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...Continuing the Trayvon Martin // George Zimmerman discussion... Note: Not sure if I agree with ol' Ted on this, but an interesting read nonetheless: 'NUGENT: Zimmerman verdict vindicates citizen patrols, self-defense' by Ted Nugent http://rare.us/story/nugent-zimmerman-ve...FBState=UnknownPosted: July 15, 2013 12:21 pm So this guy’s neighborhood has been burglarized off and on and the residents are very concerned for their safety and well-being. Neighbors agree to upkick their vigilance and overall level of awareness to watch out for each other and keep an eye out for suspicious individuals and behavior. It could be considered by an official designation such as “Neighborhood Watch”, but officially labeled or not, it is the purest form of Americans watching out for each other and being good neighbors. So far so good. So George Zimmerman sees what he believes is a suspicious individual in suspicious circumstances, and intelligently and responsibly pays attention and calls 9-1-1 to report what he sees to the officials. This gesture is proof positive he was not looking to do anyone harm or break any laws, but rather perform the fundamental responsibility of a neighbor who cares. Doing nothing illegal or improper, he follows the individual while answering all the questions from the 9-1-1 operator to the best of his ability, keeping an eye on the individual so the authorities can hopefully intercept and determine exactly what is going on. For reasons unknown, though I will comment on momentarily, after expressing racism and hostility on the phone to a friend in response to being followed, the suspect now changes course and turns towards George and immediately initiates a hostile verbal confrontation that quickly escalate to a violent physical assault. Within seconds, the suspect has overwhelmed George, has gained the advantage on top, pinning George to the ground, and further escalates the assault to deadly force by smashing George’s face, breaking his nose, and violently slamming his skull onto the concrete with all his youthful athleticism. George screams frantically for help as Trayvon Martin pummels his face and head furiously, inflicting damaging and potentially life threatening wounds. Fearing for his life and about to lose consciousness at the hands of an enraged, violent attacker, George Zimmerman does what anyone who wishes to live would do, and he reaches for his concealed handgun, firing a single shot to neutralize the deadly force being wreaked upon him. This represents the purest form of self-defense there is. It is exactly why people who believe in good over evil carry a gun to protect themselves from the well documented violence that plagues our country, in order to save our lives from a life threatening attack. Period. Based on all evidence available to them, the professional law enforcement officers did not hold George Zimmerman on charges later that night. They saw it for what it was: cut and dried self-defense. And so it was for a few weeks until the race-baiting industry saw an opportunity to further the racist careers of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the Black Panthers. President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder, et al, who then swept down on the Florida community refusing to admit that the 17-year-old dope smoking, racist gangsta wannabe Trayvon Martin was at all responsible for his bad decisions and standard modus operendi of always taking the violent route. With an obvious racist chip on his shoulder, referencing the neighborhood watch guy as a “creepy ass cracker” to his fellow racist female friend who admitted under oath that that is how non-blacks are referred to normally in their circles, Trayvon had no reason not to attack, because it was the standard thug thing to do. See Chicago any day of the week. With nearly 700 examples of this truism played out in Chicago in 2012 alone, no one can possibly dispute the recent surge in black racism increasing throughout Barack Obama’s presidency. To attempt to claim otherwise is a laughable lie. The jury got it right, and non-racist America rejoices that there is still common sense, honesty and decency aware of identifying justice in this country. America also believes that the entire prosecutorial team should be ashamed of themselves and disbarred for ignoring the obvious and kowtowing to the pure racism that forced the politically correct lie that only black lives killed by non-blacks matter, which is why there are no headlines, no protests, no prosecutions and no Barak Obama or Eric Holder meddling in the nonstop black-on-black slaughter in their gun-free zone of Chicago. Martin Luther King Jr. is rolling over in his grave that he sacrificed his life for the cause of judging people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin, as so many of his own race carry in in self-destructive behavior while professional race mongers blame everything on racism. It is painful and heartbreaking to say and write this, but horrifically it is true. Blacks kill more blacks in a weekend in Chicago than the evil, vile Ku Klux Klan idiots did in 50 years. Truly earth shattering insane. And not a peep from Obama or Holder. Tragic. The only racism on that night was perpetrated by Trayvon Martin, and everybody knows it. Here’s the lesson from all this, America: Teach your children to not attack people for no good reason whatsoever. Conduct yourself in a responsible, civil manner, and everything will be just fine. Try to kill someone and that someone just may be exercising his or her Second Amendment rights and you could get shot. It’s called self-defense, and it is the oldest, strongest and most righteous instinct and God-given right known to man. -Ted Nugent is an American rock ’n’ roll, sporting and political activist icon. He is the author of “Ted, White, and Blue: The Nugent Manifesto” and “God, Guns & Rock ’N’ Roll” (Regnery Publishing).
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SURPRISINGLY, MY FATHER, who is like 76? 77? years old, knows who Ted Nugent is - and quite well, that is. He doesn't know his music but watches his hunting videos all the time on TV. It cracks me up! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?!?  My dad goes, "He never stops talking." I'll leave ya with one of my fav Ted Nugent songs: http://www.youtube.com/v/nUjlTOJvDAQ
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Ted Nugent proving again to be an idiot. Shocking. 
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Nugent went too far one way, just as many others have gone too far in the opposite directions.
We have football players twittering left and right about how Zimmerman won't survive for long, and race mongers complaining about "White" George Zimmerman getting away with murder ...... but Nugent, who does make a few valid points, (while, no doubt, going overboard for dramatic effect to reach his audience) well, he is called an idiot. At least he can spell and put sentences together in a coherent fashion ..... and that's more than some people expressing an opposite opinion can say.
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Nugent went too far one way, just as many others have gone too far in the opposite directions.
We have football players twittering left and right about how Zimmerman won't survive for long, and race mongers complaining about "White" George Zimmerman getting away with murder ...... but Nugent, who does make a few valid points, (while, no doubt, going overboard for dramatic effect to reach his audience) well, he is called an idiot. At least he can spell and put sentences together in a coherent fashion ..... and that's more than some people expressing an opposite opinion can say.
Exactly, he painted a picture of an aggresive, dominating, UFC-sized Trayvon that could kill him at any moment with one punch versus a scared, defenseless, "just trying to do good" Zimmerman. I've never liked anything Ted said in the past, and this doesn't change my opinion of him.
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This is what I mean. He never referred to Martin as a huge, dominating kind of aggressor ..... just as the aggressor who gained the upper hand, and who committed a violent enough physical attack that Zimmerman may have thought that his life was in danger.
I do actually think that Zimmerman was trying to do good, though he went overboard by getting out of his vehicle and following Martin. How much would your opinion have changed if Zimmerman had parked his vehicle and had been walking home when Martin confronted him? Would it have changed anything, in your opinion? In what specific action did Zimmerman go too far?
I gotta get moving here, (or try to anyway) but I will add more comments later.
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After 4min had passed where Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon and he got off the phone with police, and Trayvon got off the phone with Rachel no one knows what really happened except Zimmerman.
Zimmerman could have been skipping back to his truck whistling Winn Dixie and Trayvon attacked him.
Zimmerman could have been walking back to his truck and spotted Trayvon hiding from him and went over to confront him and put his hands on Trayvon as to which Trayvon fought back.
Something happened and a 17yo is dead. It's a tragedy. As much as people want to be outraged there just wasn't enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of anything. If Trayvon was the one to circle back and confront Zimmerman and attack him then Zimmerman was in his right to defend himself. But Zimmerman didn't need to prove that, the State had to prove otherwise which they didn't have enough evidence to do.
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This could almost be read as parody or satire.
I wonder if he is aware of how blatantly racist this is, typing with a smirk or his tongue in his cheek...or has he really convinced himself of this?
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since the Zimmerman/Martin thread is closed, this is as close as one to it. Quote:
NEW YORK (AP) - Stevie Wonder says he won't perform in Florida and other states with a "stand your ground" law.
In a video posted on YouTube, the 63-year-old singer said at a concert in Quebec City, Canada, on Sunday "that until the 'stand your ground' law is abolished in Florida, I will never perform there again."
Wonder added: "Wherever I find that law exists, I will not perform in that state or in that part of the world."
The "stand your ground" law allows people to use deadly force if they believe their life is in danger.
George Zimmerman shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin during a February 2012 confrontation in Sanford, Fla. Zimmerman said he fired his gun in self-defense.
A six-member jury acquitted Zimmerman of second-degree murder and manslaughter charges on Saturday.
Wonder's representative said the singer had no further comment.
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/22854941/wonder-wont-sing-in-fla-after-zimmerman-verdict
Way to treat your fans Mr. Wonder, take out your anger on everyone. 
I'm sure Ted would play your open gigs. 
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j/c Unlike ignorant tweeters, Tea Nugent gets paid for this kind of ignorance. And regardless of the verdict I still can't figure out why so many are rushing to defend someone who caused the death of ANYBODY because he couldn't mind his own business like the police told him too. The National Neighborhood Watch Association stated Zimmerman broke just about every single one of their rules and they questioned if he was actually a member in the first place. So basically a guy has a gun, goes to look for a reason to use it (editorial statement) (which is not able to be disproved) and a kid is dead because of it and nothing else. How is that defensible?
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So basically a guy has a gun, goes to look for a reason to use it (editorial statement) (which is not able to be disproved)
You'd have to be dumber than dumb to call 911 while looking for a reason to kill someone.
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So basically a guy has a gun, goes to look for a reason to use it (editorial statement) (which is not able to be disproved)
You'd have to be dumber than dumb to call 911 while looking for a reason to kill someone.
I'm not going to argue about Zimmerman's intent, but 'dumber than dumb' sounds like a pretty accurate description of the guy.
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Good for Stevie if that is the way he feels . Instead of ranting and raving about some injustice ( real or imagined ) he is taking a stand he believes in and doing something about it . I love his music and even though I may not agree with his personal leanings that won't change the way I feel about the joy I get from his creations .
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And regardless of the verdict I still can't figure out why so many are rushing to defend someone who caused the death of ANYBODY because he couldn't mind his own business like the police told him too.
I've really never defended anyone in either direction regarding this case, nor pointed the finger at anyone.
I do feel that the verdict was correct though.
It's up to the prosecution to prove their point and that the definition of the law was broken "beyond a reasonable doubt". In this case, I believe they certainly failed to do that.
I do believe many people have tried to reach beyond that on both sides and to many levels.
I have my concerns about this case myself. I have asked myself the question that "If it were a white kid in a button down shirt, would he have followed him?"
I don't have the answer to that. I must say I have my doubts though.
In any case, the prosecution didn't prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt which is why we ended up with the outcome we did.
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Unlike ignorant tweeters, Tea Nugent gets paid for this kind of ignorance.
And regardless of the verdict I still can't figure out why so many are rushing to defend someone who caused the death of ANYBODY because he couldn't mind his own business like the police told him too.
The National Neighborhood Watch Association stated Zimmerman broke just about every single one of their rules and they questioned if he was actually a member in the first place.
So basically a guy has a gun, goes to look for a reason to use it (editorial statement) (which is not able to be disproved) and a kid is dead because of it and nothing else.
How is that defensible?
From what I read, there had been a string of home invasions recently in that neighborhood, and I think he was genuinely worried about his home, and others'. It doesn't make it right.
There's only one person on earth who truly knows what happened that night. The only things we know is that there were signs of a struggle.
I think people are quick to just assume this kid was innocent, as much as people are quick to assume he wasn't. We don't know. How can we?
Just because he didn't have a weapon on him, or that his family lived nearby, doesn't mean that he couldn't have had bad intentions that night. Like I said, we don't know.
It's a very sad story. I feel for his family, regardless of what happened.
As far as George Zimmerman goes, he has to live with whatever happened. He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers, and if he truly was just defending himself that night, then his life has been ruined. Found innocent by the jury, but the court of public opinion sees differently.
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Actually a jury doesn't find you "innocent", they find you "not guilty".
ie....... The prosecution did not prove your guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Sometimes I feel that point gets lost in all of this.
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Actually a jury doesn't find you "innocent", they find you "not guilty".
ie....... The prosecution did not prove your guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Sometimes I feel that point gets lost in all of this.
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Whatever, my mistake. The previous sentence I had mentioned not guilty.
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If Trayvon does not pin Zimmerman on the ground and pound him he would still be alive. Trayvon is responsible for Trayvon.
Tray had no battle wounds other than the fatal gun shot where as Zimmerman had a broken nose and a gashed head. Evidence shows that Zimmerman did not land a single punch on Trayvon but Tray landed several on Zimmerman. Eye witnesses had Tray on top of Zimm beating him.
As far as we know Zimmerman followed Tray to keep a spot on him so the police could find him when they arrived. He may have kept plenty of distance but Tray may have turned and came at him. Then the fight engaged and Zimm protected his life.
Eye witnesses, defensive wounds on Zimm and lack of defensive wounds on Tray, Existance of drugs in Tray's system and ingredients for "purple drank" on hand seem to support this type of reality.
Not to mention Zimmerman was a volunteer helping with children which many of them were black. Coupled with Tray's racist comments about Zimmerman seems to support that Zimmerman was not the racist in this story but rather Tray was.
So we have a racist, mma trained, druggy, and a volunteer children's worker engaged in a fight where the mma trained and known racist and a "white mexican" children's worker are involved. The children's worker, according to eye witnesses, was pinned on the ground getting the snot beat out of him. Injuries support this reality...and we are to believe that the children's worker is to blame.
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This whole thing shows how many different problems we humans/Americans have- tragedy a young MAN is dead. Why, no one except Zimmerman knows, but so many lies in this thing....this whole thing explodes due to MEDIA lie- TM shown as pre-teen in a hoodie- AND President of USA falls for it, says TM looks like his son= Mr. President, your son got gold teeth, smoking MJ, gun in his hand, nude pictures on phone, has a gang rep- simple media manipulation for MONEY, why was GZ there- black community doesn't want to talk about the thieves/vandals- they caused GZ to get out of car and IMHO, he had right to protect his neighborhood- lost on most liberals, confrontation- between a Hispanic male and black young male- NOT white on black as reported- two minorities....but white on black sells, problem...problem, prosecution holds back evidence- defense given TM phone info late or not at all....where is national outrage for THAT- problem, both sides prosecution and defense aren't interested in justice, just win or loss....problem, star prosecution witness lies on stand, shows limited education, and states after the trial....TM smoked weed couple times week just like most of our neighborhood- problem- need to live in Colorado to be legal- most are law breakers.....lastly, check national stats on gun deaths- very scary, Washington DC 200 blacks, 0 whites.....just an example, and profiling isn't necessary or understood.....stats can be used, but don't lie........very sad for the country on many fronts.
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If Trayvon does not pin Zimmerman on the ground and pound him he would still be alive. Trayvon is responsible for Trayvon.
Tray had no battle wounds other than the fatal gun shot where as Zimmerman had a broken nose and a gashed head. Evidence shows that Zimmerman did not land a single punch on Trayvon but Tray landed several on Zimmerman. Eye witnesses had Tray on top of Zimm beating him.
As far as we know Zimmerman followed Tray to keep a spot on him so the police could find him when they arrived. He may have kept plenty of distance but Tray may have turned and came at him. Then the fight engaged and Zimm protected his life.
Eye witnesses, defensive wounds on Zimm and lack of defensive wounds on Tray, Existance of drugs in Tray's system and ingredients for "purple drank" on hand seem to support this type of reality.
Not to mention Zimmerman was a volunteer helping with children which many of them were black. Coupled with Tray's racist comments about Zimmerman seems to support that Zimmerman was not the racist in this story but rather Tray was.
So we have a racist, mma trained, druggy, and a volunteer children's worker engaged in a fight where the mma trained and known racist and a "white mexican" children's worker are involved. The children's worker, according to eye witnesses, was pinned on the ground getting the snot beat out of him. Injuries support this reality...and we are to believe that the children's worker is to blame.
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I guess I must be losing it. I thought that was pretty spot on and very well written. What was over the top? There's a reason he was found not guilty and should not have been charged, the media created this mess.
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The entire essay?
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You really didn't find it over the top? By comparison, would you find the following statement over the top? : Quote:
Zimmerman, who has a history of dishonesty and violent behavior, stalked the unarmed teen boy, and a confrontation ensued. After a scuffle, the teen was shot, which is to be expected given Zimmerman's propensity for paranoia and violence.
Is that spot on?
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You'd have to be dumber than dumb to call 911 while looking for a reason to kill someone.
Well you pretty much wrapped my opinion of Zimmerman.
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Is that spot on?
No, that's your twisting of the facts. Nugent used facts, you produced your own, using a baseless set of facts produced by a media with an agenda. I'm surprised you didn't use a comparison to George Bush somewhere
Don't bother with one of your long winded self glorifying retorts, I could care less.
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No, that's your twisting of the facts. Nugent used facts, you produced your own, using a baseless set of facts produced by a media with an agenda.
No, I did exactly what Nugent did.
Would you care to break down where I made up baseless claims, and where Nugent did not?
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"I'm going to say something illogical. Don't bother to reply, because I don't really care, despite my overly sensitive and angry tone." 
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Ted is one hilarious racist. Ted Nugent Jokes He Wants To Shoot South Central LA Citizens As reported by Mediaite, Ted Nugent recently joked about using his hunting skills to shoot… people! He joked about shooting people in South Central Los Angeles just like he does to feral hogs in Texas. The musician has bragged int he past that he killed 455 feral pigs. He did this to help a program that aims to decrease the crop-destroying pig population in Texas. He said, “We distributed tons of the most delicious pork to the soup kitchens and homeless shelters of this state. Everything we did was perfect – win win win.” The gun enthusiast made the joke about gunning down LA citizens in a Washington Post profile. Apparently, it’s a story he loves to tell — he told it again during a speech he gave in San Antonio. “Lots of places have a hog problem. In Texas, the hogs have a Ted problem,” Nugent said. He said he shot them with an M4 machine gun. “And four hours later, I had 450 dead hogs.” After some applause, he added, “And now if they would just take me to South Central. … Okay! I kid.” For those of you who don’t know, South Central LA is a mostly black area. It has gotten a reputation for being the primary grounds for gang activity of LA. It is also where the Rodney King riots started in 1992. I’m sure it will be amusing to watch the liberals react when they catch wind of Nugent’s newest joke. This one is ripe for attacks. Your thoughts? Let us know below.
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I think too many people are getting caught up in the media's story - and not the facts laid out in the court room. Jfan did a decent job of laying out the bias and flat out lies the media put on tv.
The facts, in the courtroom, were apparently much different than the opinions the media put out.
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"If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year. Why are you laughing? Do you think that's funny? That's not funny at all. I'm serious as a heart attack."
- Ted Nugent, April 12, 2012
Apparently he and Derek Anderson hang out.
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I've actually had dinner with Ted Nugent. He was very polite, and interesting to talk to, but, man, what a moron.
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And regardless of the verdict I still can't figure out why so many are rushing to defend someone who caused the death of ANYBODY because he couldn't mind his own business like the police told him too.
No police officer told him to mind his own business. NONE. Since that never happened, your whole argument is lost because such is the BASIS of your point. The basis of your argument never happened.
A 911 dispatcher - not a police officer - told him "we don't need you to do that". Such is a far cry from what people like you continue to claim as fact.
That does not make Z innocent...it just makes your claim in that regard totally and completely irrelevant.
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According to this site: Stevie Wonder Tour Dates 2013 — Stevie Wonder Concert Dates and Tickets | Songkick http://www.songkick.com/artists/525345-stevie-wonderStevie Wonder has 3 concert dates the rest of the year .... 1 in New York, and 2 in Brazil. Is his "stance" really going to have any effect at all?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Is his "stance" really going to have any effect at all?
First of all, I'm not sure why you put the word stance in quotation marks. What was your point there?
Secondly, who said it had to have an effect?
Lastly, yes, going by recent history, there's a good chance it will have an effect, most likely short-term.
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So he's protesting the stand your ground rule whereas zimmerman was acquitted because of self defense.... Makes sense  I do appreciate this type of protest rather than th few idiots out there who are attacking Hispanics "for trayvon"
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I just find it funny that a guy with a total of 3 concerts the rest of the year, none of which are in Florida, and only one of which is in the US, is going to refuse to perform in Florida.
Maybe he truly is saying this as a matter of principle ..... but i wonder if it holds if he gets an offer to perform in Florida next year, as one of only a couple of concerts overall.
Yeah, I agree that the irony in protesting what the verdict wasn't is rather striking though.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Just so you're clear... Stevie plays where he wants when he wants. He's not playing in Florida because chooses. Not because Florida didn't chose him. He could play 364 nights a year if he chose. Clubs and theaters would clammer for him. He chose to play 3 or whatever.
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Is it bad that I agree with about 2/3rds of this ridiculous rant?
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