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Who should Ferry have traded Wally for in 2009?
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Who should Ferry have traded Wally for in 2009?
Wally put up 3.6 PPG in the playoffs, shooting 16% from beyond the arc and getting shredded defensively. He then retired.
So to answer your question... anything.
Look at who we signed with the free cap space.
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Yeah, but who would you have liked us to have traded Wally for? What player could we have received in exchange for him?
I understand the desire to get something for nothing ..... but what was available. (I really don't recall)
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Lebron never had another star let alone superstar in Cleveland. Honestly I see both sides of it. I don't think it was for lack of trying/spending but at the same time Mo Williams can't be the second best player on a championship team.
Anyway, who cares at this point? The way I look at it, if you want to talk about the Heat and Lebron, fine. It is relevant basketball discussion. If you want to come out of the East, you are probably going to have to go through Miami. That is very likely to be true this coming season, and very well might be true for the forseeable future.
But why bash your head over decisions made years ago....
Anyway, I like the impending Earl Clark signing. It's low risk, improves the team, and due to the structure with the team option maintains cap flexibility going forward. He has excellent size to match up with the Lebrons and Durants on the perimeter, and range out to 3. He's probably best as a rotational guy but he very well might be a starter this season.
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Yeah, but who would you have liked us to have traded Wally for? What player could we have received in exchange for him?
I understand the desire to get something for nothing ..... but what was available. (I really don't recall)
Again ... anything would have been better, really.
To say 'this guy' or 'that guy' takes a lot of creative license and relying on rumors.
One rumor at the time was Hickson and Wally's expiring for Gerald Wallace. Charlotte was trying to unload him. It didn't happen. They ended up moving him for a bunch of scrubs and draft picks.
Was that trade ever a viable option? Who knows. But that certainly would have helped. And given what they got in return, the trade sounds like it could've been a reality.
Another rumor was Shaq. Reports said we were offering Hickson and Sasha Pavlovic. The Suns wanted Hickson and Wally's contract.
Again, was that a possibility? Who knows. But the Suns ended up shipping him to us for Wallace, Pavlovic and a pick a year later.
Shaq would've certainly been helpful in the 2009 ECF.
Again, it's hard to throw out these scenarios, as one has to separate fact from fiction, but It's hard to envision a scenario where we make any deal for Wally that doesn't give us a much, much better chance at winning that year. And he was one of the most coveted trade assets at that deadline. You can't tell me we weren't fielding offers.
But Ferry wanted to let it ride. Like I said, that's understandable. Not wise, but understandable. We were on a roll, and he was playing well.
Wally absolutely killed us in the Orlando series. I understand Mike Brown wanting him out there to combat the Magic's three point parade, but he was cold as ice and a huge defensive liability.
Why Brown kept giving him the minutes he did was baffling.
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Cavs, Hawks and Jazz involved in trade talks with Warriors to absorb salaries. Reports have Jazz accepting contracts of Biedrins and Jefferson. The Warriors would still need to move Bogut to sign Howard.
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To say 'this guy' or 'that guy' takes a lot of creative license and relying on rumors.
Exactly ... it also takes a LOT of 20/20 hindsight. Had Mo not crapped the bed in the playoffs, or Wally not faded down the stretch, or Delonte picks up one more rebound against Orlando ... then maybe everyone views all those moves as brilliant.
From what I heard, almost all of those Suns trades were nixed by Steve Kerr anyway ... so there wasn't a whole lot we could of done from that front.
Ferry didn't have a first round draft pick in 2 of his first 5 drafts, and none of the ones he had were higher than #19. He also had a roster full of bloated contracts with names such as Eric Snow, Lucious Harris, and Ira Newble ... and our "youth" movement included the immortals Luke Jackson, Jiri Welsch and Dajuan Wagner.
The first free agent "bonanza" year where we actually had cap space (and had to spend it to keep Lebron) ... the three "best" players that didn't sign with their original teams were Donyell Marshall, Larry Hughes and Damon Jones ... and we got all three of them. (unfortunately)
The guy was dealt probably the worst hand you could possibly get, and he still managed to turn it into a team that won 66 games two years in a row ... and the guy still gets grilled cause he somehow could pull of one of those, "bend you over the barrel" and get an all-star for three scrubs trades that the Lakers and Celtics lucked into ... and I use the word "lucked" loosely, because former players of those teams seemed to lend a huge helping hand in making those deals work.
There are pretty much no "Why the hell didn't he make that move" scenarios that you can think of that don't involve heavy hindsight or huge speculation as to whether the trade would of actually been accepted by the other team in the first place.
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But Ferry wanted to let it ride. Like I said, that's understandable. Not wise, but understandable. We were on a roll, and he was playing well.
Again ... why was that not "wise"? ... at the time, Hickson was looking to be an absolute gem. Even Bill Simmons was comparing him to Karl Malone. We were a roster that really lacked youth to go with Lebron, and Hickson at the time, appeared to be on the rise. Shaq was already starting to break down and could of been a huge risk. Besides, at the time we had no idea that Orlando would expose us the way they did in those playoff. And who's to say they would of made the deal anyway?
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If the worst thing that Danny Ferry did was not trade Wally for 4 years and $40 million worth of Gerald Wallace, I think I feel comfortable saying that he did a pretty good job.
I've got no problem at all with deciding not to deal for the sake of dealing.
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So, if Dwight leaves LA, the Magic have the only returning pieces from that deal where they were declared losers
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He also had a roster full of bloated contracts with names such as Eric Snow, Lucious Harris, and Ira Newble
Ira Newble's most expensive year was $3.1 million.
Harris played for one year at $2.5 million.
Do you seriously consider those bloated contracts?
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The guy was dealt probably the worst hand you could possibly get,
He had LeBron James on his team.
Are you kidding me?
Do you really consider having the best young superstar in the NBA and cap space to play with to be the worst possible situation you could have?
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If the worst thing that Danny Ferry did was not trade Wally for 4 years and $40 million worth of Gerald Wallace, I think I feel comfortable saying that he did a pretty good job.
I've got no problem at all with deciding not to deal for the sake of dealing.
That wasn't even close to the worst thing Ferry did.
I don't even know if it makes the top 5.
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at the time, Hickson was looking to be an absolute gem.
No, he did not.
Cavs fans and the front office desperately wanted him to be one, but that was wishful thinking.
He was a below average starter with huge upside. Ferry greatly overvalued him.
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If the worst thing that Danny Ferry did was not trade Wally for 4 years and $40 million worth of Gerald Wallace, I think I feel comfortable saying that he did a pretty good job.
I've got no problem at all with deciding not to deal for the sake of dealing.
That wasn't even close to the worst thing Ferry did.
I don't even know if it makes the top 5.
What was? Signing Hughes, or Jones, or Marshall? You know...moves he had to make? I'd ask you who he should've signed instead in that awful free agent class, but I already know the response..."anyone".
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He had to sign Larry Hughes to a 5 year $70 million deal? He had to sign Z to a 5 year $55 million deal?
Really? He had to?
Seriously, though... the way you guys talk about Ferry, you'd think he did the absolute best he could given his circumstances.
And that's not true at all. He wasn't a terrible GM, but he wasn't a good one, either.
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Ira Newble's most expensive year was $3.1 million.
Harris played for one year at $2.5 million.
Do you seriously consider those bloated contracts?
If you want to see bloated contracts, look at some of Ferry's signings.
I blurred two thoughts together ... Awful contracts in Snow and (ironically) Z ... which was a move that Lebron wanted to happen anyway ... and a dire roster which offered zero trading opportunities. The more important point of what I said was the fact that our "young core", outside of Lebron, was comprised of Luke Jackson, Wagner and Welsch.
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Do you really consider having the best young superstar in the NBA and cap space to play with to be the worst possible situation you could have?
Actually yeah ... having Lebron meant that his expectations were set through the roof. Outside of that, he had a roster full of junk, no draft picks, and "cap space" to spend on the worst free agent class of the decade. Had he had no Lebron, his expectations would of been much more tempered, he probably could of had a few lottery picks to play with, he could of waited a year and skipped giving out those Albatross contracts to Marshall, Jones and Hughes. Instead he was given Lebron and garbage, and everyone expected him to pull off some miracle.
Like everyone has said ... there's no one OBVIOUS move he should of made that doesn't include and extreme amount of speculation as to if the trade would of gone through anyway. And if he had done the "smart" thing and skipped signing any of those FA signings he ended up making, he would of been crucified for sitting on cap space.
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He had to sign Larry Hughes to a 5 year $70 million deal?
Pretty much ... if you remember that Free Agency year ... Lebron was due to sign an extension the next year. The prevailing opinion was that Ferry HAD to spend everything he had available in cap space to "prove" to Lebron that he meant business and would try to build a playoff team.
Ray Allen resigned with Seattle, Michael Redd visited, but then resigned with the Bucks, the best person left was Larry Hughes, who had actually had a decent previous year with the Wizards. They offered him a max deal because they HAD to sign someone and already missed out on Redd and Allen. Unless you are suggesting he should of just sat on the cap space for a year, while the national media blasted him all year along about not being serious about building Lebron a playoff team ... and praying Lebron would sign the extension anyway ... I'm sure that would of gone over well.
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He had to sign Z to a 5 year $55 million deal?
From what I heard ... that was insisted on by Lebron. I suppose he could of said no, and then everyone would of just pointed to that as the reason why Lebron eventually bolted.
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Seriously, though... the way you guys talk about Ferry, you'd think he did the absolute best he could given his circumstances.
Well if you don't look at it with any major hindsight, and realize the circumstances that were involved when he made a lot of the "bad" decisions ... there wasn't much else he could of done a whole lot better.
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at the time, Hickson was looking to be an absolute gem.
No, he did not.
Cavs fans and the front office desperately wanted him to be one, but that was wishful thinking.
He was a below average starter with huge upside. Ferry greatly overvalued him.
He became a double double machine in Portland last year.
That pick is starting to pan out, unfortunately just a bit late. 
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at the time, Hickson was looking to be an absolute gem.
No, he did not.
Cavs fans and the front office desperately wanted him to be one, but that was wishful thinking.
He was a below average starter with huge upside. Ferry greatly overvalued him.
He became a double double machine in Portland last year.
That pick is starting to pan out, unfortunately just a bit late.
At the time of the trade deadline, he was starting to look like a double-double machine in limited minutes. He was also the only guy outside of Andy that was around Lebron's age and looked like a long-term piece to the puzzle..
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Awful contracts in Snow and (ironically) Z ...
I'm still not following you here.
Z's contract wasn't awful. It was fantastic.
When Ferry took the helm, Z was expiring at $14-15 million, IIRC. That's not a burden, it's a gift.
Ferry wasn't burdened with bad contracts. I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Snow was the worst he had, and while it was certainly a bad contract, it was nothing that would hinder a team or a GM in the grand scheme.
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The more important point of what I said was the fact that our "young core", outside of Lebron, was comprised of Luke Jackson, Wagner and Welsch.
When a GM gets fired, and a new guy comes in, very rarely is he given a good roster. It's usually a bad roster with the burden of bad contracts.
Ferry inherited LeBron James and a lot of cap space. That's not as terrible of a situation as you're making it out to be.
Yes, he didn't inherit a great situation. But most incoming GM's don't. Ferry walked into a better situation than most.
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Yeah I remember he would give us some good spurts for a couple weeks and then disappear, he was starting to look a lot like another Drew Gooden.
I hate to use the "change of scenery" cliche, but that may have been just what he needed.
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When Ferry took the helm, Z was expiring at $14-15 million, IIRC. That's not a burden, it's a gift.
It was a gift if he could let it expire. Lebron wanted him re-signed and the "price" was already set at $14-15M.
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Yes, he didn't inherit a great situation. But most incoming GM's don't. Ferry walked into a better situation than most.
If that's the case, then it should be really easy to outline all kinds of moves that he SHOULD of made. Of course, if you rule-out hindsight or revisionist history ... most of those go away. Both the Hughes signing and the Z re-signing were moves made to placate Lebron, the year before he was due to sign an extension or head to free-agency. If you know of a better signing that should of been made, I'd love to hear it.
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When Ferry took the helm, Z was expiring at $14-15 million, IIRC. That's not a burden, it's a gift.
It was a gift if he could let it expire. Lebron wanted him re-signed and the "price" was already set at $14-15M.
How many times have you amended this argument?
First it was 'Ferry was saddled with bad contracts'. Then it was 'Snow and Z were bad'. Now it's 'OK, Z's was good, but then Ferry had to give him another bad contract.'
You guys are just offering rationalizations for Ferry's mistakes.
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If that's the case, then it should be really easy to outline all kinds of moves that he SHOULD of made. Of course, if you rule-out hindsight or revisionist history ... most of those go away. Both the Hughes signing and the Z re-signing were moves made to placate Lebron, the year before he was due to sign an extension or head to free-agency. If you know of a better signing that should of been made, I'd love to hear it.
So let me get this straight...
In order to show that Ferry wasn't a good GM, I have to point out moves he could've made? But I can't point out any moves, because they would be merely hypothetical?
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He had to sign Larry Hughes to a 5 year $70 million deal? He had to sign Z to a 5 year $55 million deal?
He had to sign somebody, and he signed three of the highest rated free agents available that year in Z, Hughes and Marshall.
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He had to sign Larry Hughes to a 5 year $70 million deal? He had to sign Z to a 5 year $55 million deal?
He had to sign somebody, and he signed three of the highest rated free agents available that year in Z, Hughes and Marshall.
So you think signing an injury-plagued 41% career slasher with one good season under his belt to a 5 year, $70 million contract was a good idea?
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So you think signing an injury-plagued 41% career slasher with one good season under his belt to a 5 year, $70 million contract was a good idea?
No ... but you're completely forgetting the context under which these deals were signed.
You're the new GM of the Cavs ... you have plenty of cap space to sign free agents ... However your upcoming free agent class is as follows: Tier one: Ray Allen, Michael Redd, Larry Hughes ... Tier Two: Zydrunus Ilguaskas, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Cuttino Mobley, Bobby Simmons ... Tier Three: Stromile Swift, Donyell Marshall, Damon Jones ....
And oh yeah ... Lebron James isn't going to resign next year unless you actually spend ALL that cap space ... so pick one from Tier One, one from Tier Two, and then what you can after that.
... Oh yeah, we need three point shooting, Lebron just said he *wants* Z back, and Ray Allen and Michael Redd have JUST committed to re-signing with their current teams. Now, Go!
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In order to show that Ferry wasn't a good GM, I have to point out moves he could've made? But I can't point out any moves, because they would be merely hypothetical?
No, just suggest something, anything, that would of made logical sense at the time. Sure, we could of traded the farm for Shaq a year early, and then maybe in hindsight we could of put up a fight against Dwight and Orlando ... but would we really have broken up a team that was in the middle of a 66 win season, to take a short term gamble with Shaq ... which also meant trading a way most of our young assets? The goal at the time was to make the team something Lebron would want to stay with ... not cash all chips in for a quickie championship, and then probably blow things up when we're trying to get him to re-sign long term.
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No ... but you're completely forgetting the context under which these deals were signed.
Under what context is it a good idea to sign an injury-plagued 41% career slasher with one good season under his belt to a 5 year, $70 million contract?
Please, I'd love to hear the context that makes that acceptable.
Look, I've actually enjoyed this debate, so please don't think I'm being a jerk, but I really do not understand how you guys continue to defend Ferry with arguments that basically boil down to 'yes, his moves were really bad, but he couldn't have done a better job.' It's baffling.
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The goal at the time was to make the team something Lebron would want to stay with ... not cash all chips in for a quickie championship, and then probably blow things up when we're trying to get him to re-sign long term.
I"m not saying what you've said here is accurate, but if it was, we should've been chasing the latter.
A ring was the best chance to keep LeBron. Rings bring talent at discounts, and team leaders don't usually walk when they get them. If you think those were the options, then the Cavs would've been idiots not to go the 'buy a championship and break it up' route.
He was GM for, what, 5 years? Are you guys really trying to tell me that he was just hamstrung by LeBron's non-commitment for 5 years? Honest question - think it over, seriously:
What did Ferry do in his tenure here that was a great move? A move that makes you think 'this guy is building something great'? How many of those can you think of?
Can you present an argument that Ferry's good moves are more numerous than his bad ones?
People just want to blame LeBron. He has his own cross to bear in terms of not winning one in Cleveland, but it's not all his fault.
The national media's narrative isn't entirely accurate, but there's more truth to it than Cavs fans want to admit.
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at the time, Hickson was looking to be an absolute gem.
No, he did not.
Cavs fans and the front office desperately wanted him to be one, but that was wishful thinking.
He was a below average starter with huge upside. Ferry greatly overvalued him.
He became a double double machine in Portland last year.
That pick is starting to pan out, unfortunately just a bit late.
Hickson finally started to (apparently) figure it out in Portland ....... however Portland isn't even going to try to resign him. I seem to recall reports that the attitude issues that caused him problems earlier in his career resurfaced somewhat in the latter part of the season in Portland.
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I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to Houston last year. I do know that Asik wasn't much in Chicago, and seemed to come on this last year in Houston. What strengths would he bring, and is he worth the cost? (His contract jumps to $14 million for 2014-25) That would impact our ability to sign/trade for a premium player. Is he a premium type player? I know that he has solid size, but beyond that, not a lot.
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He wasn't?
Asik is one of the best defensive centers in the league, he is a also a great rebounder, and screen setter. He would be a huge asset to any team that has him.
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I should have said offensively. Sorry.
I worry about giving $14 million to a fairly one dimensional player ..... if that's what he is. Last year was really the first time he showed anything on the offensive side of the ball. Like I said though .... I didn't see a whole lot of him last year. Is he good enough to warrant a $14 million deal, and having that probably take us out of free agency next year. (or a trade)
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He came off the bench in Chicago. Played behind Noah. He's not a bad player, if we were closer to contention I'd consider it, but it would just seem like a waste right now.
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He wasn't?
Asik is one of the best defensive centers in the league, he is a also a great rebounder, and screen setter. He would be a huge asset to any team that has him.
Beat me to it. 
Yeah, Asik was a hidden gem in Chicago. Little bit of a foul machine, but that's expected when you're a big man who sees limited minutes.
I don't mean to pick on YTown, but I think he just looks up base stat averages and uses them as his guide (which most people do).
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Then I clarified my point ...... which you obviously missed.
Is he worth $14 million, and giving up almost all ability to sign a free agent or make a trade of any impact in 2014? Is he that valuable? Is he a difference maker?
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Under what context is it a good idea to sign an injury-plagued 41% career slasher with one good season under his belt to a 5 year, $70 million contract?
Please, I'd love to hear the context that makes that acceptable.
I've already said this several times. The context was that all the available cap space had to be spent then, because Lebron was being non-committal about renewing with the Cavs the next season. Pretty much EVERYONE was saying that Ferry needed to go out and get whatever he could get in Free Agency if he wanted Lebron to stay in Cleveland. Hughes was option #3, and yes it was a panic move, to get him before he went back to Washington ... but the other option was to sign nobody, sit on cap space, and then listen to the media tell you all year that Lebron is as good as gone, because you didn't even bother to spend what you had available to you ... then pray Lebron ignores all that and re-ups anyway, because if he doesn't, you're probably getting fired after one year.
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Look, I've actually enjoyed this debate, so please don't think I'm being a jerk, but I really do not understand how you guys continue to defend Ferry with arguments that basically boil down to 'yes, his moves were really bad, but he couldn't have done a better job.' It's baffling.
I don't understand how you can't see why his hands were tied. He was handed Lebron plus crap ... he was given a large pile of money that he *had* to spend to ensure Lebron would stick around for a few more years ... except the only thing he could spend it on was additional crap. He had no trade assets and no draft picks.
Yet somehow he crafted a team that won 60+ games two years in a row. Sure you can say, "well we had Lebron" ... but the Miami Heat have had Lebron, plus Wade, plus Bosh (and now Ray Allen) ... and this year was the first time they topped 60 wins.
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I"m not saying what you've said here is accurate, but if it was, we should've been chasing the latter.
A ring was the best chance to keep LeBron. Rings bring talent at discounts, and team leaders don't usually walk when they get them. If you think those were the options, then the Cavs would've been idiots not to go the 'buy a championship and break it up' route.
I guess I'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. When the Bulls chased all in to win one last championship in 1998, the team pretty much imploded the next year ... nobody stuck around. Same with the Lakers in 2004 ... even Kobe Bryant almost slipped out of town after that. Plus there's no guarantee that we win anything by trying to cash in any youth chips for whatever we can get. I mean we got Shaq a year later, and it didn't really help us then either.
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He was GM for, what, 5 years? Are you guys really trying to tell me that he was just hamstrung by LeBron's non-commitment for 5 years? Honest question - think it over, seriously:
He was hamstrung by a lot more than Lebron for 5 years ... mainly Paxson's mismanagement, but Lebron's non-commitment didn't help. In the first year, it meant that he had to sign all those crippling contracts. For maybe 2 years after that though, it didn't play a big part, but in the last two, it did effect our ability to sign on some free agents, as they didn't want to take on long term deals if Lebron was going to bail.
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What did Ferry do in his tenure here that was a great move? A move that makes you think 'this guy is building something great'? How many of those can you think of?
I don't think anyone is donning "greatness" upon him. What we're doing him is absolving him of the ludicrous, "He didn't surround Lebron with great players, therefore he sucks" argument.
He was able to have some pretty good drafts, considering that he never drafted higher than 19th, and was missing a good number of first round picks.
He also seemed to come out on top of most of the trades he made (at the time anyway)
Nothing earth-shattering, but nothing that makes you go, "why the hell did he/didn't he do THAT move??"
But the argument was, "He didn't do enough" ... and the question nobody can seem to answer is, "Well what SHOULD he have done??"
I almost wish I could make something like the "Trade Machine" Simulator where you're plugged into Ferry's spot in 2005. And if you do something like, sit on your cap space in the first Free Agency, then it tells you Lebron has refused to re-up, or if you try to trade one of our crappy players for a decent piece, it almost always rejects it. I could see a guy like Bill Simmons on there wasting hours trying to figure something out, but all in vain.
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People just want to blame LeBron. He has his own cross to bear in terms of not winning one in Cleveland, but it's not all his fault.
Woah, woah, woah ... who said that?? Paxson and Gund did WAY more to screw the franchise over than Lebron's non-commitment.
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Back to the Cavaliers .... and present day NBA ...... is anyone else a little ticked off that the Kings let Iguodala slip through their fingers? The Kinga had already added McLemore and McCallum in a solid draft ... and adding Igoldala might have produced a team that could have escaped the 1-12 spots in the draft, and allowed the Cavaliers to grab their pick. Without him, the odds are longer, unlikely even, that the Kings can get out of the top 12, so the Cavaliers can add that 2nd 1st round pick in this coming (loaded) draft. Figures that they'd screw that up .... for us. 
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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He would only count $8.3 million against the cap each of the next two seasons (season-average salary over the course of the contract. His actual salary would be $5 mill this year and $14 mill the year after, but that $14 is a poison pill that only would have counted for the Bulls). Is he worth an $8.3 million cap number? Absolutely. Plus, you'd be getting him for pennies on the dollar, I would imagine.
The problem is that there are teams beginning to move for him. The Pelicans were rumored, and quickly backed away. There's talk of him being included in a sign-and-trade for Josh Smith. I don't think it happens for the Cavs, but I hope I'm wrong. He'd be a nice fit as a rim defender to pair with the stretch 4's that we have.
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Aha, I didn't know that about his contract. Thanks for clearing that up. For $5 and $8 million the next 2 years, I would be very interested.
I would expect that the Cavaliers have more assets to make a deal with than almost any other team. If the Rockets want a young backup, we could send Zeller. If they want draft picks, we have those to spare. I would think that we would be in a good position to make a trade, if we're interested.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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