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I had no idea that the secondary was even an issue this offseason. Then I read what Vers had to say and I thought. Wow spot on!
There were literally zero posts about the CB position until Vers pointed it out. Everyone thought Buster Skrine was the answer.
Stop with your revisionist history.
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I had no idea that the secondary was even an issue this offseason. Then I read what Vers had to say and I thought. Wow spot on!
There were literally zero posts about the CB position until Vers pointed it out. Everyone thought Buster Skrine was the answer.
I do seem to remember CB needs as well as Safety needs discussed..the name Dee Milliner was mentioned often...if I remember correctly.
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Yeah I do remember Vers being a huge advocate for Milliner, as I was too.
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Aside from you fighting windmills yet again as others have pointed out (yeah, you were so avantgarde with wanting a FS or CB, lol)
Why did you trash posters and throw agenda accusations around when you actually agree with what they're demanding? You wanted a CB and/or FS yourself, yet you defended the new regime for not signing one at every turn. What is it? I asked that one way back and got no response then....I don't expect to get much more now because the answer has little to do with football
I prove you wrong w/a fact and rather than apologize you try and insult me once again. You're a real piece of work.
I didn't defend the new regime way back when and I won't defend them now. I really wanted us to get Goston, the FS from SF. I also was hoping we would sign Brent Grimes, the cb from Atl.
I do think that the FO should have addressed at least one of those positions in FA. I do question the moves of the FO and I have listed some things I don't like. The difference between you and I is that I don't hate everything the new FO does and don't have a deep-rooted love affair w/Heckert. And that bothers you. LOL
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I had no idea that the secondary was even an issue this offseason. Then I read what Vers had to say and I thought. Wow spot on!
There were literally zero posts about the CB position until Vers pointed it out. Everyone thought Buster Skrine was the answer.
Stop with your revisionist history.
That is not what I said. This conversation began when a poster stated that we did not address our biggest needs this offseason. I pointed out that most people were talking about acquiring an edge rusher as our biggest need and now it has morphed into this garbage. Same old folks....same old stupid song.
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That is not what I said.
You do know Held was giving you probably the best compliment a Poster can receive.
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I had no idea that the secondary was even an issue this offseason. Then I read what Vers had to say and I thought. Wow spot on!
There were literally zero posts about the CB position until Vers pointed it out. Everyone thought Buster Skrine was the answer.
Stop with your revisionist history.
That is not what I said. This conversation began when a poster stated that we did not address our biggest needs this offseason. I pointed out that most people were talking about acquiring an edge rusher as our biggest need and now it has morphed into this garbage. Same old folks....same old stupid song.
You do read what you write...right?
Also were you reading the board closely before you registered? If not then how do you know what we were talking about before then?
I am 100% certain that everyone thought both edge rusher and cb were needs, most people believe that a blind side edge rusher has more value than a cb2, and there was a bevy of premium, high end edge rushers at the top of the draft whereas Dee Milliner was the only potential value at 6 this year.
If any of the other long time posters think I have it wrong then speak up.
You should feel honored. I usually don't take the time to respond to such newbies.
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I wonder who that new S&C coach is?
Some former East Germany Strength coach??? He worked with Marecic n a couple of others. Pretty sure Rubin worked with him in the off season. I could be wrong.
No,it's Brad Roll,that doesn't sound very Aryan to me.
Due to my involvement in HS ball,I'm in and out of Berea several times a year during the off season.
Let me interject this first,the Berea training complex had to be the most depressing,drab and worst kept facility in all of pro football.The Mansfield high school indoor field and weightroom was far superior.
This year,the equip.used for training has spilled out of the weightroom and onto the field.There's an abundance of kettle weights,ropes,pulling sleds,and I haven't seen that many chains in one place outside of Madam Helga's Basement up in NYC.
Eyballing the gear there seems to be more emphasis being placed on core strength and fitness then ever before.That's a more new age philosophy,we'll see how it translates to the field.
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No,it's Brad Roll,that doesn't sound very Aryan to me.
I didn't check but was going on some memory - all I remember was thinking East German??? He probably has the best making juices for his steroids...that was several months ago maybe I was reading a Satire article??? lol 
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the Berea training complex had to be the most depressing,drab and worst kept facility in all of pro football.
Which confused me cause with each Regime one of the first things I would read about was the Changing of the Training facilities this new that new...Considering it was built rather recently??? Or was it. I always remember reading Berea gets a face over n all they would talk about is the training facilities. lol again perception is weird n I have nothing to go on but an article here n there the rest is how I built it in my mind.
Weight room is very over rated. Speed Training, core and stamina is very important. Most do their weight training in the off season. I'm sure some intense workouts maybe in order. to push it to another level. Every year I train somebody who comes up to me to fulfill their dream on getting an NFL tryout. Comply - they think they are in great shape cause they have been gym rats all year. LOOK Great.
One speed workout with me and I see it on their faces. "GIVE UP" As they are puking in just my warm up session they realize they don't have what it would take. Most I tell to get up every morning, eat some fruit and run slowly work it to 5 miles a day...when they do that we will be ready to resume the speed workout cause that tells me they are dedicated n have the stamina for the workouts to come. None come back well my first guy did but he got hurt 3 years ago n out of football. But they are all on facebook after their workouts showing off their Abs with the Phone camera 
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Let me interject this first,the Berea training complex had to be the most depressing,drab and worst kept facility in all of pro football.
I'm surprised to hear this, as I've only heard good stuff about Berea since they changed a few (3 or 5?) years ago. Nice facility, great food, top notch weight room, etc. My brother trained the linemen one season and only had good reviews of the facility.
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I do think that the FO should have addressed at least one of those positions in FA. I do question the moves of the FO and I have listed some things I don't like.
So why again did you diss anyone around here when they urged this regime to sign a DB or two? I still haven't figured that out
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Here's a few quotes from me during FA regarding our signings. I've been consistent, always been, as I mostly say what I'd like to see beforehand and applaud/criticize accordingly. Enjoy:
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I'm probably one of the harshest skeptics of this regime, but those 2 signings are very, very good, although we "bought high" on Bryant, but since he's a DL and there probably being some competition for his services, overpaying a little is fine by me....they've signed 2 guys and both were high on my FA wishlist, that'll get a  from me anytime
Whoever it is, Banner, Lombardi or the reputation of the Coaches...they deserve credit for getting this done, good job....hats off from me and hopefully they continue making good moves
We've just added 2 quality HUSTLE players to our front 7 and with this move, barring a trade, we should not look at any DL in the top 4-5 rounds
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I'll happily say that I'm impressed so far with how they're going at things...pretty much avoided the guys I didn't want (Cook, A.Smith, Wallace, Avril, the 2 top Gs) and got 2 guys that were high on my wishlist
That was early in FA, then I criticized them for doing nothing at the other spots and sitting on 30mil. I also criticized Heckert for several moves/non moves and said that the development of TRich and Weeden will determine the final grade on him as a GM. Guess I don't need to wait for an apology
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So why again did you diss anyone around here when they urged this regime to sign a DB or two? I still haven't figured that out
I didn't. I didn't like all the guys that some people were championing, but I consistently said that we needed a cb and a FS. Heck, I made it well known that I wanted us to draft Milliner.
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I wanted Milliner too ..... until I saw all of his injuries and surgeries ....... to a leg, knee, hernia, and shoulder. That's a lot of surgeries for a kid just coming into the NFL. That's a concern to me.
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eh, leg is the only thing of note there. A shoulder is nothing for a DB, and a hernia, once given adequate recovery, is nothing for anyone. That was all much ado about nothing getting blown out of proportion.
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I was a big believer in Xavier Rhodes. I am very happy to have the Vikings early on our schedule cause once those rookies kick in they will be a real force. Millner's injury history was a big concern for me.
I know a ton of people that I really respect had Mingo as one of the top 2 in this draft but I just didnt see it. Maybe I missed the boat on this kid as I missed it with Aldon Smith. I truly hope that is the case.
The FA corners didnt really thrill me much. Several I like but they were all seemingly coming off of a potential career ending injury. Anyway, I like McFadden, I dont know if he is the best fit as a #2, I thought he was more of a slot guy but lets see if he can become a bit more physical. Wasnt a bad choice, just not the direction I would have went but last year we took Hughes and Richardson and wow I would not have drated either in the 8th round lol.
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eh, leg is the only thing of note there. A shoulder is nothing for a DB, and a hernia, once given adequate recovery, is nothing for anyone. That was all much ado about nothing getting blown out of proportion.
As long as the injuries don't make him miss time, or become lingering injuries. The hernia is not all that important, because once fixed, it's fixed. The shoulder can be important if the DB has to bump and run, tackle, or break up passes. Now he should be able to come back 100% from the labrum, but again, it's another problem in a short number of years. He also only started (and really played) one year at Bama, IIRC.
I do think that he has talent, but I was definitely worried about all of those surgeries over a relatively short career to date.
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I believe Miliner only missed one game at Alabama and Saban said he could have played had they needed him.
Oh well....that's the guy I wanted, but it didn't happen. Let's hope Mingo turns out to be a much better player.
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Just the guy I wanted too but I think upgrading the front was on Horton's priority before the secondary. Don't need a stella/strong secondary if the front is doing it's job at pressuring the QB and not permitting them getting into any type of rhythm.
Haden should ALWAYS be lined up opposite of the #1 WR, and let's pray the other CB(s) and safety can aide in covering the rest. But, unlike Jauron's defense - we shouldn't be allowing a QB to sit back and letting the run route develop while only pushing the rush with our linemen.
We will see how Mingo will unfold. By the looks of it, he'll be a rotational player and not an all-down player. But, if that's the best way to use him/his talents FOR THE TIME BEING, then heh by all means. He has a sick and lightning fast first step that I predict o-linemen to have difficulties with. Very curious to see this new scheme and how all the players are used and lined up. Horton's possibilities seem never-ending with the mix-bag of talent we have on the defense...
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I am excited too. I think one of the keys from your post is whether or not Haden actually follows the other team's #1 WR around. He hasn't done so in the past. If he is half as good as most people on the board claim he is, he should be able to do that easily.
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I was a big believer in Xavier Rhodes. I am very happy to have the Vikings early on our schedule cause once those rookies kick in they will be a real force. Millner's injury history was a big concern for me.
I wanted to draft Rhodes in a trade down scenario as well and it was possible as Banner himself said he had a deal on the table (was the Rams-Bills deal for an extra 3rd). TE Eifert was another possibility in the mid 1st.
While I liked McFadden going in, I thought the same about him: a good slot with no2 upside down the road. We will see how he looks starting from day 1, but expect a lot of big plays to his side, especially combined with Horton's over-aggressive style, and that's really not knocking the kid, he should not be thrown in like that, it's a disservice to him and the team. Here's hope that he surprises us.
In the 3rd the CB I wanted was Wreh-Wilson, who is a great physical tackler with good bumpnrun ability and height for the league. With the extra 3rd we could have drafted DE/OLB Moore for our pass rush or WRs Patton/Wheaton/St.Bailey for our WR corps. We will see how it works out but I'd prefer to have any 3 of:
Eifert/Wreh-Wilson/D.Moore (hindsigth version) or Rhodes/D.Moore/Q.Patton (BPA version and most probably my live selections in a trade down scenario) or Rhodes/WR T.Williams/D.Moore (hindsight/BPA mix) over Mingo/McFadden
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I know a ton of people that I really respect had Mingo as one of the top 2 in this draft but I just didnt see it. Maybe I missed the boat on this kid as I missed it with Aldon Smith. I truly hope that is the case.
I was not as down on Mingo and had him as my no1 or 2 in the pure pass rushing department, but the rest of his game is far from NFL ready and I didn't see the upside to become even AVG in tackling/finishing/moves/run stopping etc that warrants a top 10 selection. He's just too raw to gamble such a high pick on imho
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The FA corners didnt really thrill me much. Several I like but they were all seemingly coming off of a potential career ending injury. Anyway, I like McFadden, I dont know if he is the best fit as a #2, I thought he was more of a slot guy but lets see if he can become a bit more physical. Wasnt a bad choice, just not the direction I would have went but last year we took Hughes and Richardson and wow I would not have drated either in the 8th round lol.
The Steeler CB, Lewis, was the one we should have gone after, and there were a couple of others that would have helped. It was a conscious decision by this new FO and we will see how it plays out.
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