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Dallas Cowboys release Lawrence Vickers The Dallas Cowboys' summer-long quest to create more salary-cap room has claimed another victim. The team announced Friday that they released fullback Lawrence Vickers. That move saves $1.2 million in cap space. Vickers, 30, played one season with the team. The Cowboys are expected to rely more on two tight end sets this season, which lessens the need for a fullback. Vickers was the only fullback on the roster. The best fullback in football, Vonta Leach, remains on the free-agent market. But he's expected to land with the Miami Dolphins or New York with the Giants. Link
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we gotta get this guy
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anytime you can add a guy who was the backup in Houston for a year before getting cut (and they just let that starter go sign in Philly) and then spent a year in Dallas for a 6-10 team that had a phenomenal 3.6YPC, you just gotta do it. I mean, the Cowboys had a whole 8 rushing TDs (including a Romo sneak).
fact: Vickers had a better YPC himself than the average of those who he led (3.7YPC). He did have a whole 13 receptions.
(all that being said ---- he does fall into the 'anyone but Marecic' bucket)
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The guy has been cut from two different teams after one season since leaving Cleveland. Why do we still have this obsession with Vickers?
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Beginning to look like Vickers' career is about done.
He was a heck of blocker while with the Browns, but the offensive productivity from the FB position makes it hard to justify the position...changing times and age could mark the end of Vickers NFL career.
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Just a general reply. I know there are people on here who remember the awesome blocks that Vickers made his last year on the Browns. Whether that was 2010 or 2011. And for that reason alone,
The Browns SO NEED TO SERIOUSLY GOT TO GET THIS GUY!... Back! To lead block for Trent, and another thing, He can pass protect by taking out blitzers sending them head over heels.
( head over heels doesn't make sense, if you go upside down, your helmut is under your cleats, its only over if you're right side up)
Seriously, Browns should be on the phone to this guy Yesterday!
Bring Vickers Back! Back to Cleveland!
Not cause he's a nice guy but because I want to see the TEAM WIN.
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Cowboys going to two-tight end set. Houston who knows what the deal was, but I do know when he was in the Brown's uniform, he moved people. He blew people up. I've missed this since having to bear witness to Owen.
Vonta Leach is still available, so maybe we could get him on the slightly cheap side and have an instant upgrade at that position. Say what you will, but if you want to argue with me about him not being better than Owen, then I am ALL EARS on this. Let me grab my popcorn beforehand though.
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He's 30? Man, does time fly....
....not that age plays that much of a deal at FB compared to other positions, but still, I was a tad surprised. I guess it makes sense, it was 2006 when he was drafted.
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The guy has been cut from two different teams after one season since leaving Cleveland. Why do we still have this obsession with Vickers?
I'd rather have you as our fullback than Marecic. 
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j/c I don't know whether he would fit our system or not. So, I'll go along with our coaching staff on this one...
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What is Mo Carthon doing these days? He could consult us on running the vickers sweep.
I want to spew venom at marecic for being so lousy last season, but I don't want to hate on the guy too much. Hopefully he is good this year if he stays on the roster. That being said.. Richardson and Hardesty/Oggy/Bjax on the field together sounds pretty sweet.
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Cowboys going to two-tight end set. Houston who knows what the deal was, but I do know when he was in the Brown's uniform, he moved people. He blew people up. I've missed this since having to bear witness to Owen.
Vonta Leach is still available, so maybe we could get him on the slightly cheap side and have an instant upgrade at that position. Say what you will, but if you want to argue with me about him not being better than Owen, then I am ALL EARS on this. Let me grab my popcorn beforehand though.
One drawback is that he is legitimately crazy.
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I want him back. Him and Trent who is going to stop that!
We will get a first down every time we hand off.
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I want him back. Him and Trent who is going to stop that!
We will get a first down every time we hand off.
I agree. But would the Browns sign him again? Homie don't think so (sighs).
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I loved me some Lawrence Vickers when he was here. He was one fearless, hard-hitting dude. I used to love watching him blow LB's UP . What I loved was seeing how they played midway through the 4th qtr -after he'd been pounding on them all day:
No heart.
Like they didn't want to be there.
I'll also say this: without Lawrence Vickers, Peyton Hillis has a 500-700 yd season in 2009.
I haven't seen much from him since he left us, so I don't know if he still has the motor and skills. But if he does.... I wouldn't mind seeing him return.
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Wouldn't mind? WOULDN'T MIND! I'd pay for the limo to pick him up at Hopkins!!!
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Unfortunately, he's not a really good receiver.
I just don't see us bringing in a pure blocking FB. I truly think that Ogbonnaya will wind up filling that role for us.
The funny thing is that it seems like almost everyone I talk to about Obi thinks that he's some small guy. He's 6' and 225#. (and maybe even bigger now that he's been playing FB in camps) He is a very, very good blocker.
Vickers is 6', and played at 240# last year. Obi is not that much smaller than Vickers, and he can run and catch far better than Vickers.
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People loved Vickers because he was passionate and he blew people up. But mostly because he was passionate.
It is cool that Vickers lights guys up, but all a fullback really needs to do is prevent tackles from getting to the guy he is protecting. I think Marecic gets a bad rap because he doesn't put guys on their butts. But for the most part I think he keeps the bad guys away.
The thing that I hate is that Marecic was advertised as a guy who could catch the ball and he has demonstrated that he has worse hands than Vickers (who had horrible hands).
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Obi is a better runner and receiver, but the FBs main responsibility is to block and Vickers can flat-out block.
I would like to have him back. Marecic can't block, run, or catch. Obi? I don't know. 15 lbs. is nothing to sneeze at.
With that said, I think the odds of us bringing him back are very, very slim.
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The traditional slobber knocker FBs are a dying breed for our Air NFL.
As good a run blocker Vickers was just OK in his pass blocking.
Texans utilized a TE as their FB...H-Back style.
Reports now w/Cowboys state trimming cap room...1.6? Million is nothing in this day n age. Fact is they too are looking into 2 TE formations more n more.
Browns are looking to utilize 2 TE formations more this season. And I have heard talk of 2 RBs formations popping up here n there. Maybe like the kid Lewis - going in motion for a run to Trent or play action?
Its a shame cause Vickers sacrificed a lot (he was a go to RB in Colorado) and made himself into an excellent run blocker. I think his hands that were questionable when he left here sort of been vindicated as OK.
Still I would swap Marecic for Vickers in a heart beat...but his (Marecic) ST duties n he is excellent in practice so that I think the coaches like him.
30 years also puts him on the NOT on BANNER/LOMBARDI watch.
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Obi was an excellent pass blocker last year, and looked good on the few times I remember seeing him do some run blocking for others.
I truly think that he'll be the "swing FB" type come the start of the season. I just don't see Marecic as an option for much at this point. I would say that I could see us running more 2 TE, but we really don't have that many TE either. (especially with any kind of experience)
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Vickers last year here, he wasnt the same and hasnt been close to the player he was earlier. He misses a lot of blocks that we just werent accustomed to seeing. He would still have a devastating block but then he would completely whiff on the next 2 but most would still be talking about the one great one he had.
Anyway, I think OB will fine. He has a true passion for the game and that is the key requirement for FB.
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I wanted nothing to do with Tannehill, and I still wouldn't.
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Get rid of Marecic and take Vickers back.
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The guy has been cut from two different teams after one season since leaving Cleveland. Why do we still have this obsession with Vickers?
I'd rather have you as our fullback than Marecic.
That is true. I mean like someone said, he does fall into the "Anyone but Marecic category" so I would be okay with bringing him back, I just don't understand the fascination this board has with him. 
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We will get a first down every time we hand off.
I agree. But would the Browns sign him again? Homie don't think so (sighs).
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he might be past his prime.
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he might be past his prime.
True, but I doubt by much for one thing, and another, how much better is he still than most at that position. ESPECIALLY the guy we have now.
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For a guy that was apparently so good and so valuable to us for a few years, he sure has come down a long way.
I serioiusly doubt that at 30 they'd take a shot with him. But, a bad Vickers is better than Maricic any day of the week...
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Ask yourself this. If the Browns signed Lawrence Vickers, to say maybe a 2 year deal and it happened this week,
Are the Browns instantly a better football team?
Yes? or No?
The answer is obvious, it's yes!
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I serioiusly doubt that at 30 they'd take a shot with him. But, a bad Vickers is better than Maricic any day of the week...
I'm kind of wondering if they don't already have a plan B.
Training camp hasn't even started yet, so we aren't even sure that Maricic will make the final cuts.
With more 2 TE sets, I sort of wonder if the FB position here won't be more of a "part time position" that they may plan on using OB or one of the TE's in.
In the end, they may plan on using a FB little enough that they aren't planning on using a roster spot strictly for the FB position.
I have no way of knowing if it will pan out this way, but it is a question that has crossed my mind.
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I keep hearing that we are going to use a lot of two TE sets. My question is why? Our TEs as a unit are pathetically weak. Why would we want to put more of them on the field? If that is indeed their plan, and there is no proof of that--other than wild speculation from posters---I will be upset.
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other than wild speculation from posters---I am not so sure our TEs are going to be all that weak.  I agree they are unproven.
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Are the Browns instantly a better football team?
Yes? or No?
The answer is obvious, it's yes!
Vickers from 4 years ago,, yeah,, I'd say yes, Vickers today? I can't even begin to think that it's obvious.
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I agree they are unproven.
To some, unproven=weak. While it's not necessarily true, there is room to speculate.
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I'd be OK with a short contract, even a camp tryout. He was brutal, and left after being used badly by our O. hate the Marecic option, even more after last season. I like the guy. Think we could finish his time in the Bigs here in Cleveland. 
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Exactly... I don't think Vickers is looking for a multi-year long contract anyway. Get him in here for a year or two, get Owen SOLELY on special teams or cut him and we can all feel a little more better about our play calls that have a FB in the formation.
He's 30 years old. Him at 65 years old is probably a better FB than Owen...
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