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Wonder if Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will stick their nose in this one.I doubt it.


COLUMBUS (Kellie Hanna) -- Homicide detectives are on the scene of a shooting that turned into a murder, and they say the suspects got away. Police say a group of men were in the Convenient Plus Food Mart on Livingston Avenue at Lilley Avenue when the shooting happened about 11:30 p.m. Wednesday. There were three clerks in the store, as well, at the time of the robbery. One of the clerks, 34-year-old Imran Ashgar, was shot and killed. The other two clerks were questioned by police and were uninjured. The six men were seen running from the scene and did take items from the store. Police searched on the ground and through the air for the suspects, but they got away. The convenience store has surveillance video and one of the suspects is shown above. Anyone with information about this homicide is asked to call police at 645-4545.

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Wonder if Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will stick their nose in this one.I doubt it.

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Seems like every week somebody makes a thread about a crime committed by a black person(s), and the poster prefaces the story with an inane comment about reverse or politicized racism.

So.... what exactly are we supposed to be discussing in this thread?

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about reverse or politicized racism

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There is no such thing as "reverse" racism... there is only racism.

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So.... what exactly are we supposed to be discussing in this thread?

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What do you want to discuss? We could discuss that Jesse and Al are racist, glory seeking buffoons... but then that's not really news. We could discuss the culture of black violence and what to do about it. We could discuss whether a black guy killing a middle eastern guy during a robbery is a hate crime. We could discuss why white people seem almost happy when a murder is committed and they find out that the perpetrator is black because they feel some level of vindication. We could discuss the triangulated relationship between race, socioeconomics, and violence. We could discuss the pack or gang mentality of post adolescent teenage boys and why it influences their behavior to do things they probably wouldn't ordinarily do.

But regardless if which direction this thread ultimately goes, I'm betting that at some point, Clem will come in and drop some serious knowledge on us.

Actually Jesse and Al are probably more prejudiced than racists.

Racism is the belief that one race is superior. Like maybe I think Asians are superior because they're so good at math or kids from India are superior because they spell English words better than other races.

Al and Jesse think that African-Americans are victims of racism.

Now since we don't want to have a thread that again only mentions attention whores like Al and Jesse let's make sure that remember that Rush often makes racially charged statements or that Fox news will push the racism card as far as it will go.

Come on, DC. You have to admit that taking a story like this and making it about Jackson and Sharpton is pretty stupid. Before I explain why, let me again, reluctantly, establish my credentials since it seems necessary to do so in order for anyone to actually think about what I'm writing before applying a label to me. I think justice was done in the Zimmerman-Martin trial, and I think Jackson and Sharpton and all the rest misunderstood the case and made the situation worse by interjecting. But I can also understand why they did get involved. I don't doubt that they seek publicity, but I also don't doubt they believed Martin was murdered by a racist. Now, I think they are wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that they "were there" in part because they believed an injustice was done to a black teenager. Now, what does that have to do with this story that HarleyDawg posted? Where is the potential injustice done to a black person due to racism? It's called a false analogy, and that's why it's a stupid question and why I have no idea what we are supposed to discuss here... But on reflection, I guess what we are discussing is the stupid question itself. How about that?

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Firstly, I'm LMAO at the 'Country' vein that ran early in this thread. Good material, for sure. You Dawgs are a mess!

Secondly, please allow me to take this thread in a particular direction:

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For the record: I've always thought, and have always asserted that "the idea of a Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton has always been infinitely more attractive than the reality of either."

Meaning this: Both were "2nd string backups" to the pace-setter that was Martin Luther King Jr.

Upon an issue as serious as 'race relations in America,' we need the best available minds working with each other to propel the dialogue.

IMHO, Martin was The Right Voice At The Right Time.... and he spoke with just the right words to get us to truly look at Ourselves. He was the "Voice Of Universal Change" precisely because of what he brought to the table when times were hardest. Those "intangbles" are also what separate him from the likes of Jesse and Al.

Martin had the gift of "Vision." It's what fueled him, and gave voice to his convictions. He was able to create a national sea change in the way we viewed race because of the strength of his belief in the power of People to improve themselves. Sometimes, his convictions were manifested in excoriations of the White Power Structure, and its unquestioned dominance over a sizeable segment of The American Population. At other times, His 'bully pulpit' was used to spur his own fellow Americans to expect more, demand more.... NEED more from themselves, in an effort to level the playing field.

In other words, Martin's message was consistent and profound to ALL of us: Black Americans deserve the same measure of respect that has been afforded all other 'immigrant groups'... but they need to Step Up, and become a viable voice in the nation's ongoing dialogue about what is means to be An American. And- White America needs to revise the 'Top Dawg' system they've used to suppress/oppress a significant membership of a Constitutional Collective. Keeping 'some of us down' keeps All Of Us down... know what I mean?

IMHO, Al and Jesse are 2-dimensional caricatures of what Martin represented for All Of Us. And they most certainly are 2-dimensional versions of what I believe we need now.

I truly believe that now- more than ever before- we need another Civic Leader who can speak with an authority and sense of balance that resonates within the hearts of both sides of this National Discussion. Someone who is as fearless, selfless, and dedicated as Martin was- when I was a little kid.

Such a person is extremely rare and historic in import. It's no surprise to me that one such as he comes around but once a generation. We've skipped a generation. It's time to find our next Inspirational Person.


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The President's personal take on this issue echoes my own. I've been 'shadowed' in department stores- more times than I can even count. (It's easy to spot... most folks were pretty obvious when they 'tailed' me...) I've been stopped by the constabulary without 'probable cause.' I've been 'profiled.' Every time it happened, it signaled to me that I was first, a target of suspicion; secondly, a U.S. Citizen. That's one bass-ackward way of living within a social construct, I'll tell you.

It sucks more than you could ever imagine. It forces an otherwise law-abiding citizen to not only second-guess what he does in public... it also forces him to consider how his actions are perceived by those who dictate the Power Structure. It's a burden that isn't born by others who share America as their common personal heritage... and it's not right. Even now- in the 21st century, I know that I am perceived as a 'potential criminal' much more readily than I'd be perceived as a musician, artist, student of Humanity or Fellow Traveler on this road we call Life.

Lose/lose. For America.

That extra burden lies at the heart of the social inequity that has always existed in America. It's the heart of what Martin was trying so hard to correct.

Martin possessed the intellect, insight, and intestinal fortitude to see what needed to be fixed, and was devout enough in his cause to risk (and lose) his life for it.

These two Gumbys? Not so much.

If Black America is to find their next spokesperson to espouse Our Next Important Racial Steps, it won't be either of these two. They are both watered-down, 2-dimensional caricatures of the kind of person this fight truly needs.

IMHO, we need a "New Martin" now... just as much as we needed The Original when we had him. 2 generations of glacial pace, missteps, misunderstandings, and misuse of law have brought us to a new crossroads... a crossroads that our aging, out-of-date, "in the shadows of A Great Man" so-called leadership is ill-equipped to navigate.

America deserves... no, check that- America NEEDS her next Martin Luther King, Jr.

The time is right- Right Now.



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Clemdawg.

I'm going to disagree with you.

You're old.

And I'm rapidly getting old. (my body sure feels old after surgery!)

But I disagree that we need the next Martin Luther King Jr.

In my world...which admittedly is not NW Ohio...I am a minority. And it's great. I get to experience so many things outside of the traditional white US culture. Is there profiling...yeah there is I guess in a minor way but it's not nearly enough that I'd trade it for white unanimity.

I think just recently to my medical experience. I blew out a couple discs in my back. I went to my doctor, who is Black..and a Female...and she's great and she's my daughter's doctor too. She's the best! She referred me to the best neurosurgeon in the state, a Korean. And he did an amazing job on my surgery and I'm already feeling good enough to be doing things that I shouldn't be doing yet!

And my dentist is a Japanese man. I got recommended to him by a WWII vet and golfing friend who had dental problems.and who thought he was the best in the state. And he's great! Super trustworthy dude who takes great care of me. A guy who only needs to do what he really needs to do.

I live in a post racial existence. There are no majorities. We're all minorities. And we all appreciate the things other cultures have to offer and we're all the better for it.

I think at this point the Sharptons and the Jacksons need to get out of the way. And I think that black youth need to not be bludgeoned with the racial identity of slavery. I'm not saying wipe it clean. I'm just saying that it's time to turn the page.

And to finally realize the true rainbow coalition that I get to live right now.

JMHO, first, what an upbeat response. Glad you are experiencing a great life as a minority. My background and experience, I'm 60+, lived all over- military family, never was around many minorities, had one black, male, in Ohio HS- enjoyed 60s Motown black music, lived 60s civil rights movement......saw blacks burning down major inter-cities across US, saw voting drives, saw improvements, saw and listened to ML King.....major problem- thru my eyes and eyes of many "whites"- King's message of JUDGE people not by the color of skin, but their character.....problem- school teacher, I'm one, retired, minorities call each other the N word all the time, use gutter language, 60s music now rap with bitches, hoos, nasty degrading words- rough, REAL, stuff and it is accepted as NORMAL.....we've ALL been pulled down. Profiling is bad, WHY, look at the prisons, the percentage black, why, cuz they are committing the most crime....look at Washington, DC gun deaths- 200 blacks dead, 0-zero whites killed in violent gun crime.....why are blacks watched, followed, profiled......check the statistics. IF, and I repeat, IF Rev. Jackson and Rev. Sharpton were actually Christian ministers......why aren't blacks walking in their neighborhood DEMAND the end of drug use, thievery, and generation upon generation on the public dole- due to "who is your Daddy", men having babies with large numbers of women and providing for NONE of them......where is the black church leader OUTRAGE on that. WE got lots of problems, blacks need to fix their communities......lastly, if our President says TM could been his son, a MJ smoking, gun toting, kicked out of school young man.......and he's President's son.........help us. PS, TM story is sad at many levels and I wish he'd walked to his residence faster and was alive today.