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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Another year, another round of exaggeration from President Barack Obama and his administration about health insurance rebates.

In his speech defending his health care law Thursday, Obama said rebates averaging $100 are coming from insurance companies to 8.5 million Americans. In fact, most of the money is going straight to employers who provide health insurance, not to their workers, who benefit indirectly.

Obama danced around that reality in remarks that also blamed problems in establishing affordable insurance markets on political opponents, glossing over complex obstacles also faced in states that support the law.

A look at some of his claims and how they compare with the facts:

—"Last year, millions of Americans opened letters from their insurance companies. But instead of the usual dread that comes from getting a bill, they were pleasantly surprised with a check. In 2012, 13 million rebates went out, in all 50 states. Another 8.5 (million) rebates are being sent out this summer, averaging around 100 bucks each."

— After introducing several people who got rebate checks last year: "And this is happening all across the country. And it's happening because of the Affordable Care Act. Hasn't been reported on a lot. I bet if you took a poll, most folks wouldn't know when that check comes in that this was because of Obamacare that they got this extra money in their pockets. But that's what's happening."

—" If they're (insurers) not spending your premium dollars on your health care — at least 80 percent of it — they've got to give you some money back."

THE FACTS: Just as he did a year ago, Obama made a splashy announcement about rebates that incorporates misleading advertising.

The health care law requires insurance companies that spend too much on administrative expenses to issue rebates to customers. But those customers are often employers that in turn offer insurance to workers and bear the bulk of the costs. In workplace plans, the rebate goes to the employer, which must use it for the company health plan but does not have to pass all or part of it on to the worker. People who buy their own insurance and qualify for a rebate get it directly.

Obama was on solid ground in saying "millions of Americans" got rebate checks last year, but the number was not close to 13 million as he implied.

Of the 12.8 million rebates announced last year, health policy experts estimated 3 million would go directly to the insured. The government didn't know how many.

Nearly two-thirds of the 12.8 million were only entitled to pro-rated and decidedly modest rebates, because they were covered by employers that pay most of their premiums. Workers typically pay about 20 percent of the premium for single coverage, 30 percent for a family plan. Employers pay the rest.

And employers can use all the rebate money, including the workers' share, to benefit the company health plan, perhaps restraining premiums a bit or otherwise improving the bottom line. The law requires insurers to spend at least 80 percent of premiums they collect on medical care and quality improvement, or return the difference to consumers and employers.

Altogether, this year's rebates are worth $500 million, down from $1.1 billion returned last year. The government says the lower rebates mean insurance companies are becoming more efficient.

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—"I'm curious, what do opponents of this law think the folks here today should do with the money they were reimbursed? Should they send it back to the insurance companies?"

THE FACTS: Even in that unlikely event, most people could not send it back to insurance companies because the money doesn't go "in their pockets" and they have no control over what their employers do with it.

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—"In states that are working hard to make sure this law delivers for their people, what we're seeing is that consumers are getting a hint of how much money they're potentially going to save because of this law. In states like California, Oregon, Washington, new competition, new choices, market forces are pushing costs down."

THE FACTS: It is simply not known whether health insurance will become less expensive in those states — or nationally — than it is now, or than it would have been absent the law. And hitches in setting up the new insurance marketplaces called exchanges are not limited to Republican-led states where leaders object to the law, although that political pushback is certainly part of what's going on.

In California, for example, where there is plenty of competition by health insurers wanting to get into the exchange, an actuarial report commissioned by Covered California, the state agency running the insurance marketplace, found that middle-income residents could see individual health premiums increase by an average of 30 percent while costs go down for lower income people.

In West Virginia, Democratic Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin — also a cooperative partner in expanding Medicaid and setting up an exchange — complained to federal officials this week about delays in rules and guidelines from Washington as the state struggles to meet deadlines under the law.

"Many West Virginia families have expressed frustration" trying to find out how much policies from the exchange will cost them and whether they will get a subsidy, he said, and the state is "dangerously close" to falling short of requirements under the law.

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Associated Press writer Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar contributed to this report.


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I'm shocked there are no comments on this...

I figured the D's would defend him and the R's would tear him apart.

it' appears that we have all just settled on apathy


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I got a rebate last year and expect a bigger one this year and my premiums didnt go up. I think its working as advertised.
I am hearing in October my rates my go down considerably.


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I'm shocked there are no comments on this...

I figured the D's would defend him and the R's would tear him apart.

it' appears that we have all just settled on apathy




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I got a rebate last year and expect a bigger one this year and my premiums didnt go up. I think its working as advertised.
I am hearing in October my rates my go down considerably.




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OH yes I have been sooo lucky paying threw the nose for insurance all my adult life. I am just one example of obamacare making insurance more affordable its working.


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OH yes I have been sooo lucky paying threw the nose for insurance all my adult life. I am just one example of obamacare making insurance more affordable its working.




Um........like I said, consider yourself lucky. I haven't seen any increase or decrease in our premiums. I haven't seen any change in health care. So, for now, you're happy. That's great. We'll see what the future brings.

Here's the thing: We can't add 30 to 50 million people to health care without costs increasing, can we? (these are the 30 to 50 million we were told were without health care because they couldn't afford it. But somehow, adding tax breaks, etc......adding people that don't pay will decrease costs? )

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We can't add 30 to 50 million people to health care without costs increasing, can we?




I believe the premise is we can.


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WHAT!?!?!?

There's misinformation about Obamacare!?!?!?


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New taxes:
PCORI Fee - "Death Panels" as Sarah Palin, stretching the truth just a tiny bit called them. This is $1.00 per person covered in 2013, and $2.00 per person in 2014. Not a lot

Reinsurance Fee - This helps the insurance companies. Any claims over $80,000 for any person in 1 year will be covered by this reinsurance fee/pool. This is to help offset for the guarantee issue and no pre-ex exclusion. Carrier's didn't scream out on this one because it helps them. It will be charged at $63 per person per year, or $5.50 per month per person.

Premium Tax - To fund ObamaCare in general. 2.46% tax on premiums. Will generate around $110billion over 10 years. $8 billion plus in 2014 alone (there goes those MLR rebates), and then much more.

For small groups (50 and under in Ohio until 2016, then it's 100 and under) and individuals health insurance, there are 2 important changes to the way rates are calculated. 1. Age/Gender - The highest rate variance from oldest to youngest will go from 5/1 to 3/1. There will be a unisex rate as well. Women historically have been charged more because of pregnancy and they actually use their health insurance. 2. Modified Community Rating. Essentially, if you create a constant in location and demographics between groups, or individuals, if they buy the same plan with the same carrier, they will pay the same rates, regardless of health history/conditions. Right now, we can charge the sicker people up to 248% more than the healthiest person here in Ohio. Currently 3 out of every 4 groups/individuals are charged at or close to preferred rates. While 1 of 4 is charged really high rates due to health, skewing up the average premiums. In 2014, at renewals, the industry is projecting average increases for small groups that are charged preferred rates anywhere from 35%-70% increases. The older/sicker groups will see their rates drop 10-20% on average. This is a macro level view. The younger, healthier the group, the higher the rate increase. The older, sicker the group, the larger the decrease.

Again, I am a health insurance broker. The private marketplace is developing alternatives for the younger/healthier groups to avoid these issues. The older sicker groups will take advantage of the rate decreases, but the pools will be much less healthy. The rates in the fully insured pools will necessarily have to increase significantly to offset for the loss of the younger/healthier premium contributions. The older/sicker people in the end, will be much worse off. That's when the calls for nationalized healthcare, single payor system, will ring out louder, just as designed.

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Since one of the ways insurance companies will be able to adjust their rates to remain cost competitive is via the discounts they receive from the providers, I presume this doctor will be taking less reimbursements from the insurance companies to remain 'in-network' so as to have the patient volume needed to pay for his practice and malpractice premiums. We are going back to the days of very narrow networks.

Also, since the law is designed to increase those insured almost exclusively through the expansion of Medicaid, he is going to be more than happy to accept more of those patients. He is going to love getting paid 50 cents on every dollar with Medicaid patients vs. those covered by insurance.

He mentions women having to pay up to 2 times the amount as men, it was actually larger. Now we will simply have a unisex rate. That is, the money still has to be there, so men will pay much more. Why do you think it is that women were charged more? Insurance is pricing accordingly for the risk presented. Women have these things called kids from time to time. These claims run $15,000 to $25,000 each. Oh yeah, women in general cost insurance companies about 2/1 on average for claims paid per year. Women seek out care at a much greater rate then men do, rightly or wrongly. Do you also think everyone should pay the same rate for auto insurance? Women pay less for auto insurance premiums because they tend to be safer drivers. THAT'S NOT FAIR! Or is it just the insurance market pricing their product appropriately for the risk presented?

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That's when the calls for nationalized healthcare, single payor system, will ring out louder, just as designed.

So is that a good thing?

Something had to be done with all the baby boomers getting old.
Doing nothing would be the worst thing to do.
Do you think we are headed in a better direction than doing nothing?


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Hard telling.

My guess?

6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

I do know that in spite of spin that the Insurance companies were happy with the healthcare reform outcome, but spin unfortunately does not always go in the same direction and with Obamacare the spin is coming from all around, which is why I posted one version that contradicts another. I'm sure there are many differing arguments on each aspect of the reform.

IMO the only that will bring down the cost of healthcare is for something to reign in the cost of medication and treatment. From what I've seen Obamacare does not do that.

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leave the country for other locations where they'll be free to practice.




I am sure the model for Obama care came from studying other countries health insurance systems. And Hawaii's, My understanding is Hawaii has a similar successful system in place. I think if it seems to be six of one half a dozen of the other to do something or do nothing. It is better to do the something with up to date concerns.


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And we know how low the cost-of-living is in Hawai'i. It's why everyone lives there.

But, I know of people that have actually left the country for better opportunities elsewhere. Why should doctors be any different?

And, it's certainly created from ideas taken from other nation's systems. That doesn't mean that what they've taken has been the good from any system. It seems to be a rehash of the systems that some other country (without the foundation or population that this one had) used and tried to fit it for use here.

We already seeing some of the consequences of this system and an exacerbation of problems within the current system.

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