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Exactly. We were great at one time.... We are not any longer.

I think this whole thing is simply about the treminoligy being used here rather than the actual point itself.

ie.........U.K. has a great "basketball traditiion". They are considered one of the greatest basketball programs throughout NCAA history.

I think Top is saying just that. The terminoligy he's using is not exactly what some of you are accepting of. But I think that he realises that they aren't that "great" now. So I think everyone is pretty much saying the same thing here,just using different terminology and differing perceptions of that terminoligy. But that just my opinion.

So, a 20 year drought without a championship doesn't drop you from an "elite" status, but 40 does?

Actually, Pit is saying what we all have been, not what you've been saying. You're clinging to history and tradition to say that the UK program is great now. That's simply not the case. Just like Alabama in football, you HAD a great program, not anymore.

Ok, first of all, you are going back to between 1958-1978 when talking about a 20 year drought. It's only been 9 right now.

But anyway... So, Ohio State wasn't a great football program between 1970-2002?

Gators boast top graduation rates


By Raymond Hines III
GatorCountry.com Owner/Publisher
Posted Sep 28, 2006

The NCAA recently released the latest graduation rate data and the Florida Gators showed up on top compared to their peers in the state and the Southeastern Conference in several sports.

The NCAA has been pushing for an average graduation "success" rate (GSR) of 80% for all Division I schools and the Gators are keeping up with that trend, exceeding it in many areas.

The NCAA developed the GSR two years ago because the federal graduation rate does not credit institutions with student-athletes who leave in good academic standing or for transfers into the school who graduate. The GSR accounts for both of those transfer groups, which has resulted in a more accurate depiction of student-athlete academic success, since it captures about 35 percent more students than the federal methodology.

The GSR data for the 1996-99 four-class aggregate show that in addition to the increase for the entire division, the GSR for male student-athletes has risen from 69 percent to 70 percent. The GSR for female student-athletes remains steady at 86 percent.

All three Division I subdivisions also realized percentage-point jumps. Schools with football in the Bowl Subdivision went from 77 to 78 percent, schools with football in the Championship Subdivision went from 73 to 74 percent.

“The goal of 80 percent GSR is not an ‘official’ NCAA goal, but one that I think stretches us but can be accomplished,” Brand said. “Division I is close to that goal now at 77 percent, and these data do not reflect the current academic reforms Division I has adopted in the last three years. I believe the 80-percent target for the entire division is attainable in the near future," said NCAA President Myles Brand.

Gators vs. SEC

In the Southeastern conference (see chart below), Gator Football checks in at #2 with an 80% GSR with Vanderbilt at the top with 92%.

In men's basketball, the Gators are #1 with a 100% GSR and Vanderbilt second at 82%. In women's basketball, the Gators also share the #1 spot at 100% with Arkansas, Vanderbilt, and Tennessee.

In baseball, the Gators are #2 at 82% with Vanderbilt at #1 with a 100% GSR.

Gators vs. In-State rivals

In football, the Gators sit high atop the GSR perch with Florida State at 52%, Miami at 68%, UCF at 42%, and USF at 66%.

As for men's basketball, the Gators are also high atop everyone else with Florida State at 75%, Miami 69%, UCF 75%, and USF 44%.

In women's basketball, the Gators share the lead with Miami at 100% with Florida State at 79%, UCF 92%, and USF 73%.

Finally, in baseball the Gators share the top with FSU at 80%. Miami checks in at 56%, UCF 70%, and USF 71%.

SEC and In-State Schools GSR Chart

SEC Football Men's
hoops Women's
hoops Baseball

Alabama 44 73 50 60

Arkansas 55 47 100 47

Auburn 63 64 76 38

Florida 80 100 100 82

Georgia 41 9 75 48

Kentucky 55 33 67 55

LSU 49 40 62 42

Mississippi 58 54 80 73

Mississippi St. 57 62 75 67

South Carolina 64 70 81 66

Tennessee 58 18 100 60

Vanderbilt 92 82 100 100

Other Florida Schools Football Men's
hoops Women's
hoops Baseball

Florida State 52 75 79 80

Miami 68 69 100 56

UCF 42 75 92 70

USF 66 44 73 71

Source: NCAA

See how much we all have in common?

Well, I don't walk around still pretending the Browns are great.

Damn, Top still hasnt gone away yet?

No, they weren't an elite program in that timeframe, that's my point. Were they a very good program? Yes, but they were not in the same category as the elite programs of that time. The difference is that I can be objective and admit that.

For you and Jules, if you guys don't want me here that bad, just use the "Ignore this user" feature

You give yourself way too much credit, I couldn't care less if you are here or not. Doesn't mean I won't point out lameness when I see it.

I dont get it. It took us 40 years to get to a title game and we lose. Yet the buckeye fans over here are bagging on Kentucky. A school that has won titles. Some of the people here act like we won the title! Kentucky has 7 titles we have 1 that was 40 years ago. Doesnt make sense at all

OSU's basketball success or lack thereof has nothing to do with this thread. It's about the Alabamaitits that Top has. He is under the delusions that UK is still a "great" program. It hasn't been for years. His homerism blinds him to that truth.

You regurgitating the same garbage over and over isn't going to change anyone's mind. It just continues to show you are a homer identical to Alabama football fans. UK hasn't been a great program for years no matter how many times you say "yuh huh". Deal with it that not everyone is blinded by your homerism.

Its ironic that your insulting Kentucky. When in fact you are a OSU fan and Florida practically owns OSU. We had one really good year. When kentucky has had 7 great years. Being proud of making it to the title game and losing is like browns proud of making it to superbowl but losing.

Man, are you haveing reading and comprehension problems? It IS possible to critique the UK program of it's own merits. I have not said anywhere that OSU is an elite program. Are UK fans suffering Bungleitis as well as Alabamaitis? You know, where you dare criticize their program and hey immediately point out the problems of the team you're a fan of? Keep your eye on the ball here. We are discussing UK's program's status, not OSU's. If you want to discuss OSU's, start a thread and I'll respond.

Coach, you have come up with no real arguments about why they are not a great program. They might not be at the top right now, but because they haven't won a championship in a whole 9 years, they aren't a great program? So, if Ohio State football goes 9 years without a championship, they wouldn't be a great program anymore?

Great programs are built on history and tradition. You are talking about great teams. We aren't a great team right now, but you saying we aren't a great program is just ignorant. You have no leg to stand on in this argument. If schools lost their "great program" status because they go 9 years without a championship.. there would never be a "great program".

If Duke doesn't win a championship in the next 3 years are they a great program anymore? (2001- last title)... Is UCLA not a great program? (1995- last title)... Is Kansas not a great program? (1988-last title).

Great teams and great programs are two different things and you refuse to see that. We aren't a great team, but we are a great program.

So, basically what you are saying is that Florida is a greater program than Kentucky? Not even close. Greater team RIGHT NOW? Yes... but a better program? Give me a break Coach... At least find a leg to stand on in this arguement before you revisit it.