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Not everything I posted is player transfers. Check the list... look at all the off the court issues, including multiple arrests for drugs. You're right that Kentucky basketball isn't what is used to be. I've never said that they are. But, you are acting like they have been an NIT team for 5 years. We've been down by our standards, but on a national level we are still a pretty good team. But, you are doing nothing more than arguing my point about how bad Tubby was. You say Kentucky basketball isn't what it used to be... who's fault was that? Tubby Smith's. But, you're rigth I suppose, we shouldn't have ran him out 
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Actually, you talk out of both sides of your mouth. As for those "issues" you brought up, those weren't why you wanted him out and never brought them up before, so don't try to make it an issue now. With Cooper, those issues WERE discussed. The analogy is terrible no matter what you say. Cooper was fired because of many issues. Tubby Smith left because the fans at UK were jerks (not his words, but pretty much how he felt.) Any further discussion is pointless. You have your delusional UK/Alabama issues, I live in reality. You've made my point over and over. Thanks. We're done. UK basketball doesn't merit this much attention outside of the borders of Kentucky anyway....and with Louisville being better than UK, probably not within those borders for at least a few years. 
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I don't even care about arguing with you anymore. I'll let you Ohio State fans have your one championship game apparence every 45 years. This is where my hatred for Ohio State fans came from.. one championship game appearance in the last 45 years, and all of a sudden they think they can talk smack about Kentucky basketball to me. I'll just let you guys be, like you said, this conversation between us is over. 
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You wanna talk about facts? Tubby was never fired, HE LEFT. Also do not lump all UK fans together. Just because some wanted him gone this year does not mean all of the fans wanted to see him gone.
There were just as many fans giving tubby support. Also if he did not choose to leave this year, it probably would have only been 1 or 2 more years before he was fired. He would have been fired for more than one reason too.
I beleive last year had alot to do with the way things went this year. He had alot of trouble getting the players to play his way, mainly Rhondo, but there seemed to be alot of in-fighting. Also Tubby's recruiting is nowhere it needs to be for a UK coach. He would have been fired for more than one reason.
Let me ask you OSU fans a question. If OSU football did not make it to a BCS bowl game for ten years, how many of you guys would want the coach fired? I bet the majority of the fan base would.
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Tiffin, you should just let them go. Very few of the Ohio State fans on here realize that Ohio State football and Kentucky basketball are very similar. They seem to think that Ohio State football is one of the greatest programs in the history of the game (which it is, I'm not arguing that), but they, for some reason, refuse to believe that Kentucky is if not the best, one of the top 2 programs in the history of the game. I really have no idea why they cannot understand this, but for some reason they can't.
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It's not that "they" can't see that. It's that you are holding on to something from long ago and think it still applies. The Browns has one of the richest histories in the NFL, but that doesn't meke them a great franchise now. You, and some other UK fans, don't see that and attack anyone that does.
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Browns last championship- 1964 Kentucky last championship- 1998 Good comparision 
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So, having a championship 9 years ago makes you a great program? Yeah, right, only in Kentucky and Alabama. 
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Wow you just went on a ten post rant about how top compared cooper and tubby, then you want to compare what the browns did in pro footbal to what UK basketball has done. LOL 
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Yes, it's a far more accurate analoty. At one time, the Browns were THE franchise in the NFL. Now, not so much. Same with UK basketball. They have a rich tradition and history, now they haven't done much. As I said, it's the Alabama of basketball. Nothing wrong with being a fan, just be realistic about where the program is.
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No having 7 national championships, winningest program, most tournament wins, and appearences. That and plenty other records and accomplishments makes us a great PROGRAM.
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It MADE them a "great" program. Now they are just another program. I know this pains you, but they're not on the level of North Carolina or Duke anymore.....not even UCLA or even historically for that matter. Sorry to bring reality into your love fest. Continue 
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"Made" you a great program ....past-tense.
Coach is right. The Browns were great, but we aren't anymore.
Y'all are in the same boat. The greatness is gone.
Browns is the Browns
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Yep. I now see why all the people and radio stations around here make fun of Kentucky fans. I get it now.
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We are being realistic you are not. It has been FOURTY years since the browns were a champion. It has been nine since UK won one. No comparison. If it was not for two missed free throw we would have three peated.
You are right that our team is pretty much medicore right now, but there is no denying, unless you no nothing of college bb, that UK is and always will be a elite PROGRAM.
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You guys have got to be kidding me. Seriously.. 2005 we were in the Elite 8 (Within overtmie of the Final Four). Down by Kentucky standards, but on a national level, that is a very good accomplishment. The Browns haven't won a championship 43 years. Just 9 years ago, Kentucky was coming off 2 championships in 3 years, and being an overtime away from a 3-peat. But you are right, the Browns to Kentucky comparison is a good one You guys sound like Steeler fans. At least they let the history of the game go back to 1970. With you guys, apparently anything before 2000 didn't matter
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They do because you clueless OSU fans think your great because of one year. Good luck without oden next year and having that SOFT 7fter trying to keep people out of the lane.
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Dude. Settle down.
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You tell me to settle down after a remark about making fun of UK fans. Yeah ok.
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All PROGRAMS are measured by results... and you aren't getting results... which means it isn't a great PROGRAM anymore.
And 10 year versus 40 years.... it's been only what... 4 years since Tampa Bay won one... are you gonna call them a great program now? I wouldn't. 7 years ago St. Louis was the 'Greatest Show on Turf' and won a Super Bowl. I wouldn't think of calling them a great program these days.
"Greatness" is transitory... and it's left you behind.
Browns is the Browns
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Isn't it convenient that Top forgets to mention the 20 year span that UK didn't have a championship?
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Great programs and great teams are different. Are we a great program? Yes, and we are always going to be. Are we a great team? No, not right now we aren't.
Seriously, now you are comparing Tampa Bay and St. Louis to Kentucky basketball? There's a difference between winning one and two Super Bowls 4 and 5 years ago like Tampa and St. Louis, and winning 7 NCAA championships.
I could see your argument if Kentucky's last championship was like 1970 or something, that Kentucky has lost its status as a elite program. But, it's been 9 years since we won a championsihp.. I think you guys are jumping the gun a little bit saying we aren't an elite program. An elite team? Right now, no. An elite program? Yes we are, and we are always going to be.
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What you're doing now is in most circles referred to as "splitting hairs"  Here's the Cliff Notes version for ya: You Were, Now You're Not. If ya get confused, re-read Chapter 1 I seriously don't get how you can say "We haven't won anything for a decade, but we're still a great program". You Were, Now You're Not.
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Wow you guys have no grasp on college sports what so ever. When they mention, by "they" i mean experts, the storied programs they list, UK,Duke,UNC,UCLA, and most recently Kansas. Do you know why? Because they are always good, EVERY year. Yes they do have down years, but their down years are the elite eight and losing in the second round. What is a down year for the "other " programs like OSU? Not making the tourney, or losing in the first round.
As for College PROGRAMS everything is included when talking about a program. It's history, tradition, nc,FF,etc. Everything is included when talking about a program. Like I said before we ARE a medicore bb team right now, but we are and, unless we go 10 yrs without making a tourney, will always be a elite program.
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Refer to Chapter 1.
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Isn't it convenient that Top forgets to mention the 20 year span that UK didn't have a championship?
Other top programs in NCAA history...
North Carolina 1957-1982 (25 years between championships) and 1982-2005 (23 years between championships)
UCLA- 1975-1995 (20 years between championships), not to mention 1939-1964 (25 years from first NCAA championship game to UCLA's first champinonship)
Indiana 1953-1981 (28 years between championships)
Duke 1939-1991 (First championship game played to their first national championship... 52 years)
Kansas- Only championship, 1988 (Currently 19 years... 49 years after first NCAA championship)
And just for you guys...
Ohio State- Only championship 1960 (47 years since last championship)
I guess none of these teams are elite programs either
Yet another great argument by you
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Most recently Kansas? Most recently? James Naismith started that program... most recently they became storied???
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Tiffin, they really just don't understand the difference between "program" and "team"...
We are a great program.. but not a great team right now.
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You guys are great at using those graemlins. It really makes your whole argument. I have no idea why I am arguing with you, like I care what a fan of a second rate BB program thinks of one the best BB programs in the country.
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I don't even care about arguing with you anymore. I'll let you Ohio State fans have your one championship game apparence every 45 years. This is where my hatred for Ohio State fans came from.. one championship game appearance in the last 45 years, and all of a sudden they think they can talk smack about Kentucky basketball to me.
I'll just let you guys be, like you said, this conversation between us is over.
Actually you're wrong.....we all think you're a tool because well......you're a tool. You have to wonder why so many people have a problem with you. And here's a clue.....it is not because of you hating on OSU and it is not because of you being a Kentucky fan......it is because of you. You come off as a jerk and you come off as a know it all wannabe. When many many people say the same thing about you at one point you have to look in the mirror.
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Lets settle it at this:
Ohio State- Average basketball school, Great football school
Kentucky-Great basketball school, horrible football school
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I don't even care about arguing with you anymore. I'll let you Ohio State fans have your one championship game apparence every 45 years. This is where my hatred for Ohio State fans came from.. one championship game appearance in the last 45 years, and all of a sudden they think they can talk smack about Kentucky basketball to me.
I'll just let you guys be, like you said, this conversation between us is over.
Actually you're wrong.....we all think you're a tool because well......you're a tool. You have to wonder why so many people have a problem with you. And here's a clue.....it is not because of you hating on OSU and it is not because of you being a Kentucky fan......it is because of you. You come off as a jerk and you come off as a know it all wannabe. When many many people say the same thing about you at one point you have to look in the mirror.
A tool? Middle school must be on spring break.
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You guys should be credited as a great basketball school. Just dont say your a better program. Ohio State is the better program.
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Ohio State- Average basketball school, Great football school
Kentucky-Great basketball school, horrible football school
Fine with me. That's what I've basically been saying all along. But people on here refuse to see Kentucky as a great basketball school.
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Ohio State- Average basketball school, Great football school
Kentucky-Great basketball school, horrible football school
Fine with me. That's what I've basically been saying all along. But people on here refuse to see Kentucky as a great basketball school.
I agree Kentucky is a awesome basketball school. Other then OSU I would root for Kentucky in basketball. Even in football I root for them. Unless they play Ohio State. 
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who's a fan of a 2nd rate BB team? I don't even watch basketball. As for all of your examples of teams though... Ask yourself this: Were those teams considered "Great Programs" during their decades long droughts? I'm pretty damn certain they weren't. Quote:
North Carolina 1957-1982 (25 years between championships) and 1982-2005 (23 years between championships)
25 & 23 year spans, yet you still think they're great? Those are entire generations being skipped. That isn't greatness, that's living in the past.
UCLA- 1975-1995 (20 years between championships), not to mention 1939-1964 (25 years from first NCAA championship game to UCLA's first champinonship)
Yeah, never won anything from pre-World War 2 until after JFK was shot... and they were considered great? Nope. I'm pretty sure they weren't considered great in 1990 either. Lotta history, but that's it.
Indiana 1953-1981 (28 years between championships)
and I'm betting that noone considered them great during that span
Duke 1939-1991 (First championship game played to their first national championship... 52 years)
Duke... considered great now... I guarantee they weren't considered that before 1991.
Kansas- Only championship, 1988 (Currently 19 years... 49 years after first NCAA championship)
you gotta be kidding me
And as for not understanding "great program" versus "great team".... it's "great teams" that make "great programs". Once you stop having "great teams", you're a "great has-been" and "living in the past". You're new theme song: Springsteen's 'Glory Days'
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Great teams do make great programs. And Kentucky has had many great teams that has made their program great. Just because they are not a great team right now does not mean they are not a great program.
Speaking of great teams.. how about the 96' Kentucky team who many of the experts (and the entire 07' Florida team *see their press conference before the championship game*) consider them the greatest college basketball team ever.
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And why much of the NFL makes fun of Browns fans.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I love Ohio State to death. It is truely ignorant saying OSU has better history then kentucky. Its like comparing our football teams.
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