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PD Link McFadden agrees to 4-year deal according to link, leaving Mingo as only unsigned drafted rookie for the Browns.
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 This is great news!
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This is very good news. Welcome to the Browns, McFadden.
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good news. I'm desperately hoping that he will be able to compete for a starting job by the end of the year.
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By the end of the year? I'm hoping he'll be competing right away. Please please please don't let Skrine be the starter opposite Haden. I love Buster, just not as our #2.
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I wouldn't say Buster would be our 2 cb ... I see Chris Owens starting the year opposite Haden.
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Very good news to have McFadden signed. Even better when you consider that now all focus and effort can be directed to bringing the Mingo deal to closure.
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Whew. A bit relieved here as it's no doubt the D backfield is one of the biggest concerns.
Still is a concern but it's good to see he won't miss any TC.
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j/c Good thing we traded our round 4&5 picks, or else at this rate, we wouldn't get around to Mingo until September/October...  . "Now you know the rest of the story"...thank you Paul.
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j/c Good thing we traded our round 4&5 picks, or else at this rate, we wouldn't get around to Mingo until September/October... . "Now you know the rest of the story"...thank you Paul.
I know, right?? I mean, it's totally impossible to talk to more than one agent at a time, so Mingo would absolutely have to wait until we finished the others!
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I wouldn't say Buster would be our 2 cb ... I see Chris Owens starting the year opposite Haden.
It appears that Owen has the edge right now. He might be a sleeper, but I think he is more of a nickel corner. He is also somewhat undersized. He can run well enough and tackles well, but has been known to struggle against bigger WRs.
Perhaps Owens will start the year, but McFadden will get more and more playing time as the year progresses?
I still think we need another corner. It seems that McFadden, Owens, and Skrine have a lot of similarities and are more suited to covering the slot guy in nickel and dime situations. I would say that McFadden has the best shot of transitioning into a long-term starting cb.
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j/c Good thing we traded our round 4&5 picks, or else at this rate, we wouldn't get around to Mingo until September/October... . "Now you know the rest of the story"...thank you Paul.
Don't we have guys signing late EVERY year, or is this just a "Banner thing?"
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btw...wondering how many Rookie first rounders have yet to sign.
Especially the top 10 picks as a perspective thing???
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I think it was said that 3 of the top 10 picks have signed on the Mingo thread. They didn't have the offset language in their contracts. I think the other 7 clubs may want that as part of the contract. I'm not sure I am correct about that, though. I think that is what it said. I got a little derailed by mac saying Banner was mentally ill. 
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j/c Good thing we traded our round 4&5 picks, or else at this rate, we wouldn't get around to Mingo until September/October... . "Now you know the rest of the story"...thank you Paul.
Don't we have guys signing late EVERY year, or is this just a "Banner thing?"
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Really curious of how good of a corner he will be, especially opposite of Joe Haden. Looks like the #2 spot is his.
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Just a thought on Skrine. Last year he had quite a few inteference flags. Not good for sure, but there is a positive in that....that means he was with his guy and not just blown out of the water.
This is his 3rd year. Maybe things will click and he gets his hands off the receiver and on to the ball more.
I wouldn't write him off just yet.
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Just a thought on Skrine. Last year he had quite a few inteference flags. Not good for sure, but there is a positive in that....that means he was with his guy and not just blown out of the water.
This is his 3rd year. Maybe things will click and he gets his hands off the receiver and on to the ball more.
I wouldn't write him off just yet.
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Just a thought on Skrine. Last year he had quite a few inteference flags. Not good for sure, but there is a positive in that....that means he was with his guy and not just blown out of the water.
To be fair, it could also indicate that he often wasn't able to hang with his guy and was doing what he could to not get blown out of the water.
I'm not writing Skrine off, but he would have to make huge strides to show that #3/#4 CB isn't his ceiling.
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Haden gets away with a lot of contact. A lot. Perhaps he's been educating Skrine on the finer art of contact without drawing a flag but Buster is having trouble implementing it.
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Perhaps Buster is simply not good at football. That's my opinion.
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I tend to agree that Skrine is very below average. I know he tries hard and is fast, but he has zero chance when he's up against any sort of talent. If he starts a single game this year we're in trouble.
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Nate Clements is a free agent. So is Sheldon Brown. And we have 11ty billion dollars in cap room.
When we are getting worked by veteran receivers, first down after first down, I'm going to be upset.
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When Haden was suspended, Skrine was completely exposed. Week after week he was picked on. He made Sheldon look like a shut-out corner.
I haven't "fully" wrote off Buster, but I highly doubt we'll see him in anything than nickel situations and perhaps not even that...
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Although I think McFadden is a pure natural Cover guy who is going to win the starting CB job (btw he reminds me of Eric Wright as far as his abilities go).
But Skrine came to us a very very raw product. He has progressed nicely over the last two years. Yes, the question is will he continue to progress? If so we got a good CB and the more comfortable he gets his natural speed will start to show up...n really make a move to shine. In this NFL you need at least 3 CBs who can play. Sure hope Haden, McFadden and Skrine can shine!
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Eo, speaking of Eric Wright - you hear he was traded to none other than San Fran? 49'ers today is like Denver a few years ago, taking all the former Browns players lol...
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Perhaps Buster is simply not good at football. That's my opinion.
Perhaps...or maybe last year...in his second year in the league...the 5th round draft pick from Tennessee-Chattanooga was a little overwhelmed at covering Dez Bryant in a game...in a season where - at the start - he was not expected to have to cover the other team's # 1 WR on the outside...or # 2 for that matter.
Horton sure seems to think Skrine is a player.
It's quite reasonable to think that a 5th Rd draft pick...from a tiny football school...with one full year of NFL experience...who started the season as the # 4 CB....with a front seven that provided limited pressure on the QB...just might struggle against all-pro WRs...and who just might get better in his 3rd year.
Here's to hoping he makes that "leap" that we see so often from guys in their 3rd year in the NFL.
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Horton sure seems to think Skrine is a player.
Not sure why you would say that? No coach sits and degrades players on their current rosters and I've not seen Horton say anything that beams with confidence concerning him.
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Horton sure seems to think Skrine is a player.
Not sure why you would say that? No coach sits and degrades players on their current rosters and I've not seen Horton say anything that beams with confidence concerning him.
It's out there Pit. I'm not going to bother with a link because I don't expect you to believe that either.
How about a response to the rest of my post? You know...the point I was making.
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I think Skrine still has alot of untapped potential. Watching games last year, he did get flagged alot but I seem to remember watching replays of alot of those penalties and thinking WTF. I think he got tagged with a few where he lost the reputation battle in the ref's eyes and got dinged when he didn;t deserve it.
I think he'll continue to develop and I look forward to seeing how he looks this year.
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Listening to the radio show, Skrine has been praised several times. His play last year was said to be "overly aggressive" and it was said that he was becoming more comfortable at CB and getting better with it.
Coaches, talking heads, all mentioned Skrine's improvement, they seemed to be pretty high on him. He probably got more comments than any other secondary player.
He does have speed, now he has added some experience. Last year he was not at all ready, this year .......?
I like his hustle, and that he seems to be always around the ball.
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Skrine also got away w/quite a few, too. I remember the game Mike Martz was doing and he was losing it on how Skrine was holding on almost every play.
With that said, Skrine was young and inexperienced. He came from a small school. He certainly is fast. Who knows, maybe he will progress. Too early to say one way or the other.
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Perhaps Buster is simply not good at football. That's my opinion.
Perhaps...or maybe last year...in his second year in the league...the 5th round draft pick from Tennessee-Chattanooga was a little overwhelmed at covering Dez Bryant in a game...in a season where - at the start - he was not expected to have to cover the other team's # 1 WR on the outside...or # 2 for that matter.
Horton sure seems to think Skrine is a player.
It's quite reasonable to think that a 5th Rd draft pick...from a tiny football school...with one full year of NFL experience...who started the season as the # 4 CB....with a front seven that provided limited pressure on the QB...just might struggle against all-pro WRs...and who just might get better in his 3rd year.
Here's to hoping he makes that "leap" that we see so often from guys in their 3rd year in the NFL.
Could be. The Dez Bryant experience was difficult to watch. Like Jon Favreau in Swingers difficult to watch.
But he doesn't look good at football to me and he never has.
It would be quite the leap if he ever became a good cb.
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It will be interesting to see how our 5 foot 9 cornerback can defend a tall receiver.
Whenever I see a lineup like ^that^ I always say the same thing: Just throw it up high to the receiver.....
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Skrine also got away w/quite a few, too. I remember the game Mike Martz was doing and he was losing it on how Skrine was holding on almost every play.
With that said, Skrine was young and inexperienced. He came from a small school. He certainly is fast. Who knows, maybe he will progress. Too early to say one way or the other.
He is also a very sure and very willing tackler.
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You were making a point that it's "reasonable" to expect him to be better going into his 3rd year. It's also "reasonable" to expect that since he went to a small school, he may never reach the talent level to be a good cover guy in the NFL. Both expectations are "reasonable". There isn't a right or wrong here. None of us know whether he is a legit. #2. All we have are the indications we have seen thus far. And unless he makes great strides in a short time, the outcome doesn't look good. That's every bit as "reasonable" as your possible scenario. It's all fine and well to hope for the best, but that really hasn't worked out so well for us so far in most cases. From what I saw of him, I don't believe he will be a viable #2 CB. But I would rather you be right if that makes any difference. And I would really like for you to show me one NFL HC who degrades or doesn't speak well of people on their current roster? Like all 32 NFL HC's, you want to talk your guys up, not down. That's nothing new. what's he going to say? "Well we're SOL at the #2 CB position!" Now to actually think he would say that? That's not "reasonable". JMHO
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And I would really like for you to show me one NFL HC who degrades or doesn't speak well of people on their current roster?
Perhaps not a HC, but we do know of one head honcho who believes that there are only 11 or so players that are going to get them to the Super Bowl...
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You were making a point that it's "reasonable" to expect him to be better going into his 3rd year.
Sort of...he was the 4th CB to start the season...young and inexperienced and from a very small football school. He had not yet practiced against anything remotely close to an All-Pro WR.
It is "reasonable" to expect that a #4 CB will struggle with an All-Pro receiver - any #4 CB. Especially when there is very little pass rush.
He played well when not having to cover the other team's stud. He struggled against D Bryant, A Boldin, and a ridiculously hot Eli Manning. Other than his play against those studs, he played well.
He needs to improve his technique and get stronger...two things that CAN be improved...and can be said for a lot of 2 year guys.
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