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Hardesty has shown the ability to move the ball in the limited carries he has earned. I see no reason to cut the man. Jackson is the odd man out if you look at performance on the field.
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Interesting...I do not remember it that way at all. Not saying you are wrong...just remembered him doing well at that duty.
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The PD has "comment chats" with their writers, where they answer questions from people in the comments section of the "article" giving the time and date. I asked a few questions of Tom Reed, one of the Plain Dealer's Browns beat reporters. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...t_flyout_sportsHere were my questions, with the answers. Are any of the lesser known TE, like Gronkowski, showing anything in practices? Tom Reed, The Plain Dealer Nobody has stood out at this point ------------------------------------------------------ Has Cameron been contributing much on the field, or has he spent most of his time hurt? I am really worried that we'll see Gary Barnidge as our starting TE before too long. That scares me .... a lot. Tom Reed, The Plain Dealer Not sure why they didn't draft a tight end given the depth in the draft. Cameron has to stay healthy. Huge change for him this season ---------------------------------------------------------- in 11 on 11, or pass rush drills, which unit wins the majority of the battles, the 1st string OL, or the 1st string front 7? Good question. If you saw family night practice you would say front 7. Weeden would have been wearing Paul Kruger like a fur coat. Defense is bringing, but O-line likes the challenge. Don't forget Pitt and Balt also play 3-4 fronts. Schwartz said Browns edge rushers should prepare him for almost anything this season -------------------------------------------------------- Is it just me, or does it seem like Chud acts more as the head coach, and coach in charge of the whole team than Shurmur ever did? I have always felt that the biggest adjustment a coordinator has to make moving into the Head Coach role is to be the coach of the whole team, as opposed to just one unit. He seems to understand how to be in charge without stepping on his coordinators thus far. Does that seem to be the case up close as well? Tom Reed, The Plain Dealer He seems very at ease. Part of it is having veteran coordinators, particularly on the offensive side. Shurmur made a mistake by calling plays first year. We were never sure who was calling them last year even after they added Childress --------------------------------------------------------- He also added, in response to other questions, that Taylor and Mack have been having tremendous (and violent) battles (and that Taylor has been roughing up Gilkey) ..... and that the team really seems to like Gilkey at Guard thus far. I'm passing this along in case anyone wants the opportunity to have their questions answered by one of the beat reporters who see the team every day. I think that Mary Kay Cabot does the comment chats as well.
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Browns want 'hungry, passionate' identity
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By Matt Florjancic, Staff Writer
BEREA, Ohio -- Cleveland Browns coach Rob Chudzinski wants the identity of the team to be one of hunger and aggressiveness.
BEREA, Ohio -- Cleveland Browns coach Rob Chudzinski has a clear directive for the direction he wants the team to take entering the 2013 football season: to be a group of men that works hard and is always in pursuit of more success.
“I think the identity that we want is a bunch of guys that come out that are hungry and anxious to play and are passionate about playing who are going to play tough, physical football and want to win for the Cleveland Browns,” Chudzinski said after Monday’s training-camp practice. “Where that ultimately stands is that teams that win are teams that have balance on all sides of the ball, offense, defense and special teams.”
During the offseason, the Browns have installed new offensive and defensive schemes. In place of the West Coast offense, the Browns have switched to a more aggressive, down-the-field approach. Along with the aggressive mindset on offense, the Browns have also embraced an attacking style 3-4 defense.
In preparation for the season and in pursuit of building a “hungry” team, the Browns opened training camp on July 25. In the 12 days since the start of training camp, Chudzinski and his coaching staff have pushed the players to get better on the field and in the classroom.
“I like what I’ve seen so far,” Chudzinski said. “I think the pass rush has been very good. I think the guys are grasping the defense and the concept of the defense as we are going on better and better and better.
“I see improvement and that is what I’m looking for during this part of training camp. I’m excited to get into the games and to see these guys against different guys other than the one they have been playing against in practice every day. I’m sure they are ready to do that as well.”
After Monday’s practice, the Browns will hit the practice field for a full session Tuesday, and then, have another day of work before opening the preseason against the St. Louis Rams at FirstEnergy Stadium on Thursday, Aug. 8.
“We had a major install and as part of that we worked goal line today,” Chudzinski said. “Tomorrow, we will focus more on St. Louis and getting ready for the first preseason game to prepare our guys. This will be a really good opportunity to shift the focus from the installation phase of training camp into getting more focused on specifics about games. We are getting guys ready to play and seeing how they react in game-like situations. Obviously we are looking forward to get going with that.”
RICHARDSON RETURNS
Second-year Browns running back Trent Richardson returned to the practice field Monday, after missing several days of on-field work while nursing an injured shin back to health.
“It’s good to have him back out there,” Chudzinski said. “I have not decided anything about Thursday night in regard to Trent.
“We want to work him back in. We are going to be smart with him. We have a plan for him from a general sense. We want him to be able to work to get better, to be able to come out here on a daily basis during training camp.”
KNOCKING OFF THE RUST
After missing 10 games last season because of blood clots, offensive guard Jason Pinkston was cleared to resume football workouts during organized team activities (OTAs) and minicamp. Since rejoining the team, Pinkston has worked at both the left and right guard spots.
“His ability to move back and forth is a good thing,” Chudzinski said. “He’s been getting back to form. That’s a process to be going through; he’s been through a lot. I am seeing signs, especially these last few days, of improvement.”
Pinkston has been competing for playing time with John Greco and Shawn Lauvao, who suffered what Chudzinski described as an ankle injury late in Monday’s practice.
ENFORCING THE RULES
In an effort to improve player safety, the NFL is mandating all players wear leg and knee pads during games this season. It is a rule that Chudzinski has enforced during the team’s padded practices in training camp.
“Guys need to get used to it,” Chudzinski said. “It’s the way things are going to be. We are going to practice that way with them. There is a variety of different pads, size pads and styles of pads that guys can use. I know they have been testing them out and it’s been part of the reason why I want to make sure they have them on and along with the safety factors, obviously.”
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Just like the O-lines for the rats and squeelers will be prepared for anything by going up against their Ds in practice. I'm glad they;re getting good rush from the front seven, and I'm glad the front seven is looking good, but we still have to play the games and pitt & balt still have Roth & Flaco and we still have Weeden. That's really what it all comes down to, isn't it? Will Weeden win the games.
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For those who are high on Gilkey, what is his biggest weakness? In other words, why wasn't he highly touted in the draft? Was it strictly the fact that he played against lower competition?
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Shurmur made a mistake by calling plays first year.
Holmgren made the mistake by hiring that idiot. Choosing to dial in plays was one of many, I mean MANY, mistakes carried out by Pat Shurmur. Shurmur could have been granted Norv or any credible o-coordinator, and I still think under his selfless and own personal egotistical attitude would have still "had to have play calling duties". It just downright disgusts me when I even think about it. Especially see how the game calling was executed on top of the time management aspect. Pat sure did pull a "duh what were you thinking" moments quite a bit.
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The upgrade from Shurmur to a league average coach will be mind-blowing. We just have to hope Chud is at least league average. He has shown he is at least smart enough to hire good people to lean on.
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Yes, I think that's it. Small school, no competition to match him up with.
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Shurmur made a mistake by calling plays first year.
Holmgren made the mistake by hiring that idiot.
Lerner made the mistake by hiring that lazy fat ass.   
Still pisses me off. 
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True that bro...
When I heard the Walrus made an appearance at one of our training camps recently, I was thinking to myself... he needs to get the hell outta here and never show that face here in Cleveland again! lol.
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Shurmur made a mistake by calling plays first year.
Holmgren made the mistake by hiring that idiot.
Lerner made the mistake by hiring that lazy fat ass.
Still pisses me off.
Yet, on paper, he was qualified. I've done it. I've hired people with identical resumes or as close as I could find to my own and some succeeded and some failed. Never was able to explain it.
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I pretty much agreed with every move Randy made when he made it.
The guy tried, he wanted a winner as much as we did.
He did his best it just didnt work out. Not like they were major bone head moves when they were made. In hindsight yes they didnt work out. Its a tuff business
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By qualified do you mean failed at the exact same job previously?
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I am old enough to remember Csonka and Kiick with a dose of Mercury. Different skills; successful though. We can do more to move people out of the box. A number of good things can happen if we hurt some opponents enough to make them react to us. Mixing TR around with some other folks would be tough to plan for IMO. 
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I would totally disagree. I think Randy wanted nothing to do with this team. He was biding his time until the moment he was able to sell. I think the thought was to pay Holmgren a bunch of money, let him play owner and do whatever he wanted and keep the fans at bay. But hey that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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Do they mean like this? Many of the players have their kneepads pulled up to their thighs.
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Browns: News and notes from Day 11 of training camp - See more at: http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2013/...h.9sReBjeZ.dpufBEREA – Browns coach Rob Chudzinski said right guard Shawn Lauvao was still being evaluated by the medical staff and he’d have an update Wednesday. Lauvao, who has started every game the last two seasons, injured his ankle Monday in the last period of practice. He was carted off the field. Jason Pinkston replaced Lauvao at right guard with the first team. Pinkston was excused from practice early today for a personal reason. ** The Browns signed long snapper Christian Yount to a five-year contract that will run through 2017. He follows left guard John Greco as holdovers from before he new front office arrived to receive multiyear extensions. Yount joined the Browns in 2011 for the final five games, replacing Ryan Pontbriand, and has been a steadying force. ** Chudzinski said the starters will play about a quarter Thursday night in the preseason opener vs. the Rams. He said he’ll update the status of the injured players today. Running back Trent Richardson (shin) and strong safety T.J. Ward (hamstring) did individual drills Monday and today but didn’t participate in team drills today. That likely means they won’t play Thursday. ** Running back Montario Hardesty (hamstring tendon), receiver David Nelson (knee), tight end Brad Smelley (hamstring), offensive linemen Oniel Cousins (ankle), Ryan Miller (concussion) and Chris Faulk (knee), defensive end Dave Kruger (concussion) and fullback Brock Bolen (calf) didn’t practice. ** The practice was a dull one heavy with the scout team working as the Rams. ** Cornerback Trevin Wade had an interception and a breakup, and receiver Josh Gordon made several catches. ** Chudzinski said the punter battle between T.J. Conley and Spencer Lanning is neck-and-neck. - See more at: http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2013/...h.9sReBjeZ.dpuf
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Got a question for yo guys. I have heard allot of good things about chris owens. However, when i seen him practice in person, he seemed slow. It seemed like no matter who he was going against he was beat....and badly sometimes. Are my eyes playing tricks on me fellow dawgs? If you have seen him practice please let me know what you think of him.
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Browns training camp snapshot: Richardson, Ward sit out team drills; starters to play 1Q Thursday By Nate Ulrich Published: August 6, 2013 The Browns held their 11th full-squad practice of training camp today. Below is a glance at what unfolded. Storylines: Running back Trent Richardson (right shin) and strong safety T.J. Ward (hamstring) practiced but did not participate in team drills, a sign they’ll likely get Thursday night off when the Browns host the St. Louis Rams in the preseason opener for both teams. Browns coach Rob Chudzinsk, though, has yet to officially rule anyone out. “I’ll give you details tomorrow on specific individuals as we get more medical information,” Chudzinski said. Richardson returned to action Monday and took three carries during limited action in team drills. He missed the previous two practices after being kicked in the right shin, the same one in which he suffered a strained muscle in the spring, before returning to action Tuesday. Richardson has vowed to play in all four preseason games, but he also made it clear he would defer to Chudzinski. “We’ll talk to all the players that are in that situation,” Chudzinski said when asked specifically about Richardson. “Whether they play or don’t play, we’ll first assess it and do the smart thing. And then we’ll communicate that with them.” Third-string running back Dion Lewis practiced with the first-team offense today while Richardson watched team sessions. Second-string running back Montario Hardesty continued to sit out with an injured hamstring tendon. As for Ward, he returned to action Monday after missing the previous three practices with a sore hamstring. He still hasn’t participated in team drills. Johnson Bademosi took his spot as the first-team strong safety alongside free safety Tashaun Gipson. On Saturday, Ward said he “definitely” expected to face the Rams, but that expectation won’t be fulfilled if Chudzinski wants Ward to rest. Most of the starters who suit up Thursday will receive about a quarter of playing time. “We’re going to play our starters, for the most part, for about a quarter,” Chudzinski. “That may vary from individual to individual. We’ll get our second group in there for the second quarter and third quarter. Some of them will be done at halftime. Some will go forward in the third quarter, and then in the fourth quarter, we’ll get some of our third group in there.” Position battles: Jason Pinkston filled in for Shawn Lauvao at right guard with the first-team offense. Lauvao suffered an injured left ankle Monday and was carted off the field. “It’s still getting evaluated medically,” Chudzinski said. “I’ll give you updates as I get them tomorrow.” Pinkston left practice today about an hour-and-a-half after it started because Chudzinski excused him to attend a funeral, Browns director of communications Zak Gilbert said. … The following players caught punts in this order: wide receiver Travis Benjamin, Jordan Norwood, Davone Bess and Josh Cooper. Highlights: Wide receiver Josh Gordon burned rookie cornerback Leon McFadden on a fly route and caught a long pass from quarterback Brandon Weeden in team drills. … Buster Skrine broke up a pass from quarterback Jason Campbell, and fellow cornerback Trevin Wade intercepted it. During the next play, Skrine gave up a long completion against undrafted rookie wide receiver Mike Edwards despite tight coverage. … Quarterback Brian Hoyer placed a deep pass in the hands of wide receiver Dominique Croom, but he dropped the ball. … Wide receiver Davone Bess dived to catch a pass from Weeden. … Wade won a jump ball against wide receiver Tori Gurley, breaking up a pass in the front corner of the end zone. … Undrafted rookie outside linebacker Justin Staples intercepted a pass. Injuries: Hardesty (hamstring), Lauvao (left ankle), wide receiver David Nelson (knee), fullback Brock Bolen (calf), tight end Brad Smelley (hamstring), defensive end Dave Kruger (concussion), and offensive linemen Ryan Miller (concussion), Chris Faulk (knee) and Oniel Cousins (ankle) sat out. Wednesday’s schedule: Practice closed to the general public. The Browns face the St. Louis Rams at 8 p.m. Thursday at FirstEnergy Stadium in the preseason opener for both teams. http://www.ohio.com
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I said it after the draft and I'll say it again, Glikey will be starting at guard before the end of the season.
Nobody really knows enough about Glikey as to how he can perform in this league, I hear he is a above average in strength, but mostly an unknown thus far.
I really don't see him beating out Lava this year, Lava has two years as a starter under his belt. If Gilkey becomes a starter it will be more likely next year. If he does beat out Lava sometime this year than that is great for the offense and I would welcome that.
I do think this OL could use a real road grader at a G spot..
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Didn't Lauvao hurt his ankle during TC of his rookie year? Am I remembering correctly? Was it the same Ankle? Anybody remember?
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I agree. What we spent on him doesn't really matter at this point.
You guys shop like my wife does.
Look, if I spend more money on a product----------I want better results.
I am not saying to not cut the guy because he was a high pick. I AM SAYING that your high picks have to freaking produce.
Are you two really telling me that you haven't noticed that it's been an issue over the years? Our high picks have been fairly terrible. Timid, Brown, Warren, Leon, K2, Green, Wimbley, BQ, A. Davis, Q, Hardesty, Weeden, TRich, Gordon [the last 3 still to be determined, but they have disappointed me for various reasons].
You two don't think all those bad picks have hurt the franchise? Sorry fellas, but I think your high picks need to play well.
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From what I saw, Grecco was our best guard last year. Period. Perhaps that is why he got a nice contract w/multiple years and is listed as our starting guard?
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Still pisses me off.
Yet, on paper, he was qualified. I've done it. I've hired people with identical resumes or as close as I could find to my own and some succeeded and some failed. Never was able to explain it.
I know you are going to get upset and think I am picking on you, but I really am not. I apologize in advance.
How was The Big Show qualified? Guys like mac run around here all the time and bash Banner for his background, but he actually was a team president before he arrived here.
When was The Big Show a Team President before Cleveland?
And what was his experience in the FO? I could have sworn he was the GM/HC in Seattle for 2-3 years and failed. I could have sworn that Seattle removed him from the GM position. I could have sworn that he begged Seattle to get another position but they refused to hire him and he instead signed w/Cleveland?
Am I wrong about any of that?
It's amazing we see guys post all these negative articles about Banner, yet The Big Show rarely gets questioned even though he was hardly ever here in Cleveland. He was in Seattle. He was in California. He was in Arizona vacationing. Homes all over the place. Freaking Junior actually bought him a home in California. Why?????
We weren't going to win w/that fraud at the top. And there are so many here who complain about the new guys and are bitter about H and H getting fired. Pfffftttttt.
And did someone say Junior was a good owner? LMAO........I have so much more hope now that that troubled soul is gone. mac likes to say that Banner is insane, but really, why would an owner need to do interviews through emails? LOL.........he was a strange ranger and we are fortunate that guy is gone.
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Look, if I spend more money on a product----------I want better results.
I am not saying to not cut the guy because he was a high pick. I AM SAYING that your high picks have to freaking produce.
I think they are coming from a different angle there Vers. I think Peen has been vocal on this in the past.
Of course they want high draft picks to produce (who doesn't? )
But i think they are saying that if the high draft pick is a busted flush and does not/cannot produce, then the position on when he was picked in the draft should have no bearing on if he's cut or not.
Browns fans know this better than anyone with the appalling production of the Gerard Warren's, Courtney Browns' and William Green's of this world. These dawgs are saying sever the limb and go in another direction......i think......i hope.
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Jeff Schudel: Talking Browns' training camp progress A look at how the Browns are progressing one day before Rob Chudzinski's first preseason game as head coach: If Brandon Weeden must be described in one word, it is "baffling." I do not know what to make of this guy. He can look very good on one pass and then look very bad on the next, yet he is the best quarterback on the roster. Part of the inconsistency comes from the Browns installing new parts of the offense from one day to the next and Weeden and his receivers becoming familiar with each other, but not all of Weeden's ups and downs can be traced to that. Training camp can give the offense and a quarterback in particular a false sense of accomplishment because the defense never goes all out in practice. Pass rushers run by the quarterback rather than knock him to the ground and defensive backs put on the brakes (most of the time) to avoid bone-crushing collisions with their teammates. They might try to knock the ball from the receiver's hands or jump in front to make an interception, but they usually pull up short. Josh Gordon and the receiving crew won't have it as easy Thursday night against the Rams as they have in training camp. Having said that, three offensive players have been very impressive in training camp — running back Dion Lewis, wide receiver Davone Bess and wide receiver Greg Little. Sometimes the best trades can be the minor ones. The Browns traded Emmanuel Acho, a linebacker who spent all of 2012 on injured reserve, to the Eagles for Lewis. They traded their fourth-round and fifth-round picks to the Dolphins for Bess plus Miami's fourth-round and seventh-round picks in 2013. Offensive coordinator Norv Turner is excited about finding ways to use Lewis, a 5-foot-7 runner CEO Joe Banner drafted in the fifth round in 2011 when Banner was with the Eagles. "Dion is short, but he isn't little," Turner said. "He's a good player. Davone knows how to get open. Those guys are going to help us a lot." Little is the hardest working player in camp. He runs routes and catches passes from Weeden after practice almost daily and then heads to the JUGS machine to catch more passes. The most improved player on offense since training camp began is tight end Jordan Cameron. He was dropping passes and not holding onto others when a defender tried knocking it loose in the first few days of camp, but over the last week he is using his body more to shield his hands and catching more consistently. One of the most surprising players on offense is the other tight end — Gary Barnidge. Barnidge is proving his eye-opening June minicamp is no fluke. He can catch the ball in traffic and hold on to it. At 6-foot-5, he is a tall target for Weeden. The Browns might be better off at tight end than first believed. Trent Richardson did not practice in team drills Tuesday. Chudzinski will announce on Wednesday whether Richardson will play Thursday. The fact Chudzinski is being so careful reflects how concerned the coaches are about Richardson staying healthy for 16 games. Nose tackle Phil Taylor seems determined to make up for 2012 being an off year. He has fought with center Alex Mack and on Monday ran over guard Shawn Lauvao, causing Lauvao's ankle injury. Lauvao did not practice Tuesday, nor was he on the exercise bike with the other injured players. I have not seen a lot from right defensive end Desmond Bryant. He missed the early portion of training camp with back spasms, so the game against the Rams on Thursday will be important for him. The plan is to play the starters for a quarter. Banner and General Manager Mike Lombardi are not forcing Barkevious Mingo on Chudzinski. Jabaal Sheard has worked as the first-team right outside linebacker ahead of Mingo most of training camp. The Browns want to see more than a speed rush from Mingo, and he has to prove he can cover receivers consistently. Sheard has adapted well to his new role as a linebacker. Left outside linebacker Paul Kruger is a mauler. He had the reputation of being primarily a pass rusher in Baltimore, but he has proven in training camp he can wrap the running back. Craig Robertson has definitely earned his right to start at inside linebacker next to D'Qwell Jackson. Robertson has the best hands of all the linebackers. Chris Owens has apparently won the starting job at right cornerback. Buster Skrine has been active as the nickel back and seems to bat away two or three passes every practice. He tipped one Tuesday on a pass from Jason Campbell, and Trevin Wade intercepted it. The battle at safety continues and has evolved into one of the most intriguing of training camp. Strong safety T.J. Ward did not practice Tuesday. Johnson Bademosi and Tashaun Gipson will likely start against the Rams. Do not count out Josh Aubrey, a free-agent rookie from Stephen F. Austin. Aubrey earned playing time at free safety when Ward (hamstring) and Gipson (shoulder) were injured at the same time. Brandon Bogotay has kicked well consistently in training camp, but the rookie hasn't faced a live rush under the pressure of a game situation yet. Shayne Graham, a 12-year veteran, is a proven place kicker, but he does not have Bogotay's leg strength. The battle for the punting job between Spencer Lanning and T.J. Conley is too close to call. Lewis, Skrine, Travis Benjamin and Bademosi are the candidates to return kicks. Bess, Benjamin, Jordan Norwood and Josh Cooper are returning punts. The groups returning kicks and punts could be reduced after Thursday. http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2013/08/06/sports/nh7340504.txt?viewmode=fullstory
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The opposing team can't look at him coming onto the field and say "Oh, it's a run, and the RB will definitely get the ball".
And that's what it is alla about.Plus he can catch, and is quick in the open field.If this works out right, Many will see what a fool Shurmur was.
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Yes Riddler, I agree w/you. I do think that was their meaning and I actually agree w/it. Just trying to spark conversation, my man. Look at the Weeden thread. I typically am negative towards him. When I saw people were bashing him, I threw in some positives. Unlike some around here, I think debate is a good thing. You learn from others. You learn from hearing other opinions. And you learn from having to overcome objections. You learn to evaluate and create new opinions. It's all good................except for those that have a need to be viewed as right above all else...............Hi the "We Know Football Clique."  Look Riddler..........I am just saying we really do need some of these guys to pan out. I understand cutting him if he isn't good, but I am HOPING that he plays well this year. I'm sorry, but I am of the belief that you need your high picks to perform. Oh, and apparently some people on here totally misinterpret my tone. They say stuff like smoke is coming out my ears or they say I am old man yelling at kids from the porch or they post pictures of Clint shooting kids........but, that is so far from the truth that it is hilarious. But, just in case, I am not criticizing you for your post. You were being a peace maker. That's cool. I'm not challenging you. At all. Hope that is cool.
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Cleveland Browns: Coach Rob Chudzinski Tuesday press conference BEREA, Ohio -- Transcript of coach Rob Chudzinski's press conference on Tuesday following training camp, provided by the Cleveland Browns. Opening statement: "An injury report: Shawn Lauvao had suffered an ankle injury yesterday. He is still getting evaluated medically and I will get you updates as I get them tomorrow. Today, we had a chance to shift our focus toward St. Louis, giving our guys some looks, studying the tapes and giving them a chance to work against some of the different things St. Louis may be doing that are different than they are seeing on a day-to-day basis from our offense and from our defense. It will be good to get a chance to get out on the field to see our guys against different competition, against different people. We are looking forward to that opportunity. We have a plan for the game in terms of playing. We are going to play our starters for the most part, for about a quarter. That may vary from individual to individual. We will get our second group in there for the second quarter and third quarter. Some will be done at halftime and some will go forward in the third quarter. Fourth quarter we will get some of our third group in there. I will give you more details tomorrow on specific individuals as we get more medical information. That is our general plan and again, I will get in the specifics of people and different playing about playing them tomorrow when I get more information on that." On any problem with Jason Pinkston walking off the field (excused to attend a funeral): "No, there's no problem. No problem at all." On what he likes about Garrett Gilkey: "What I like and what we saw was a big guy who can really move his feet well. Where he is coming from, it's a big adjustment. He played tackle, so moving to guard is usually an adjustment for guys. The level of competition of what he is seeing and the offense is a lot more than what he did in college. There are three things that usually young guys coming from smaller schools have adjustments to do. I have been pleased with what he is doing; he is a guy who has improved. He just needs to keep working." On Gilkey holding his own physically: "He has. A lot of times it's a matter of technique going against guys who have been in the league for so long who are physically equal or a little bit ahead of him. It's a matter of learning the techniques and getting better at those. He should be fine." On Dion Lewis playing well: "He's had a good camp. He's really showing a lot. He's been a playmaker and shows good vision, running skills, good demonstration of catching the ball. So, I'm looking forward to seeing him in the game. We are working him on special teams as a kick returner, as well. I am excited to see what he does." On punting competition: "It's been a good competition. Both of those guys are hitting the ball well. They are neck and neck right now. So, what they do in the games, we'll be alternating those guys back and forth so they get their kicks in. We will see where it goes from there but this will be a big part of the evaluation." On Tashaun Gipson being back from the shoulder injury: "He's come along pretty well. We will look at him and talk about him medically to see where he is at. He practiced today and did everything. We will let you know tomorrow on that." On what Gipson has to offer: "Good athlete, real solid guy, understands the defense, can make calls; just a good football player." On Christian Yount's contract extension: "At that position you have to be perfect. He's proven he has been a valuable part of the team. You never know how valuable those guys are until you don't have one that can get the snap back, and I've been there before. We're happy to have Christian as a part of our organization for a long time and he's earned it." On being back on the field (not in the box) Thursday, his unofficial debut as a head coach "Well, I have been there before. Being involved with the coaches I've been involved with, whether I was up in the box or not, I have been able to be a part of those decisions and understanding the different situations in games that come up; it's something I have been real fortunate, to be around really good head coaches that I can learn from along the way. Certainly, Norv (Turner) is a guy I have talked to. I have a book about this thick that's full of different scenarios that over the course of summer, I had a chance to look at them and study the situations that would come up and think through how I would handle them. At the end of the day, it's not easy. There are things that come up that can go either way. You want to have good reasons for what you do. Ultimately, it's decided whether it was a good decision or not by whether it works. You are looking to have the right reasons to make those decisions." On the logistics of the sideline during games, after some previous coaches tripped over wires: "Well, I think we have a wireless system, so that won't be a problem. I think the biggest thing, and one of the things that is important to me, is having two coordinators calling the game that you have faith in. I can focus more on game management, whether that's situational calls, whether that's replay, whether it's timeouts. Those are the big things that come up. Hopefully, guys that I trust and the way I do with our coordinators here, that will be a good help. I won't be tripping over any wires." On having someone in the press box when it comes to challenging plays: "Yes. We have a system set up of guys looking from up top. Certainly, Norv and Ray (Horton) will be up in the box and they will have a good look at some of the replays. We will also have a guy specified to do that and then down on the field between myself and some other eyes. Hopefully we have it all covered." On giving suggestions to Norv Turner on offense: "No. I'll have things that I'll have in mind as things go on. Ÿne of the things I know, as a coordinator and a play-caller, you get in a groove, you get in a thought process, setting things up for later. Interfering too much I do not want to do, but at the same time, there's a right time for suggestions and things like that, that hopefully I'll pick out the right time for those." On Brandon Weeden: "Well I'm not sure of how much you see, so I can't answer that part of it. A lot of what you see behind the scenes understands what he's been told or talked to about. What things have been stressed and seeing what has been done on the field and making corrections, coming back. A lot more of it is behind the scenes. For me, not always being in the quarterback meeting, I have to make sure that I know what those things are as well. That is something I learned along the way in the league." On how Weeden is performing compared to other players: "I don't know what the assessment of him is. I've seen progress and that is what I want to see and getting into the preseason games. Ultimately, performing and seeing how much he can transfer from the practice field to the game is critical." On Dion Lewis' size making him a 15-carry player or a special-teams player: "I don't really classify guys that way. I have been fortunate enough to be around some small guys who were able to carry the load. That is an individual thing. I see Dion being effective, not just as your traditional change-of-pace guy where you are always doing stuff outside, but he can run inside. He has good vision and he is a good runner overall, I think whatever role; he can fill a number of roles." On whether Trent Richardson will play Thursday: "Just like everybody else, we are going to sit down with them, get more information and I'll let you guys know tomorrow." On the plan for Thursday for Richardson: "We will talk to all the players that are in that situation. Whether they play or don't play, we will assess it and do the smart thing. We will communicate that with him." On coming in with a script of plays: "We will. Basically, we are going to be going in with our base offense, base defense, and our base calls. Special teams as well, and see how are guys execute them. Preseason, we will always hold a little bit back for the regular season. We are in a situation where guys are learning an offense, defense and special teams and so we want to see how they are going to execute our base package." http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/08/cleveland_browns_coach_rob_chu_11.html
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All good Vers, i don't know enough about X's and O's to get into the shark tank bro. I still watch the football not the individual intricacies (that i know are going on) so i find it better to read and learn rather than participate....lest i look an idiot I do have some crazy hope that a second RB in the backfield over a pure FB will give us a Mack/Byner esque 1-2 punch like the times when i first started following the Browns. But thats as far as my "knowledge" will take me.  I do appreciate the pure football talk though (as and when it happens). Been some good stuff on here over the years...but then the "Ham Sandwich" comments have their place too i reckon And in your last comment, alas the context of posting on forums and the spirit in which comments are often made are frequently mis-interpreted. Goes with the territory. 
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Some really good stuff in there. Loved what I heard on manyfronts. btw I know my typin g is bad right now but I was attacked by a can of dog food that nearly took my finger off.
Anyway I hope Dezmond Bryant has become contract complacent. I see the fire in Kruger but Bryant is starting to worry me. He better show or Winn will take his spot.
Anyway than ks for the report one of the best I have thus far.
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Shudel's article rings w/truisms. Thanks PDawg for posting it. Man, there is a lot of good stuff in there. Quote:
If Brandon Weeden must be described in one word, it is "baffling."
I do not know what to make of this guy. He can look very good on one pass and then look very bad on the next, yet he is the best quarterback on the roster. Part of the inconsistency comes from the Browns installing new parts of the offense from one day to the next and Weeden and his receivers becoming familiar with each other, but not all of Weeden's ups and downs can be traced to that.
Training camp can give the offense and a quarterback in particular a false sense of accomplishment because the defense never goes all out in practice. Pass rushers run by the quarterback rather than knock him to the ground and defensive backs put on the brakes (most of the time) to avoid bone-crushing collisions with their teammates. They might try to knock the ball from the receiver's hands or jump in front to make an interception, but they usually pull up short.
I said this on an earlier post............I think Weeds will make a good throw that will make you salivate. Then, he'll miss a wide open guy. Then, he will not see guys that are wide open. Then, he will have a string of nice completions that make you salivate again. In the end, he'll throw it inaccurately, take a needless sack, or throw a pick to cost you the game. He doesn't seem to have "it."
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Sometimes the best trades can be the minor ones. The Browns traded Emmanuel Acho, a linebacker who spent all of 2012 on injured reserve, to the Eagles for Lewis. They traded their fourth-round and fifth-round picks to the Dolphins for Bess plus Miami's fourth-round and seventh-round picks in 2013.
Lot's of complaining about the new FO, but these were two excellent moves.
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Nose tackle Phil Taylor seems determined to make up for 2012 being an oÝf year.
I've been pretty harsh w/this guy. I'm glad to hear the positive comments. I do know that he has a world of talent.
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Banner and General Manager Mike Lombardi are not forcing Barkevious Mingo on Chudzinski.
What a refreshing change from H and H. Guys were awarded jobs before they even got here under those two goof balls.
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Brandon Bogotay has kicked well consistently in training camp, but the rookie hasn't faced a live rush under the pressure of a game situation yet.
Shayne Graham, a 12-year veteran, is a proven place kicker, but he does not have Bogotay's leg strength.
The battle for the punting job between Spencer Lanning and T.J. Conley is too close to call.
I'm hoping Bogatay wins the kicking job.
I might be in the minority, but the punting situation bothers me more than the kicking situation. Field position is huge in football and I have no idea who either of these guys are.
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You obviously aren't an idiot. And don't be afraid to voice your opinions. We all have opinions. In my book, it's all good as long as you don't get offended by opposing opinions.Besides, I will get your back.
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On Brandon Weeden:
"Well I'm not sure of how much you see, so I can't answer that part of it. A lot of what you see behind the scenes understands what he's been told or talked to about. What things have been stressed and seeing what has been done on the field and making corrections, coming back. A lot more of it is behind the scenes. For me, not always being in the quarterback meeting, I have to make sure that I know what those things are as well. That is something I learned along the way in the league."
On how Weeden is performing compared to other players:
"I don't know what the assessment of him is. I've seen progress and that is what I want to see and getting into the preseason games. Ultimately, performing and seeing how much he can transfer from the practice field to the game is critical."
Wow! Amazing for its lack of praise.
Some will say that he doesn't praise anyone, so I scrolled back to the article and found this w/in two seconds:
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"He's had a good camp. He's really showing a lot. He's been a playmaker and shows good vision, running skills, good demonstration of catching the ball. So, I'm looking forward to seeing him in the game. We are working him on special teams as a kick returner, as well. I am excited to see what he does."
Huge difference.
I wish it were the other way around. If our QB sucks..............we suck. Period.
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