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I think this goes here. if not,feel free to move it. I didn't see it posted so here goes http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2013/07/cleveland_browns_ceo_joe_banne.html#incart_m-rpt-1it's a 4+ minute part 1 of a video interview between Terry Pluto and Joe Banner.. once again, if I knew how to post the actual vid, I would do so, so I ask for help on that. thanks EDIT: here's a blurb about the overall interview BEREA, Ohio -- With training camp poised to begin, Cleveland Browns CEO Joe Banner spent an hour talking with Plain Dealer columnist Terry Pluto this week. Banner, who was officially hired last October after Jimmy Haslam’s purchase of the team was finalized, isn’t fazed by the challenge of turning around a franchise that has had a winning record just twice since returning to the NFL in 1999. In a two-part video for cleveland.com and a Q&A to appear in Sunday’s Plain Dealer, Banner made the following observations: • That they have modeled their plan after teams that have made the Super Bowl, such as the Packers, 49ers, Ravens and Steelers. • That they will “attack” on offense and defense, because that’s what the good teams do. • That the new offense will be a better fit for QB Brandon Weeden, but that his future is still to be determined. • That they landed the two free agents they wanted in linebacker Paul Kruger and defensive lineman Desmond Bryant. • That the team is not for sale and will not be affected by the legal troubles facing owner Jimmy Haslam and Pilot Flying J. Check back this weekend for more from Terry Pluto's interview with Banner.
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Wow, excellent link and thank you so much for providing it.
I know many of us have different opinions on this guy but I can't help but feel he is very competent the more and more we get to know him.
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I honestly don't know why you're having a problem Hel, I don't exactly know how but I'll try to post the video directly.
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Cleveland.com Ok,, my attempt, lets see if this works
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Wow, excellent link and thank you so much for providing it.
I know many of us have different opinions on this guy but I can't help but feel he is very competent the more and more we get to know him.
I know, I'm so conflicted, this is a guy that so many have bad things to say about and to be honest, at least in this video, he's likeable, responsible sounding, honest sounding.. gees., doesn't sound like the jerk some make him out to be. Not even a little.
I can't wait to hear the rest of this interview tomorrow evening.
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I do like what he had to say.
He was measured in his expectations for this year in terms of W/L's. Said that implementing the new schemes with new players may take some time.
He pretty much said while we will be playing aggressive football, a time frame for playoff talk was pre-mature.
He also understood that the fans want to see results before buying into a new regime given our history since the return.
Many of the same things I've been saying for a while pretty much. So as far as what he said goes, it would be hard for me not to agree with his summary.
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Probably the key thing I took away from this.
It was like, no smoke and mirrors and no sunshine blown up our skirts.. holy smokes, could it be he just tells the truth? kinda sounds like it doesn't it.
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Good stuff. Thanks for posting it. If there is one universal trait I think all Browns fan can agree with, it's that Joe tells it how it is. I can appreciate that.
I am on board with just about everything Joe Banner at this point. I am pleased with the organizational culture, the coaching hires, improving the fan experience (that includes the stadium renovations), and I think much of this shift has trickled down to the players. That's important.
Only a couple things still concerns me:
1. Process regarding talent, mostly drafted talent and where the real power in decision making resides. That won't be settled this year or perhaps even next. I still don't like the Lombardi hire for several reasons but that's not for this thread.
2. Also, I hope his hard line in the negotiating process does not create friction in the locker room and hope it doesn't disenfranchise Chud if his preferences for player extensions don't go his way. This has been "rumored" to be a prior issue.
I'm ready for TC and to see the many story lines unfold. GO BROWNS!
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you know what. I cant watch the ones posted to the board for some reason. junkie laptop I guess.
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One thing I noticed was his response about Weeden.
I know I'm probably being really nitpicky, so don't get your undies in a twist, but his reaction and change in tone while responding about Weeden came off (to me) like he's not all that confident about Weeden. I got the feeling that, while Banner will give him a look this season, he doesn't have really high expectations.
Again, maybe I'm seeing something that's not there, but that's something I noticed.
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I didn't get that same impression from Banner's comments. I did get the sense that Chud and Norv's evaluation of Weeden was big in terms of him having this year to demonstrate if he can succeed. Everyone's entitled to their perspective but I take Banner's comments at face value and they seemed unbiased to me. JMHO
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I hope he's right. I hope the team is headed in the right direction. I hope they drafted well and Mingo gets 14 sacks. I hope Turner and Horton can deliver on the "Attack" philosophy Banner is describing. It would be nice to see a top five defense every year in Cleveland like they have in Pittsburgh. I'm looking forward to seeing Richardson run in a Turner offense...It's all just talk and hope until they make it happen though. This will be an interesting season. I have the feeling one of two things will transpire. Either we have a really nice season where a playoff spot comes down to the last couple game(similar to the 07 season). OR it's a horror show. I'm hoping for the former, but won't be surprised by the latter.  Peace...
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I know I'm probably being really nitpicky, so don't get your undies in a twist, but his reaction and change in tone while responding about Weeden came off (to me) like he's not all that confident about Weeden. I got the feeling that, while Banner will give him a look this season, he doesn't have really high expectations.
Again, maybe I'm seeing something that's not there, but that's something I noticed.
I think if they believed Weeden didn't have much of a chance to succeed in this offense they would have went out and GOT a guy they thought could. They could have made a play for Rivers. The Chargers have soured on him of late. There were other avenues to explore if they thought he was a lost cause. I think he may well surprise everyone this year. but I've been wrong about quarterbacks before. We shall see soon enough. September is just around the corner....
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Wow, excellent link and thank you so much for providing it.
I know many of us have different opinions on this guy but I can't help but feel he is very competent the more and more we get to know him.
I know, I'm so conflicted, this is a guy that so many have bad things to say about and to be honest, at least in this video, he's likeable, responsible sounding, honest sounding.. gees., doesn't sound like the jerk some make him out to be. Not even a little.
I can't wait to hear the rest of this interview tomorrow evening.
No doubt. When I first saw him early on I new without a shadow of a doubt I'd do a 180 if he was a used car salesman walking towards me at a dealership. Watching that interview I saw him in a "human being" type mode.
I now thing I'd def buy a used car from him, albeit a late model. Nothing earlier than, say, a 2011ish/2012. 
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Looking forward to mac getting here to tell us that Banner is sick, crazy and has deeply flawed personality issues. 
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pdr..dub....So tell me, do you believe Banner has changed his ways from the guy who was fired in Philly?
Do you have a clue, why Banner was fired in Philly?
Do you believe the reports from Philly saying Banner poisoned their locker room?
Can you two admit that Joe Banner has never been in charge of the football side of any team before Haslam handed the job...thus Banner is a rookie at his position.
Banner's expertise is "counting beans" and I would be fine with him counting "beans" for the Browns...but I don't want a bean counter in charge of the football side of the Browns.
pdr/dub... did Banner tell Pluto why he didn't even attempt to sign Phil Dawson?
This interview is a nice "fluff piece" as Banner attempts to promote himself and I have pointed it out before, Banner knows how to use the media in an attempt to promote his image.
I will continue to focus on Banner's "actions"...not his self-promoting words.
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I've been around these boards for a very long time. And in that span, I've heard some really crazy stuff. But for the most part, it's been relegated to the Tailgate Lot or Everything Else. The crazy stuff doesn't really make it's way into Pure Football. I mean, I've heard plenty of opinions that are so off-base that I think 'that's crazy', but that's more of a saying.
Your view of Joe Banner is crazy, and I don't mean in the latter sense. I mean absolutely insane.
I understand that you didn't want the old front office to go, and that you don't like the new one. I understand that you don't think Joe Banner is going to be a successful GM for this team.
But you talk about the man like he's a depraved sociopath who likes to make other people suffer for his own personal amusement.
You invented a character in your head, and you seem to be driving yourself crazy due to your dislike of your mind's own invention.
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Over the year I have been pleasantly surprised with Banner. So far he's been very straight up actually if there is a negative he might be too honest at times. I envision at those times Jackie Gleason doing his Blabber Mouth routine
But his appearance totally give the appearance of a sneaky conniving guy...which so far has not been the case in Deed just appearance.
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Fair post. You have changed your tune somewhat and that is good. Also, your questions are legitimate. Those things have to be proven and there is some concern there.
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I am so sick and tired of people thinking Banner doesnt know anything about the football side operations. I did find a photo of banner back before they used facemasks. Take that Mac!!  
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PDR...nice job of dodging every question I posed to you...very telling to as you attempt to sweep Banner's past under the rug, like none of it ever happened.
Please tell everyone how much "research" you have done into Joe Banner's past.
...I already know the answer but everyone needs to hear about the work you have done on this subject...please tell the rest of the board of your knowledge concerning Joe Banner and his past.
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pdr..dub....So tell me, do you believe Banner has changed his ways from the guy who was fired in Philly?
Do you have a clue, why Banner was fired in Philly?
I'll play,, No I don't think he changed at all. My opinion of him, based on Part 1 of this interview has changed however. For all I know, part 2 might cause me to switch back.. or even go an entirely different direction. I honestly don't know.
As for why he got fired in Philly, I don' think you know either. I think you read a few pieces on the net or paper written by someone like the Philly version of Tony Grossi and that's where you got your info.
So, No, I don't know why he was fired or even IF he was fired in Phillly. Read up on him and his friendship with Lurie and you will see that they were friends for years prior. So it could be as simple as this:
Banner: Jeff, I'm tired, I need a new challenge. Haslam is buying the Browns and is willing to give me 100% control. I want to do it..,
Lurie: Man Joe, I hate to see you go, we've been friends for years, but you know I'd never stand in your way..
Banner: Our friendship won't change man,, we'll always be friends
Lurie: I'll miss you Joe, but good luck.
Oddly enough, his change of role in Philly coincides with the timeline of Haslam buying the Browns. So it's just as possible that my nutty theory is as accurate as anything else.
I do know that Philly wasn't any better without him. I mean, he apparently stepped down as President of the Eagles last summer. That would mean that he wasn't in charge for the 2012 season (of course, he became CEO of the Browns in November) and the eagles won only 4 games without Banner at the helm.
And that's with the great Andy Reid still in charge of supposedly everything.
So, honestly, I don't really think you have any idea what REALLY went on behind the scenes. I don't think any of us know "FOR SURE".
There were rumors that Banner was trying to be a part of a group looking to buy the Browns but then you get a guy with Mega Bucks like Haslam and that would end that in a hurry. But all of that is just stuff that was reported and NEVER confirmed.
It might have been something as simple as he wanted out of Philly and Haslam knew him from being a part owner of the Steelers and Boom, they got together and said, we can do this better.
I don't know that to be fact,, not even close, but it's as easy to believe as anything else that's been printed..
Bottom line my friend, none of us really know what went on behind closed doors..
I want you to remember something Mac, sometimes reporters will say something with the hope that someone will respond to it so they can get the true story. In other words, make up a story, spread it, and cause the person in question to respond making the facts somewhat known.
it's a game reporters play in an effort to get to the truth. I really thought everyone knew that..
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daman...at least "try" to do some real research, will ya?
There are many sources and articles dating back years...simply making up scenarios in your head... that is not going to help you to understand the truth.
If you don't believe me...do your own research.
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I agree Eo....I have liked the way Banner has conducted his business. Straight to the point with little fluff, unlike Homie who turned out to be all fluff.
I like the direction the team is headed.
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simply making up scenarios in your head... that is not going to help you to understand the truth.
Oh I see, you want me to do as you say, but not as you do
Look, I said mine was speculation,, you call yours fact.
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pdr..dub....So tell me, do you believe Banner has changed his ways from the guy who was fired in Philly?
Do you have a clue, why Banner was fired in Philly?
Do you believe the reports from Philly saying Banner poisoned their locker room?
Can you two admit that Joe Banner has never been in charge of the football side of any team before Haslam handed the job...thus Banner is a rookie at his position.
Banner's expertise is "counting beans" and I would be fine with him counting "beans" for the Browns...but I don't want a bean counter in charge of the football side of the Browns.
pdr/dub... did Banner tell Pluto why he didn't even attempt to sign Phil Dawson?
This interview is a nice "fluff piece" as Banner attempts to promote himself and I have pointed it out before, Banner knows how to use the media in an attempt to promote his image.
I will continue to focus on Banner's "actions"...not his self-promoting words.
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PDR...nice job of dodging every question I posed to you...very telling to as you attempt to sweep Banner's past under the rug, like none of it ever happened.
Please tell everyone how much "research" you have done into Joe Banner's past.
...I already know the answer but everyone needs to hear about the work you have done on this subject...please tell the rest of the board of your knowledge concerning Joe Banner and his past.
mac, first, YES I have read virtually everything on Banner from the local Browns beat writers to the official Browns journalists and on to many, many web searches, even into the deep past on Banner and writings from Philly publications by their local beat writers and their official journilists and the national media regarding his time in Phily from the beginning all the way up to his leaving the club including the articles outlining his relationship with the Philly's owner and his conversations with Haslam all the way up to his hiring here at Cleveland and beyond.
You are not remarkable nor do you obtain any special level of understanding simply because you search the internet looking for articles. You would have to do more than that. We all do at least that. Kids do that.
What would make you special is if you could collect all the thoughts from all the articles you've read and gather them into a comprehensive, logical conclusion that would actually make sense to the degree that you would enlighten others in your findings. You don't have that. I have read everything too and do not come away with the same conclusions as you do.
Because the difference between me and you is I didn't immediately form an opinion and then go on to read and study everything available from the internet in order to strengthen my opinion while ignoring anything that didn't fit it. I read to learn and don't form an opinion until I've seen all the evidence.
That makes us very different. So does this... I don't have an opinion that is so close to my heart and that I've pounded it over and over to the degree that I can't give it up for fear of the appearance of being wrong. When you are proven wrong you go find a blog from Joe Blow and post a quote from him that bolsters your argument as though Joe Blow knows everything and is a perfect back-up to your theory.
An NO, I'm not going to get into a debate with you regarding Phil Dawson, Banner's past, what he is likely to do in the future, whether or not he'd poisoned the Philly's locker room, whether or not he has "changed his ways", how much experience he has on the football side of an organization, if he hates every player over 30 years old or anything regarding the size of his dick.
There are two main reasons for that...
One: In my 12 years of posting on this message board you have never, ever directly answered any question I have ever asked you.
All you've ever done is post a "quote" from some article you read, (sometimes from some very questionable sources), and expect me to comprehend the "quote" in a way that would cause me to come to the same conclusion you did when you read it.
Most times you simply ignore the question making it look like you don't have an answer which in fact is most likely the case.
On the other hand, when you ask a question you expect your tormentor to answer in great detail and go an a web search to gather "quotes" and provide links to articles they've read in an effort fully and completely back up their responses to you and you will relentlessly, over and over, require them to answer your question as though you feel their life depended on it.
You explain nothing except your conclusion with no mental logic to give a hint at how you arrived at that conclusion other than those "quotes" as if they were the be-all-end-all on the subject.
You remind me of a past member on here from long ago who thought that if he posted the exact same thing over and over and over and over and over that it would eventually become valid. Sorry, that approach isn't working with anybody.
Two: I could care less what your opinion is on anything let alone try to change it.
You long ago decided on your knee-jerk opinion and have spent the entire off-season looking for proof that your opinion is right. I've got news for you, nothing you posted or read or argued or pounded with your gavel-of-authority-because-you-read-it-on-the-internet-viewpoint has ever shown you to be right nor even worthy of debate on any subject.
You are so one-minded that no one has ever been able to get through to you.
I'll end this by asking you ONE QUESTION that I know you will not answer because you never do answer questions:
Does it seem odd to you that absolutely not one of all the Browns fans on this message board can fully get on board with your viewpoints?
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Good point, but I also want to be fair, Mac has had moments and thoughts that do indeed make sense. they may or may not be factual, but at least they are worth looking at.
Otherwise, I do get your drift on him.. just felt it myself a few posts up.. LOL
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Gargamel. Banner. Separated at birth.
One thing I will say is that Banner really screwed the pooch on the way he and the Eagles front office handled the Brian Dawkins situation. But he admitted that he regrets it and I'm sure he learned from it.
I just hope he makes decisions that get us winning soon. As in now. I'm tired of losing.
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Gargamel. Banner. Separated at birth.
One thing I will say is that Banner really screwed the pooch on the way he and the Eagles front office handled the Brian Dawkins situation. But he admitted that he regrets it and I'm sure he learned from it.
I just hope he makes decisions that get us winning soon. As in now. I'm tired of losing.
We've all made decisions we'd like "do overs" for. the key, as you put it, is to learn from them. But dwelling on them as if they are what defines us, well, let's be honest, it's not productive.
Banner doesn't strike me as a man that dwells on his mistakes...
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I'm sure has learned from that and likely every time a similar situation comes up he refers back to it in an effort to be sure he's not making the same mistake.
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I think we've seen the same situation here in regards to how fans and the media at large view FO's in the past.
Some will say they are saviors and some will swear they are Satan. I did a lot of research on Banner myself. There are signs pointing in different directions depending on who you listen to.
I'm not sold on anyone thus far. They have accomplished nothing on the field of play. But what I also won't do is take the most negative, ( I know in Lombardi's case when looking at his track record thus far) , or the most positive in terms of all of them, and take it at face value. Banner was in Philly so long, each side dug in their heels. So if you read through it all, you get two distinctly different views.
Do I have a concern that the way Banner has handled contract negotiations in the past may effect the locker room? Yes I see that as a possibility. But I don't see anything written in stone that it will.
I have concerns about everyone in this scenario in regards to this FO. But it's really nothing new is it? We've seen so many before come here and fail that I think, at least some of us, are conditioned to be somewhat skeptical at this stage. Even Banner himself eluded to it.
I'm in the "wait and see" stage. I don't give them credit for results I haven't seen just as I won't lambaste them for results I haven't seen.
I think we are far too early in this process for anyone to make a blanket statement on what we will see moving forward. But as Browns fans, I feel we should all hope for the best.
JMHO
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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PDR...nice job of dodging every question I posed to you...very telling to as you attempt to sweep Banner's past under the rug, like none of it ever happened.
Please tell everyone how much "research" you have done into Joe Banner's past.
...I already know the answer but everyone needs to hear about the work you have done on this subject...please tell the rest of the board of your knowledge concerning Joe Banner and his past.
I'm not dodging your questions.
My previous post had nothing to do with Joe Banner's performance as a general manager. I know your opinion on that front.
We could say for argument's sake that we both agree completely that Banner was a miserable failure in Philadelphia, and will be a miserable failure in Cleveland. That's not my point of contention.
I was speaking more to your warped and insane view of Joe Banner.
If you want to ask me some questions or make some points regarding what I was addressing, feel free, and we can discuss them. But I'm talking on the front where you paint Joe Banner as having sociopath-like mental problems, not being a bad general manager who isn't ready to handle football operations.
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hey mac never let a good emotion interfer with fact,.
banner was fired in philly
lombardi is regarted as a total idiot in oakland by a hall of fame player.
If you love cleveland a lineman switching to linebacker that had 5 sacks in college is going to make this team 7-9 one game out of the playoffs.
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Because the difference between me and you is I didn't immediately form an opinion and then go on to read and study everything available from the internet in order to strengthen my opinion while ignoring anything that didn't fit it. I read to learn and don't form an opinion until I've seen all the evidence.
That makes us very different. So does this... I don't have an opinion that is so close to my heart and that I've pounded it over and over to the degree that I can't give it up for fear of the appearance of being wrong. When you are proven wrong you go find a blog from Joe Blow and post a quote from him that bolsters your argument as though Joe Blow knows everything and is a perfect back-up to your theory.
Man, you have a knack for nailing things. Nothing could be more true.
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