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I don't know, just relaying what the article had to say.
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j/c Cleveland Browns starting right guard Shawn Lauvao will undergo ankle scope today, will miss some regular season games CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns coach Rob Chudzinski said today that starting right guard Shawn Lauvao will undergo arthroscopic surgery today on his ankle and will miss some time in the regular season. Lauvao suffered the injury in practice during a one-on-one blocking drill with Phil Taylor. Chudzinski did not specify the nature of the injury. He also did not say how much time Lauvao will miss. Jason Pinkston, who's coming off a blood clot in his lung last season, will most likely start the season in place of Lauvao. Chudzinski said he was pleased with Pinkston's performance Thursday night against the Rams. Chudzinski said Garrett Gilkey and some of the other young guards will also get more reps on the right side. More to come on the Lauvao injury. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._medium=twitter
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Thought that this wasn't suppose to be too serious? Heh guess that was some fluff.
Dangerously thin at guard now because if Pinkston or Grecco goes down, their replacement is likely going to be exploited and blitz and such will be focused on the weak side.
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That's too bad.
A couple of people said they didn't think Pinky played well last night, but I thought he played pretty darn good. Weeden had all day to throw. Nice pocket that he could have stepped up into. I also say Pinky make some nice seal blocks in the running game.
I do think Lava is better than Pinky at this time, but the real concern is if either he or Grecco goes down [as someone else previously mentioned.]
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looked rusty to me. not 100% and on top of it switching sides.
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Any plays in particular that stood out to you? I have a couple in my mind where he looked very good.
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That's a bummer. I look for him to miss the first 6 weeks of the season. Unless someone cuts a guard of interest, we are awfully thin.
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Didnt see the game. Chud commented during the week that pinky isnt at 100% yet. If he is playing well while under 100% that sounds promising to me; assuming his health continues to improve.
Thank goodness we traded some magic beans for Greco, not sure what the rams were thinking. I can't recall what kind of guard depth weve had in the past (enoch demar?) but it is a relief to have pinky stepping in instead of some scrub.
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well he looked a little slow in this one. 
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not really any particular plays. just had less oomph than normal. didn't go to the spot where he was to block with the same speed he was at the end of his rookie year. nothing major mind you. just think he is still learning the right side and still not 100% shape.
jmo of course.
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Not really. I never heard of the guy in college. Heck, I didn't know he was white until last night. LOL
I tried watching him last night, but it's hard on TV. You can see some blocking, but as soon as the RB is stopped, the camera moves off the pile and it is hard to identify numbers. I find that very frustrating.
From what little I saw, it looked like he did alright........but, it was hard to see. Sorry.
Oh, and good point about Grecco. I thought he was just another bum when we signed...ooops........traded for him, but the guy can really play. I didn't like all the moves Heckert made, but I really, really like that one. That was a steal!
Did you see when he was downfield blocking on that screen? He is so stinking huge! He totally engulfed the defender. LOL..........that was good stuff.
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There was confusion on the snap count.
I thought he played very well. I think I read something where Chud said he played well last night, too. Can't remember where.
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yea I know. it was a joke lol. just don't think he is 100% and I think he still learning the right guard spot. the more he plays it the better he will get. right now? lost is a little strong but thinking about it instead of just doing would be more like it. jmo
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Yes...what is our depth at OG now? Gilkey, Shaw, Cousins?
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I just had a sinking feeling not hearing anything for as long as we did, did not indicate a good outcome.
Hope it is something fairly minor so he won't have to miss many games.
I thought Pinkston did pretty well overall in his absence.
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Cleveland Browns starting right guard Shawn Lauvao out about six weeks with ankle scope and sprain, could miss two or three games
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns starting right guard Shawn Lauvao is expected to be out about six weeks after undergoing arthroscopic ankle surgery today, meaning he could miss the first two to three weeks of the season, a league source said.
Lauvao, the Browns third-round pick in 2010, had a piece of loose cartilage removed the ankle, and also suffered a high ankle sprain.
Jason Pinkston, who's working his way back into shape after being out of football for seven months following a blood clot in his lung, is expected to start in Lauvao's place.
"He'll miss some time early in the season, but I don’t have any definitive dates and times on that,'' Chudzinski said today on a conference call. "We'll just have to see how that goes from the results of the scope and how he’ll progress over the next few weeks.''
Lauvao, who's started the past two seasons at right guard, suffered the injury Monday in practice during a one-on-one blocking drills with massive nosetackle Phil Taylor. Taylor got underneath Lauvao's pads in the routine drill and Lauvao buckled. He knelt, winced and grabbed the ankle. He was then carted into the fieldhouse and hasn't been seen at practice since.
Pinkston, who missed the final 10 games of last season after leaving the Cincinnati game Oct. 14 with what proved to be the life-threatening blood clot, was pressed into the starting role Thursday night against the Rams and played into the second quarter.
"I was pleased with Jason’s performance,'' said Chudzinski. "He did well along with the group of ones upfront. Then he continued and played little bit more. We wanted to get him more work and keep working him back into things and he did a good job. I was pleased with him.''
Heading into the game, Pinkston admitted that not only is he still getting his football legs back underneath him, but that moving to the right side has been an adjustment for him. Before the bloodclot, he started 22 straight games at left guard, and was replaced afterwards by John Greco, who has yet to relinquish that post.
Chudzinski has no current plans to switch the two, but won't rule it out.
"I like where they're at right now,'' Chudzinski said. "Greco's been playing solid ball (there). (Pinkston's) a good athlete, and he had played right guard earlier in his career, then moved to left guard. I think we'll work it this way for a little while here. I know that John has flexibility being able to play on the right side as well. But I think the guys play next to each other and then they start to develop a little chemistry, so I'd like to see how that evolves with Jason staying on the right side. In the back of our minds, we know that we potentially could flip-flop it if we had to.”
The Browns also have some rookie guards in Garrett Gilkey, Caylin Hauptmann and Aaron Adams and a second-year pro in Jarrod Shaw that will get some practice time and perhaps preseason game reps at right guard now. Oniel Cousins, primarily a tackle, can also play guard .
"We've been focusing (Gilkey) mostly at left guard but he will get right guard reps along the way,'' said Chudzinski. "Anybody that's in that position as a backup needs to be able to play multiple positions and play on both sides.''
He said Gilkey fared well in his rookie debut against the Rams, a 27-19 Browns victory.
"He was pretty solid in there in his protections and his effort was really good finishing blocks,'' said Chudzinski. "He showed some physicality and I'm pretty sure no mental mistakes so I think he did a good job.''
Fortunately for the Browns, they already had three starting-caliber guards vying for the three spots in Greco, Lauvao and Pinkston.
“It’s good that we had those guys and Jason has had experience there and has played there and been effective there,'' said Chudzinski. "So that’s definitely a high hope for us.”
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I thought he did fine n pass blocking, but check out the first play where Lewis got a loss. You should see Pinky lying on the ground. It was his guy who stuffed the play.
Honestly, though, I think he just needs to get back in his groove throughout the rest of preseason.
If you can, check out Gilkey. I thought he was a bit over aggressive on some plays, but he's my dark horse.
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Did anyone catch Geno Smith's injury? I heard he injured his ankle pretty badly. Couldn't find a link yet.
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Great, so no shawn and no gordan week one against the dolphins. Both of their d tackles could very well be in the probowl this year....they are going to eat pinkston and greco alive.
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Not training camp, exactly ..... but a player some people may still be interested in. I hate to see anyone get hurt, and didn't he have shoulder issues in the past that help him back? From the Sacramento Bee Newspaper ...... 49ers Blog and Q&A: 49ers notes: McCoy suffers stinger; Harbaugh wants more from A.J. Jenkins http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2...aj-jenkins.htmlBackup quarterback Colt McCoy will have an MRI on his shoulder and neck Friday morning after suffering what he described as a stinger late in the second quarter. McCoy was tackled for a one-yard loss on the play, which was supposed to be a handoff to the running back. "Just got it jammed up in my neck," McCoy said of his right, throwing shoulder. "So we'll look at it in the morning." McCoy described the MRI has precautionary. He remained in the game for three more plays. All of them were incompletions, including an interception on the last attempt. McCoy said that in hindsight he should have removed himself from the game when he suffered the injury but didn't want to make an excuse for the interception, which came on a deep pass to A.J. Jenkins. McCoy theoretically is competing with Scott Tolzien for the No. 2 quarterback role this season. McCoy finished 3-7 for 41 yards and a 22.6 passer rating. Tolzien also threw an interception. He finished 15-26 for 158 yards and a 59.5 passer rating.
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Did anyone catch Geno Smith's injury? I heard he injured his ankle pretty badly. Couldn't find a link yet.
I saw it. Looks like for sure he'll be missing some game time...
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I don't think he was perfect, but he had some darn fine seal blocks. Of all the starters, I think Schwartz struggled the most. He missed quite a few blocks and played upright too much. He wasn't bad, obviously. After all, did you see the size of those pockets Weeden had?
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Oh definitely. I had zero issues with the pass blocking.
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I don't think he was perfect, but he had some darn fine seal blocks. Of all the starters, I think Schwartz struggled the most. He missed quite a few blocks and played upright too much. He wasn't bad, obviously. After all, did you see the size of those pockets Weeden had?
Frankly, for the most part Weeden had good pockets last year as well. He was also helped that for a good part of the year he got the ball out quickly. (until the last third of the year or so when his approach seemed to change completely for some reason)
I just find it rather bizarre that an OL that is so good at pass blocking seems to struggle somewhat in their run blocking. We have guys who are 310-320 pretty much across the board. I just think that they have to decide to be a better run blocking unit. I have always believed that run blocking is roughly 30% "want to". There have been some damn good run blocking lines that didn't have premium talent across the board ... but they had the attitude that they could clear out anyone and everyone. That's what I want to see this line develop. I know that they have the talent ..... now they have to just decide that they are going to be as great as their talent says they should be. They are damn good pass blocking .... now they just have to develop that attitude when run blocking.
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Gilkey didn't look horrible the other night,, just more like a young guy trying to find out how to play in the NFL than anything..
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I have always believed that run blocking is roughly 30% "want to".
I've always thought the opposite, that it's about 70% want to. Maybe 80%.
Sure, talent plays a huge role in any job in all our lives. But run blocking, I think, is a mental state of wanting to attack. As you said, all these guys are big enough and honestly although the RG spot is a bit up in the air right now it's still not bad with Pinky in there especially once he gets his legs back under him.
That's to say that they have plenty of talent and size. But even with talent and size you gotta also have that nasty, "want to" attack mentality.
I've always heard that OL LOVE to run block. Beat that sumbitch one-on-one. Pass blocking takes some finesse in dealing with defenders who have elite pass rush moves. They have to be able to counter those moves. But run blocking is brutal, mano a mano, hand to hand combat. Nasty attitude wins.
That's the way I've always thought of it. Never played in it.
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I considered a higher number, but a TE with all of the "want to" in the world is never going to make a great pulling Guard.
However, I do see your point, in that most of the players in this league are all going to be of a similar size/strength profile. The only reason I put the desire factor at 30% is because if all other factors are the same, the bigger and stronger guy is going to beat the weaker, smaller guy. I suppose that could be part of the desire quotient as well .....time in the weight room, and such. In a way it's hard to separate that desire factor into a category of its own ...... but regardless, I would put innate talent and ability as a larger part of the equation that pure desire alone.
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He was also helped that for a good part of the year he got the ball out quickly. (until the last third of the year or so when his approach seemed to change completely for some reason)
I didn't see it that way.
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I've always thought that pass blocking was more about having good feet, a strong base, and anticipation while run blocking was more about strength, leverage, and quicks off the snap. One is more finesse and the other brute force. With that, I've always thought that the Browns O-Line was more of a finesse unit, even Joe T. I also think the brute force mentality starts with the middle 3 ... RG, C, LG, which was one of the reason that I secretly hoped that, if we didn't take the CB in the draft, that we'd trade down and grab Chance Warmack.
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I have no way to go back and check, but it sure seemed to me that he started holding the ball longer and longer as the year progressed. (outside of the 1st game) By the end of the season he was hanging on to the ball far longer, staring at receivers, almost like he was being far, far too cautious, and afraid to make a mistake. I can remember yelling at the TV "throw the damned ball!" more and more after about the 2/3 mark of the season. It was like he wanted to make sure, and double sure, that he actually saw what he thought he saw. I do think that was mostly on the coaching staff, making him afraid to take any chances at all for fear of making a mistake.
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I do agree that once Pat came out w/the comments about not throwing picks, Weeden held it even longer. But, from my perspective, he held it too long for most of the year.
Again, Pat did him no favors by making that public.
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My point is that it became noticeably worse as the year went on. It was a significant change, and for the worse. Earlier on, it seemed like he was inconsistent in the amount of time he held the ball, which is kind of to be expected. He was quick out on some of the shorter routes, and screens.By the end of the year he seemed to be second guessing himself even on those routes, and on the deeper routes you could almost see him saying "should I throw it, is he open, what should I do, should I ... shouldn't I ....?" I truly yelled that the TV for him to throw the damned ball. I do think that was coaching ..... or whatever passed for coaching in Cleveland last year.
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By the end of the year he seemed to be second guessing himself even on those routes, and on the deeper routes you could almost see him saying "should I throw it, is he open, what should I do, should I ... shouldn't I ....?" I truly yelled that the TV for him to throw the damned ball. I do think that was coaching .....
I agree with you to a large degree on this. I think Shurmur had him scared to make a mistake and caused much of his indecisiveness.
On the other hand Vers makes some points as well concerning his reading defenses and coverages.
Taking the open mind approach with being always willing to change my opinion if I decide more than one viewpoint has merit I believe it was a combination of the two issues.
If Shurmur's coaching was the majority of his issues I think he will be much better this season. On the other hand, if he struggles in reading the defenses and coverages his improvement will be much less obvious.
For my opinion I believe the coaching issues have been solved. Now if he can vastly improve his recognizing what's going on in front of him we may have a QB, but I have my doubts he can do that.
I think the reason we've seen certain rookie QB's come in and play lights out is because they have that ability to recognize what's in front of them very quickly. For them I believe it's an innate/natural ability developed through their years of playing the position. Weeden doesn't seem to that and may not have the time to develop it into an instinctual ability due to his age and the demand that the QB question must be answered sooner rather than later.
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I don't doubt that there was a combination of things going on. I'm sure that defenses started taking away his favorite looks, because that's what teams gameplan for. I think that many factors went into his struggles last year, especially later in the year.
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Very good post ddub!  The jury is still out on exactly how much of it was coaching and scheme, and how much of it rests with Weeden. Not really anything to add to that.
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I thought Pinky had a couple complete brain farts that resulted in negative plays. I have been one of his biggest fans but it was the same type deal we saw last year. i like him as a backup but i have to admit gilkey right now looks like he has future starter in him. Pinky solid backup.
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I like Pinkston and Gilky, but I have to agree I also see Gilky as a starter ... JMHO
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No offense guys, but I think it is really, really early to make a determination on Gilkey starting over Pinky. Way too early.
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I don't disagree with you there, but I'd like to see him get reps with the ones possibly at some point in the preseason. I do think the kid has shown some good potential.
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