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No, I didn't. He hasn't played a game yet. Kinda hard to call him a failure at this point.
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Oh, I probably just upset the clique. Held, Rishz, and company.............have a meeting and work on your next plan to get me banned. 
Just wondering................if I were to copy, cut, and paste some of the insults you guys have thrown at me..................would I be allowed to continue to post or would I be banned? 
I think we all know the answer to that.
If you think I'm part of The Clique or a clique on here I've got some ocean front property in Vegas I'd like to sell you.
And I don't ever recall insulting you. I call you on your BS and you interpret that as an insult. That's on you that you don't know the difference. I can't help you with that.
Ah, who the hell am I kidding. I'm not just a member of The Clique, I'm the President of it. Our officers currently have one agenda item at the moment..."Get Vers banned!...Get Vers banned!...Get Vers banned!". It's like a mantra. We chant it at all our meetings. It consumes us. At my job today Held and I spent all day IM'ing coming up with plans to get you banned. We contacted PPE to see if he'd like to get in on it since he runs the site. We offered him a lot of money to make your username disappear. He's mulling it over. We are prepared to up the offer if need be.
We will stop at nothing until it is done and victory is ours!!!!!!
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One thing to keep in mind is that a good HC/motivator knows that people are different. Some need positive reinforcement otherwise they get too down on themselves while others need some criticism to keep from becoming complacent. Yet others somewhere in between.
May have nothing to do with anything but it could. I wouldn't get too hung up one way or the other with what is said at this point.
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Yet you are judging Richardson, Gordon, and Weeden after only one season (with Shurmur as their coach).
Yes, I know you said they are "still to be determined" but you also lumped them in with the other failures.
You can't have it both ways. Either they are failures or they are "still to be determined."
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You are right. I wasn't clear. They certainly are "still to be determined." I simply have been disappointed w/them thus far.
It does amaze me how some of you will check me on that comment while allowing other ludicrous comments to go unchecked. Why is that?
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I just noticed you're comment. I try to be fair in most of my commenting, so I doubt you are specifically singling me out.
But I think people probably "check" you more than others because you act like a know it all, football god.
There are others who aren't checked (mac, THROW LONG) because they are lost causes.
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It's weird how different reporters see things differently .......
Tom Reed is really worried about the TE spot, and says that Cameron really hasn't been healthy enough to show a great deal thus far. He questions why the Browns didn't draft a TE in this past draft.
Jeff Schudel feels that the TE position is in better shape than most think. Man, from his ... keyboard to God's ears.
Frankly, I think that Cameron could be a really good TE ..... but he has to stay on the field. I like what Barnidge has shown thus far, but I will be really worried if we have to count on him as the starter at some point. According to Tom Reed, no one else has really shown much at all. TE is such an important position in this offense that the thinness of the position really concerns me.
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Hey, another great football post by a member of the Clique. Well done. 
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But I think people probably "check" you more than others because you act like a know it all, football god.
Wow!
So, instead of trying to talk about football..............perhaps I should go around and insult people and try and persuade others to gang up against them..............you know..........that way I can fit in.
Petty is the word that comes to mind.
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There are others who talk football and no one gangs up on them. Why do think that is?
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From Chud's presser on whether he'll be in the coordinators' ears calling the plays he wants.
"No. I'll have things that I'll have in mind as things go on. One of the things I know, as a coordinator and a play-caller, you get in a groove, you get in a thought process, setting things up for later. Interfering too much I do not want to do, but at the same time, there's a right time for suggestions and things like that, that hopefully I'll pick out the right time for those."
Can I get an amen, brother!? I mean, thank goodness we have a coach that stows away the ego and let's his coaches coach. Imagine if Shurmer could delegate some of those responsibilities... it wouldn't have looked half as pathetic as it did.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Someone asked a question about Lava man's injury his rookie year. I believe it was a high ankle sprain.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Yeah, I am impressed with Chud thus far. he seems to understand his role as Head Coach is not to be the offensive coordinator. He has to run the whole team, and manage the various coaches under him, and handle the various players' personalities.
Now this could change completely once the games start ... but thus far I am really impressed with the way he has approached his job. I think that he could be our best head coach since Bill Belichick. (sure, not a huge list of coaching who's who ..... but I am encouraged anyway)
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Well ... like I said ... not a huge coaching who's who .......
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I'm incredibly confused by anyone being disappointed in TRich to this point.
the man ran for 950 yards and 11 TDs...both rookie records. He played 9 games with broken ribs, and he accounted for 12 TDs...on a team that scored 42ish TDs...that's an absurdly high percentage. SJax had his worst seasons with Shurmur at the helm...the guy has horrible blocking schemes for a run game...
TRich a disappointment? cuz hes had 3 injuries? One wasn't even an injury as it was surgery to clean up the knee, the other he played through, and this one has had him missing Training Camp and maybe the first preseason game...which is better, because we have 4 other RBs that need reps.
Whats the issue? He's had a few injuries? So what...he's missed NO time that is of ANY value to his career. He's missed 0 regular season games (save for the last one last year which was a coaches decision not his). So...1 I guess...but cmon...
Disappointing? Concerning...I'll give ya, sure...but disappointing? Never.
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You two don't think all those bad picks have hurt the franchise? Sorry fellas, but I think your high picks need to play well.
No disagreement there at all. I am simply saying that once we drafted TR, Hardesty lost his value. I would hope a 2nd round pick becomes a starter, just like you. With TR on the roster, that isn't going to happen, so at this point cutting him and moving on is no big deal. It's like cutting Brandon Jackson or someone else. Actually I like Jackson. I think he should be the #2 back.
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You may not be disappointed, but I am. You threw out a couple of stats to validate your claim. I'll use a couple myself.
TRich ranked 11th in rushing attempts. He got the ball quite a bit.
TRich ranked 18th in yards w/950.
TRich ranked 40th in yards per attempt, a paltry 3.6 average.
For comparison sake,
Peterson rushed for 6.0 yds. per attempt. So did C.J. Spiller
Charles: 5.3
Lynch: 5.0
Rookies? Morris had 4.8 avg and Martin's was 4.6. Martin broke off a 70 yard run. TRich's longest was 39.
What disappoints me about all of that is the fact that all those people who supported drafting him were saying he was the next Adrian Peterson. He wasn't close to that. Heck, there were other rookies who looked better. Additionally, we traded away players and moved up to get him in a very, very strong draft.
Furthermore, I claimed he would battle nagging injuries before the draft and injuries have been an issue thus far. It seems it's always something.
I also so a RB who wasn't very decisive in terms of hitting the hole. He danced too much. Hardesty did a better job of hitting the hole behind the same OL.
I hope he lives up to his billing as the best back since Peterson. Thus far, he has been far from that.
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I'm incredibly confused by anyone being disappointed in TRich to this point.
the man ran for 950 yards and 11 TDs...both rookie records. He played 9 games with broken ribs, and he accounted for 12 TDs...on a team that scored 42ish TDs...that's an absurdly high percentage. SJax had his worst seasons with Shurmur at the helm...the guy has horrible blocking schemes for a run game...
TRich a disappointment? cuz hes had 3 injuries? One wasn't even an injury as it was surgery to clean up the knee, the other he played through, and this one has had him missing Training Camp and maybe the first preseason game...which is better, because we have 4 other RBs that need reps.
Whats the issue? He's had a few injuries? So what...he's missed NO time that is of ANY value to his career. He's missed 0 regular season games (save for the last one last year which was a coaches decision not his). So...1 I guess...but cmon...
Disappointing? Concerning...I'll give ya, sure...but disappointing? Never.
I'm with you here. He did what he did with a bulls eye on his back in an offense as predictable as the sunrise.
I liked what I saw of him...I think he can be even better...he does need to improve in some areas. But I'm clearly not disappointed in him.
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I guess I'll straddle the fence here...
We shouldn't have taken him that high, let alone move up in a trade. He showed flashes of brilliance last year, but it was always stuck between a lot of mediocrity.
Mediocrity is not something one should expect from a top 5 pick.
With that said...he did play injured, and he did play for one of the most inept playcallers I've ever seen.
We'll see how this year goes.
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I'm incredibly confused by anyone being disappointed in TRich to this point.
the man ran for 950 yards and 11 TDs...both rookie records. He played 9 games with broken ribs, and he accounted for 12 TDs...on a team that scored 42ish TDs...that's an absurdly high percentage. SJax had his worst seasons with Shurmur at the helm...the guy has horrible blocking schemes for a run game...
TRich a disappointment? cuz hes had 3 injuries? One wasn't even an injury as it was surgery to clean up the knee, the other he played through, and this one has had him missing Training Camp and maybe the first preseason game...which is better, because we have 4 other RBs that need reps.
Whats the issue? He's had a few injuries? So what...he's missed NO time that is of ANY value to his career. He's missed 0 regular season games (save for the last one last year which was a coaches decision not his). So...1 I guess...but cmon...
Disappointing? Concerning...I'll give ya, sure...but disappointing? Never.
yeah its disappointing when you draft a RB that high, and his long list of injuries prevent him from playing at a higher level than a middle of the pack franchise RB.
i like trich, i think he can be a beast, and im super impressed that he played through broken ribs. i broke a rib in college, i didnt even want to watch a comedy show because it hurt to laugh. i get that the dude is tough for doing so. but yeah, its disappointing when that same running back could/should have had an additional yard per carry-- if he wasnt injured. but the problem is he seems to get injured easily and often.
concerning yes, but its also pretty disappointing, because most of us can objectively say we didnt really want to get a guy who would be nursing some injury 90% of his career, which he has been so far. Did you want a guy who stays injured? If not, you should be able to admit youre slightly disappointed that you got one.
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I guess I'll straddle the fence here...
We shouldn't have taken him that high, let alone move up in a trade. He showed flashes of brilliance last year, but it was always stuck between a lot of mediocrity.
Mediocrity is not something one should expect from a top 5 pick.
With that said...he did play injured, and he did play for one of the most inept playcallers I've ever seen.
We'll see how this year goes.
I guess I sit on the same fence.
there are some red flags that concern me... well documented by some so no need to re hash.
That said the comparison to his performance vis a vi other backs seems an exercise in futility, different teams, different schemes, different coaches , different supporting casts make the comparisons suspect IMO.
Nor do I concern my self with the place a person is picked... I really could not care less if picked 5th, or 50th or 500th, once he is on the field it is his performance that concerns me... he has no control over where he was picked and to use that as a yardstick ... well, I see no cause and effect relationship.
so his numbers seems ok to me 950 and 11 being hampered by things again mentioned ad naseum.
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I'm with you here. He did what he did with a bulls eye on his back in an offense as predictable as the sunrise.
I liked what I saw of him...I think he can be even better...he does need to improve in some areas. But I'm clearly not disappointed in him.
believe me, i wasnt a fan of shurmurs offense, thats not in question. but to blame trich's lack of production on the offense isnt really fair, imo, because other RBs managed to be more productive in the same system. Stephen jackson, in his 6th and 7th year in the league, under pat shurmurs offense, ran for 1,400 and 1,250 yards, producing 4.4 and 3.8 YPC.
now the obvious reply is "trent didnt produce that high of a YPC, but he was playing with broken ribs!"
true, but the point is, it was his injury preventing him from that YPC, NOT the coach.
so logically, we are back to trent not producing a very respectable YPC because of injuries. which is precisely what is disappointing about him. he is often injured.
that is all.
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I guess I'll straddle the fence here...
We shouldn't have taken him that high, let alone move up in a trade. He showed flashes of brilliance last year, but it was always stuck between a lot of mediocrity.
Mediocrity is not something one should expect from a top 5 pick.
With that said...he did play injured, and he did play for one of the most inept playcallers I've ever seen.
We'll see how this year goes.
Keep in mind that when we were able to run the ball successfully on a defense, Pat in all his infinite, offensive wisdom would dial in consecutive pass plays. Notice how many 3rd downs were greater than 7 yards? Pat too stupid to see what is working and tried to make something that wasn't (the passing game) working, work.
The fact that Shurmur isn't here, isn't game planning and isn't calling the plays will aide the entire offense and that includes Trent and the run game.
Am I saying Trent going to have a 2000 yard year? No, I am saying there should be an improvement in almost all faucets just for the simple fact the horse isn't being ridden by Pat anymore. Trent and all the young talented rookies were tainted with the predictable, horribly called/operated offense.
With that said, using such a high pick and then trading up on top of that to acquire Trent, he needs to demonstrate he is the elite RB capable of running and catching the ball that we drafted him to be. Call me silly, but I think it'll be a strong year for Trent *IF* he can stay healthy.
All this is JMO.
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I'm going to try to find the silver lining here.
I was disappointed in TRich last year and said as much in the game day threads. But I thought be passed the eyeball test in terms of being really talented and I felt like something was holding him back whether it be injuries or lack of confidence or whatever. He flashed enough to believe if he could get over whatever was holding him back he was going to be great IMO.
Now initial reports coming out of camp indicated he looked great. One reporter went so far as to say 2000 yards is a possibility. Clayton mentioned him in his training camp write up. So I'm holding out hope that's the player we get.
I will say being held out so much is not normal and is concerning. I'm hoping they are being overly cautious to a fault.
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Shurmur made a mistake by calling plays first year.
Holmgren made the mistake by hiring that idiot.
Lerner made the mistake by hiring that lazy fat ass.   
Still pisses me off.
Yet, on paper, he was qualified. I've done it. I've hired people with identical resumes or as close as I could find to my own and some succeeded and some failed. Never was able to explain it.
Actually, no he wasn't. He was qualified to coach, possibly, if you wanted to go the route of hiring a coach that had been successful earlier in his career hoping to catch lightning in a bottle, (though that rarely works out as evidenced by the late career hires of Joe Gibbs, Marty Schottenheimer and Steve Mariucci). Holmgren had no pedigree for running a team and was actually relieved of his previous administrative duties with Seattle, a clear red flag pointing directly to his lack of qualification to run an organization. Lerner took the lazy way out because he wanted someone to run the franchise so he could be an absentee owner. He paid dearly for that indiscretion and lack of due diligence, and the fan base and franchise suffered accordingly, no matter how you try to whitewash it.
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I hope he lives up to his billing as the best back since Peterson. Thus far, he has been far from that.
I've never thought him the best since Peterson, and really haven't seen him described as such, though it wouldn't shock he if you could pull up some article stating such.
To me, he is a different type of back....think more along the lines of Steven Jackson.
At any rate, it isn't Richardsons fault we drafted him where we did or spend picks to get there, so it is a bit self serving to call him a dissapoinment if he doesn't measure up to some standard you have in your head. Homie and Heck are gone now.
I guess what I am saying is it doesn't really serve any purpose to complain about Richardson if he doesn't lead the league in all the major rushing categories.
Maybe we can bring back Terry Kirby. If he could grind out 500 yards at nearly 50 years old, that would be good value, wouldn't it?
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If by 'paid dearly', you mean sold the team for a billion dollars...
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Sure, Lerner made a boatload on the sale, but even he had to wince a little at flushing $40 million down the crapper. 
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Everything that's been written on here is why TRich isn't disappointing...he's concerning. I'm concerned that his injuries are an issue, but I'm not disappointed.
While it may seem like it's always something. Who cares. He's missed almost no time that matters. The preseason? Who cares. OTAs? who cares. As long as he is healthy when it matters. As long as he works hard when it matters.
I think that its incredibly hard to be disappointed in someone that set rookie records with broken ribs when just a season before we had a RB who bailed on the team for strep throat and a contract dispute.
His YPC was low and that sucks...and yes Hardesty did look good in his limited time because he hit the hole hard. I get why one would say he's been disappointing, I just don't agree with it.
On a team where there have been so many issues, this guy isn't one of them. Sure he's gotten knicked up this spring/summer, but everything they've said is that if it were a game...or a game week, he'd be out there. He's going to be fine.
1500 and 18 TDs this year.
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like your posts but first of all richardson had 1200 +total yards running in the afc north without a super bowl winning qb to keep the defense honest.
2richardson is clearly better than every running back the browns have had dating back to leroy kelley.
3 richardson displayed good to excellent durability only missing one game.
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I'm not sure I'd give him the title as best RB since Leroy Kelly right now. That's a stretch IMO. A big stretch.
Let's wait and see, but at this point he has been an injured, marginally effective player (especially when considering his draft slot).
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Sorry if I missed it, Cal. Gilkey seems well liked by the coaches' comments; he has obviously impressed the group and you as well. I am curious, what is the man bringing to the position the others lack or that he does better? We have had some lame guard play IMO since Steiny left. What makes him beat out the others in your opinion to nab the starter's job?
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TRich ranked 11th in rushing attempts. He got the ball quite a bit.
TRich ranked 18th in yards w/950.
TRich ranked 40th in yards per attempt, a paltry 3.6 average.
For comparison sake,
Peterson rushed for 6.0 yds. per attempt. So did C.J. Spiller
Charles: 5.3
Lynch: 5.0
Rookies? Morris had 4.8 avg and Martin's was 4.6. Martin broke off a 70 yard run. TRich's longest was 39.
What disappoints me about all of that is the fact that all those people who supported drafting him were saying he was the next Adrian Peterson. He wasn't close to that. Heck, there were other rookies who looked better. Additionally, we traded away players and moved up to get him in a very, very strong draft.
Furthermore, I claimed he would battle nagging injuries before the draft and injuries have been an issue thus far. It seems it's always something.
I also so a RB who wasn't very decisive in terms of hitting the hole. He danced too much. Hardesty did a better job of hitting the hole behind the same OL.
I hope he lives up to his billing as the best back since Peterson. Thus far, he has been far from that.
I fully agree with your disappointment, but in full disclosure I shared your opinion of the trade-up to pick him, and to a lesser extent the selection itself.
The whole "playing with broken ribs" thing was just dumb. A bunch of people trying to save their jobs (read: Heckert and Shurmur... Holmgren had to know he was gone) and running this guy into the ground. A lot of players will say they can go when really they shouldn't, and it's the coach's job to know when to say "take a seat" (see Shanahan/Griffin last season). If anything, all it really says is we don't know how good of a player Richardson is... but he was not the difference-maker he was drafted to be as a rookie.
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Sorry if I missed it, Cal. Gilkey seems well liked by the coaches' comments; he has obviously impressed the group and you as well. I am curious, what is the man bringing to the position the others lack or that he does better? We have had some lame guard play IMO since Steiny left. What makes him beat out the others in your opinion to nab the starter's job?
Size, attitude and a mean streak. He obviously has a lot to learn from a technique standpoint, but IMHO he brings an aggressiveness that compliments Joe, Mack & Miller immensely.
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I must say that I'm a little confused here Vers. Firstly, I feel the reason you get called out is more from your abrasive posting style. My dad always told me it's not what you say, but how you say it. And whether you are willing to admit it or not, your posting style reads as very confrontational. So it's really easy to see why you get called out so much. I'm not saying you're wrong to post that way or that you should change, but you must expect what you give.  Now in regards to TRich and Hardesty............. You freely knock the past regime for their abilities and as time has gone on I really have no argument with that sentiment. You made a point that has been made by many that when your top picks don't pan out, your franchise pays for that big time over the long haul. I'm pretty sure that bothers every Browns fan that knows anything about football. Even a little bit about football. But I suppose the bigger question here is, what did you expect? If as you profess these guys were terrible at their jobs, you get bad results. You get people reaching for draft picks. So while it bothers us all that we aren't seeing many of our draft picks being as productive, or in some cases as healthy as we'd like, when you have people that you yourself describe as "bad at their jobs", (to put it mildly), you get bad results. Hardesty was drafted with an injury history which has followed him. TRich, while not as much of an injury history has thus far been banged up pretty regularly. That's just how it is. I didn't care for the way TRich danced in the backfield. I hope that's something that can be corrected. So let me get this straight for the sake of keeping things honest here. You yourself say TRich was drafted too high by people that were not good at their jobs. He was coached by a guy who wasn't capable of even being an NFL HC. But it's TRich you're disappointed in? Somehow the math on that one doesn't add up to me. In your own theory as I understand it, you're disappointed in a player you feel was drafted too high by people that were underqualified to be doing the drafting. I would think the disappointment would lie there, not with the player they drafted. I feel IF he can stay healthy and IF they can get him to quit dancing in the backfield, he will be a very good RB. Top 10 in the league at least. And I don't fault the player for where he was drafted or the expectations brought upon him by the people who drafted him. I would blame that on the people who sold the farm to draft him that high. Or am I missing something here?
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