has never had to worry about the colour of their skin before, but for minority and PoC it's an easy way to be segregated quickly. So while race doesn't matter to you, because you're ignorant on the struggles minorities will see in every day life, doesn't mean that they're charged by the media (Which, by the way, isn't very racially diverse), but it's probably a lot more do to people's experiences.
And according to the U.S. government, you'd be white. Congrats.
Ah, I'm ignorant. Your words.
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Why is he not Caucasian African American? Why is Zimmermann white Hispanic and not Hispanic Caucasian?
I really hate this race crap. I understand racism still exists, but good Lord, it is never going to go away when people still care if someone is black, white, white hispanic, etc. I could care less. Everyone is equal.
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Why is he not Caucasian African American? Why is Zimmermann white Hispanic and not Hispanic Caucasian?
I really hate this race crap. I understand racism still exists, but good Lord, it is never going to go away when people still care if someone is black, white, white hispanic, etc. I could care less. Everyone is equal.
Because race is mainly classified by skin colour. So, allow me to retort, what does Barrack Obama look like?
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Why is he not Caucasian African American? Why is Zimmermann white Hispanic and not Hispanic Caucasian?
I really hate this race crap. I understand racism still exists, but good Lord, it is never going to go away when people still care if someone is black, white, white hispanic, etc. I could care less. Everyone is equal.
Because race is mainly classified by skin colour. So, allow me to retort, what does Barrack Obama look like?
Zimmerman looks hispanic to me. So why do you call him white? Why does the media call him "white hispanic"?
See how stupid this is?
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Why is he not Caucasian African American? Why is Zimmermann white Hispanic and not Hispanic Caucasian?
I really hate this race crap. I understand racism still exists, but good Lord, it is never going to go away when people still care if someone is black, white, white hispanic, etc. I could care less. Everyone is equal.
Because race is mainly classified by skin colour. So, allow me to retort, what does Barrack Obama look like?
So, what you're really saying is that facts and reality don't matter... just snap decisions based on perspective.
FWIW - most of Puerto Rico is "white hispanic"
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Why is he not Caucasian African American? Why is Zimmermann white Hispanic and not Hispanic Caucasian?
I really hate this race crap. I understand racism still exists, but good Lord, it is never going to go away when people still care if someone is black, white, white hispanic, etc. I could care less. Everyone is equal.
Because race is mainly classified by skin colour. So, allow me to retort, what does Barrack Obama look like?
So, what you're really saying is that facts and reality don't matter... just snap decisions based on perspective.
FWIW - most of Puerto Rico is "white hispanic"
So would Haiti and the Dominican Republic (the island also known as Hispaniola) be mostly "black hispanic"?
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As Mel Brooks wrote for his movie, "We'll take the niggers, the chinks, and the wops, but not the Irish."
One of the best movies of all time
Is an angry white man then a Salty Cracker?
Is a skinny cracker a Wheat Thin?
Is it me, or are we all ashamed to spell out the n word or is it a board rule?. Myself I don't like the word and won't use it. But two black guys talking to each other will use it all the time.
I hate feeling as if I gotta walk on egg shells around black people so I don't offend anyone. so I don't. My black friends know that when they come to my house, they are gonna get treated the exact same way a white friend gets treated.. EXACTLY, That means all the food they can eat, and an endless supply of adult beverages should they be so inclined and a brutal assault on anyone living in a glass house.. LOL
I had a black friend (had is the right word, he passed away some time ago now,, I miss him) he would say I want my damn 40 acres and a mule.
I told him fine, lets give it to you and all the blacks and call it a draw.  End of all race trash talk. LOL
First time I told him that, he froze, looked at me sternly,,, I thought I had finally crossed the line then he stood up and started laughing like a mad man.. he got it.
Hope all you people do..
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"N-word vs Cracker: Which one is worse"
How about the one they wont actually spell out?
They won't spell it out for PC reasons.. (Ref: Paula Deen)
"Worse" is a totally subjective term.. a word is only as offensive as the person that hears it allows it to be. And often that comes within the context in which it is used and the perception of the person that uses it. The N-word is no different than a lot of other words that are used among friends but when used by somebody outside of those friends, can be very derogatory... When in doubt, I always try to err on the side of caution..
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If we had several who were Holy Rollers, would that be........................
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Why is he not Caucasian African American? Why is Zimmermann white Hispanic and not Hispanic Caucasian?
I really hate this race crap. I understand racism still exists, but good Lord, it is never going to go away when people still care if someone is black, white, white hispanic, etc. I could care less. Everyone is equal.
Because race is mainly classified by skin colour. So, allow me to retort, what does Barrack Obama look like?
He doesn't look black nor does he look white. If I were to just guess without knowing anything about him I may say he is part hispanic, part white, part black. It is really hard to tell, nor do I really care.
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So, are you British African-American or Canadian African-American 
Sorry, couldn't resist, I know those aren't races. 
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I really hate this race crap. I understand racism still exists, but good Lord, it is never going to go away when people still care if someone is black, white, white hispanic, etc. I could care less. Everyone is equal.
Because race is mainly classified by skin colour. So, allow me to retort, what does Barrack Obama look like?
Hahahaha! I'm going to go and inform about half my Mexican coworkers that they are, in fact, White Hispanics.
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I really hate this race crap. I understand racism still exists, but good Lord, it is never going to go away when people still care if someone is black, white, white hispanic, etc. I could care less. Everyone is equal.
Because race is mainly classified by skin colour. So, allow me to retort, what does Barrack Obama look like?
He doesn't look black nor does he look white. If I were to just guess without knowing anything about him I may say he is part hispanic, part white, part black. It is really hard to tell, nor do I really care.
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Sorry, couldn't resist, I know those aren't races.
I really don't care what colour you think Obama is (nor do I care what colour Obama is), I just wanted to quote Pulp Fiction a bit
I'm not African-American. I'm Hispanic, but I do love British variants of words as they just look more pleasing to the eye (I also love French names for the same reason).
As for people wanting to get into the what white-hispanic debate is, I do not work for the census bureau, so I cannot tell you if Haitians are considered black hispanics or not. However, I can tell you the reason why the term(s) was/were created was to track the number of multiracial people being born as it's one of the quickest growing segments of the population.
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That would depend on the classification of 'white'. From now on, I wish to be known as a Native American-German-Welsh-Cherokee-American.
Are mixed race people with white skin, a red afro, and a wide nose considered black? I have neighbors that have kids that look like that, and the parents are obviously black
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All white hispanic means is that they're racially white with hispanic descendants.
"White Hispanic" is a brand new term used to denote George Zimmerman.
The Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons of the world want no part of a feud with latinos therefore they are relying on branding Zimmerman as white so as to advance their rhetoric, media time etc.
I feel bad for the poorly educated and/or less intelligent members of the black community (and other communities but black in particular) that don't recognize these people for what they are.
The civil rights movement was noble and necessary. These race baiters need for racial animosity to remain....or else they need to find another source of income. And these guys make money hand over fist in the current climate. One that the media is fully complicit in as well IMO.
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