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1. Are you saying a large amount of pot smokers would be paranoid when it was time to go to CVS to get their pack of marijuana, so they would instead end up getting it illegally? Again, you're pointing out a very small number of the population. The number of people who would be like that would be very small, essentially inconsequential.
The biggest factor in the drug's illegality is that the number would be large, and very consequential.
Anyone else find it interesting that so many of the lobby groups who sank money into legalizing medical marijuana are suddenly balking at the idea of outright legalization?
"The biggest factor in the drug's illegality is that the number would be large, and very consequential."
Marijuana is currently illegal because a bunch of paranoid pot smokers would flip out in fear of the government tracking their legal purchase of it and would end up buying it illegally anyway?
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Anyone else find it interesting that so many of the lobby groups who sank money into legalizing medical marijuana are suddenly balking at the idea of outright legalization?
I wasn't aware of the lobby groups balking at out right legalization. BUT, I'm certainly not surprised if that's the case. You are surprised?
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1. Are you saying a large amount of pot smokers would be paranoid when it was time to go to CVS to get their pack of marijuana, so they would instead end up getting it illegally? Again, you're pointing out a very small number of the population. The number of people who would be like that would be very small, essentially inconsequential.
The biggest factor in the drug's illegality is that the number would be large, and very consequential.
Anyone else find it interesting that so many of the lobby groups who sank money into legalizing medical marijuana are suddenly balking at the idea of outright legalization?
"The biggest factor in the drug's illegality is that the number would be large, and very consequential."
Marijuana is currently illegal because a bunch of paranoid pot smokers would flip out in fear of the government tracking their legal purchase of it and would end up buying it illegally anyway?
No, it's because it's pretty hard to regulate the market.
High quality marijuana is extremely easy to grow, and there's already a well-established underground market. The only way I can think of to control that is the current medical system that's going on.
Otherwise? No, I'm not going to go to Walgreen's. I'm going to grow it myself in my closet. If I'm too lazy for that, I'll call someone who isn't.
I don't know how you figure out a legal way to say, 'OK, this plant is legal, but you can't grow it for personal use.'
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1. Are you saying a large amount of pot smokers would be paranoid when it was time to go to CVS to get their pack of marijuana, so they would instead end up getting it illegally? Again, you're pointing out a very small number of the population. The number of people who would be like that would be very small, essentially inconsequential.
The biggest factor in the drug's illegality is that the number would be large, and very consequential.
Anyone else find it interesting that so many of the lobby groups who sank money into legalizing medical marijuana are suddenly balking at the idea of outright legalization?
"The biggest factor in the drug's illegality is that the number would be large, and very consequential."
Marijuana is currently illegal because a bunch of paranoid pot smokers would flip out in fear of the government tracking their legal purchase of it and would end up buying it illegally anyway?
No, it's because it's pretty hard to regulate the market.
High quality marijuana is extremely easy to grow, and there's already a well-established underground market. The only way I can think of to control that is the current medical system that's going on.
Otherwise? No, I'm not going to go to Walgreen's. I'm going to grow it myself in my closet. If I'm too lazy for that, I'll call someone who isn't.
I don't know how you figure out a legal way to say, 'OK, this plant is legal, but you can't grow it for personal use.'
Why not just treat it like tobacco? You can grow your own tobacco if you want and make your own cigarettes, you just can't sell it unless you tell the government and pay taxes on it. Most people are too lazy for that, which means they'll also be too lazy to figure out how to break the law by purchasing it illegally. We're still talking about such a small number of people that it wouldn't make a significant impact on anything. There are those few out there who would always try to work around higher costs and do it illegally, but the vast majority of them would probably treat it like cigarettes and alcohol and make the easy purchase at the local Wal-Mart.
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Why not just treat it like tobacco? You can grow your own tobacco if you want and make your own cigarettes, you just can't sell it unless you tell the government and pay taxes on it. Most people are too lazy for that, which means they'll also be too lazy to figure out how to break the law by purchasing it illegally.
Tobacco and marijuana are apples and oranges.
If I wanted to grow tobacco...well, I couldn't. I don't live in the right climate. But if I did, the amount of money, time and labor would be completely cost ineffective.
If I wanted to grow marijuana, I'd buy a kit and grow it in my home. Not a lot of money, not a lot of time or effort. Maybe a steep electric bill every now and again.
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Tobacco and marijuana are apples and oranges.
So now you are trying to get the kids hooked by telling them it's fruit? 
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No, he's saying apples and oranges cause cancer.
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I think the idea people would choose to do something in an illegal fashion when they have the choice to do it legally is silly.
I smoked weed for decades but no longer do. Everyone I know of that had the opportunity to do it in a legal fashion would have chose to. We grumbled about it being illegal all of the time.
Now people bring up moonshine. While it is true that a very small minority of the alcohol sold is made illegally, if you actually look at the numbers, it has very little effect on the overall alcohol sales in this country.
There are two very basic choices here. Keep weed illegal and funnel hundreds of millions to the black market while spending billions in our court system and prison systems. Or make it legal and tax it, making it a tax revenue source rather than a tax burden.
Anyone who wants it can get it. It's everywhere. This war on drugs has been a losing battle for decades now costing more and more all of the time. Yet it flows on our nations streets like water. As long as there is a demand a supply will be made.
Who pays the bill for that and who benefits from it is up to the people. So far America is paying the bill while accomplishing nothing.
I hear people say that throwing money at something won't solve problems, then turn around on some issues and advocate that very thing they wish to use as an example of what not to do in other cases.
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Why not just treat it like tobacco? You can grow your own tobacco if you want and make your own cigarettes, you just can't sell it unless you tell the government and pay taxes on it. Most people are too lazy for that, which means they'll also be too lazy to figure out how to break the law by purchasing it illegally.
Tobacco and marijuana are apples and oranges.
If I wanted to grow tobacco...well, I couldn't. I don't live in the right climate. But if I did, the amount of money, time and labor would be completely cost ineffective.
If I wanted to grow marijuana, I'd buy a kit and grow it in my home. Not a lot of money, not a lot of time or effort. If I wanted to grow marijuana, I'd buy a kit and grow it in my home. Not a lot of money, not a lot of time or effort. Maybe a steep electric bill every now and again.
I think cigarettes and marijuana are more like peaches and nectarines. There are a few differences and a few similarities. If you lived in the right climate to grow tobacco and wanted to for your own personal use, you wouldn't need that much money, time, and/or labor. If you decided you wanted to become a manufacturer and distribute in bulk, THEN it wouldn't be cost-effective.
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I think the idea people would choose to do something in an illegal fashion when they have the choice to do it legally is silly.
I think you're forgetting about home brewers of beer. I've done it and many friends do it. And very often you can get a great product that costs a little less than premium brands all-in.
I see this very comparable in a situation with marijuana. Except it's much easier and cheaper to grow weed. And if the legality of it vanished there would be a gigantic surge of people growing it at home.
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I think you're forgetting about home brewers of beer. I've done it and many friends do it. And very often you can get a great product that costs a little less than premium brands all-in.
Making home brew is legal is it not? The laws designed for distilled spirits such as hard liquor would seem more appropriate here. Which would mean growing weed at home would not be legal. As of now, you can make home brew and wine at home legally. Would you have made home brew if it were illegal?
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I see this very comparable in a situation with marijuana. Except it's much easier and cheaper to grow weed. And if the legality of it vanished there would be a gigantic surge of people growing it at home.
Unless you know a lot of people that have stills at their home making liquor, I really don't see how this applies. To grow top shelf weed isn't as cheap as you may wish to make it. As it stands, a pack of weed could be sold for 20 dollars and you would make at least 15 dollars in tax money. That's in packs of 20 per pack. With the cost of lighting, electric and the room needed, not to mention nutrients, then there's the fact it's Illegal, I don't see a huge benefit to growing it at home once you reach that stage.
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I wouldn't care about home growers either. The savings from court costs, prison costs, and enforcement alone would be well worth the savings regardless of the ability to tax it or not.
Being able to grow it yourself without fear of DEA busting in your door, would bring down the street cost, possibly driving many of the smaller guys out of the market. Sure they will find other avenues, but I know in my circle of acquaintances many small time sellers, who only do it as part of the funnel system. Most don't even charge anything extra on top of what they get, there is a huge network of close friends who all just buy larger quantities for themselves and friends and then split it up.
I don't smoke it, never have, never will, even if legal. But I probably 3 out of 5 people I know do.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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