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I have my concerns about him like many others, but I got nothiing from those statements that indicated he was a loser.

What did you read that I didn't?




He's basically saying 'since I'm so big and fast and fluid, it looks like I'm coasting when I'm not'.

Which is ridiculous.

Now, I haven't seen him practice, so I can't speak to him trying hard or dogging it. But that's as bad of an explanation as 'I had strep throat and took cough syrup'.

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Didn't the league reduce Gordon's suspension because his excuse checked out?

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Didn't the league reduce Gordon's suspension because his excuse checked out?




Nope.

That's just something a lot of posters here desperately wanted to believe.

https://www.nflplayers.com/about-us/history/Player-Policies/Drug-Policy/

Page 35, Appendix E, Section 2.

Also, if he had a prescription from a doctor for codeine cough syrup as he said, he's allowed to take it without repercussions, so long as his use doesn't exceed 30 days after the expiration of the script.

Gordon's excuse was a bald faced lie.

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Didn't the league reduce Gordon's suspension because his excuse checked out?




Not necessarily. They could have reduced his suspension because he did not test positive for the same banned substance twice in a row, and it wasn't considered a PED.

The NFL does not comment on what they suspend a player for outside of whether it was a violation for a PED, or another banned substance.

As far as Gordon's running goes, he does have more of a long strider to him than the other receivers we have. Being more open with the media would probably help him a great deal. He could explain some of the things that concern people on the outside, as he did today.


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Gordon had a successful rookie season in a crappy offense with a crappy coach. I will start to be worried if he loafs it on the field during a game.

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LOL.......you certainly dismissed the answer to your question abruptly. What, didn't get the answer you wanted?

You know, I can get the long-stride thing. T. Pryor was like that at Ohio State. Looked like he was barely running, but he was blowing by guys. I'll give him that.

However, what about being the last to line up for drills? What about his BS answer about not joining Little and Weeds after practice? What about giving up on routes? What about taking his time getting back to the huddle?

We all make mistakes in life. But, if it were me, I would be busting my butt to show my coaches and teammates I felt bad about letting them down and I was going to work harder than anyone moving forward. It's like he doesn't feel guilty at all.

Entitlement. Selfishness.

The kid has great talent. He'll make some extraordinary plays this year and most will go ga-ga again. But, the odds are that he is going to let everyone down again, and next time it's going to be more severe than just a 2-game suspension.

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I also thought of Pryor when he said that. Some people just have that long effortless stride.

If he's having knee issues, stretching is probably good for him. His knee probably isn't keeping him from hitting the JUGS, but are his hands an issue? Law of Diminishing Returns says he should get his knee feeling 100% and then get out there and improve his route running.


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1) I wish reporters would back off of Gordon.. dude is the best WR we have.. off the field issues or not. Dude is a beast.

2) I wouldn't play T-Rich until the regular season starts.. simple as that.


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...dude is the best WR we have.. off the field issues or not.



He very well may be. However these issues as Vers pointed out, have the unfortunate tendency to cascade down and negatively impact the rest of the team...


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Interesting take on many, many levels.

We could have a great philosophical discussion about that mindset. I suppose it explains a lot about exactly where we are at in this country.

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The team site recently showed some live shots of practice. There are a couple of drills showing Gordon. In the first, he ran a bit slow and appeared to be favoring his knee. Maybe he was told to take it easy.

The second drill involved catching a pass "over the shoulder" of a dummy. All of the other receivers were rapidly moving their hands, apparently as part of the drill. Gordon was clearly giving a half-hearted effort here. Very obvious.

With all that, if he plays well and keeps his nose clean, all is well. I'm hoping Little and Bess will help teach him how to be a better pro.

Oh, and there is a HUGE hole in section b of the description for "abuse of prescription drugs" in the policy document. Anybody notice? If this were a real court case, he'd walk.

Also, I could not find any requirement for "prior notification" by a player taking a prescription drug. This might be in another document.

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Not staying after practice doesnt bother me, especially if he does have some tendonitis cause I know you need to ice it down after practice to keep the swelling down and to keep it from flaring up. Usually some stretches and then some ice, well thats what they used to do.

The way he runs does make it look like he is always in cruise control.

The dragging ass back to the huddle and being the last in drills is just his immaturity showing and the lazy attitude that parents have embedded in their kids. Gotta break that attitude or it can spread.

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Gordon said, “Certain people see different things when they look at me run, look at me move. It might look slow because I’m a little bit larger player at my position, so it might be a little bit deceptive, compared to everybody else (with) a little bit shorter strides, shorter movements. But I go out here 100 percent every day.”




It sounds more and more like this kid is a loser.

I hope he gets it together.




That's funny, the reporter thought he handled that question well (and so did I) and you got that he's a loser out of that.. wierd...

As for the negative questions, he did something really stupid,, so he's got to expect rough questions. that's the way it works..


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1) I wish reporters would back off of Gordon.. dude is the best WR we have.. off the field issues or not. Dude is a beast.




Yeah, let's back off the guy. I mean, sure, he's a habitual liar and a drug addict, and he's costing his team as a result of it, but the kid can play.

Maybe a pat on the back is in order.

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While I certainly lean more to your side of this maybe what HotB is trying to say is that it's alright to move on if you're the media. So many times they harp on the same thing over and over and over again. It's like it's been asked and answered. Now let's move on. The media can be incredibly annoying and over the top.

I'm not sure if all local media is as bad as Cleveland's, but they have to be near the bottom. Asking the same questions over and over again, never being able to move on from a topic, and just the volume of dumb questions that come from them is enough to drive any coach or playerr crazy.


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While I certainly lean more to your side of this maybe what HotB is trying to say is that it's alright to move on if you're the media. So many times they harp on the same thing over and over and over again. It's like it's been asked and answered. Now let's move on. The media can be incredibly annoying and over the top.

I'm not sure if all local media is as bad as Cleveland's, but they have to be near the bottom. Asking the same questions over and over again, never being able to move on from a topic, and just the volume of dumb questions that come from them is enough to drive any coach or playerr crazy.




I see what you're saying. However...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Gordon been reluctant to talk to media? I can understand why, but 2+2=4.

The team's best WR + ever mounting issues + a reluctance to discuss them and/or outright lying about them = Story.

Reporters would be dumb not to.

To be honest, in Gordon's case I think the Cleveland media has been too easy on him when they get a chance to talk to him.

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I don't recall Gordon dodging the media.

Anyone else remember this?


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I've read a couple of things along those lines. I'll see if I can find some.

But from the article:

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Gordon (6-foot-3, 225 pounds) hadn’t done a group interview since the run-up to camp, when he first discussed the two-game suspension he will serve to start the season for violating the league’s substance-abuse policy. On Saturday, the subjects that put Gordon on the defensive were his effort and work ethic.




To be fair, if I were him, I'd be dodging the media.

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a note to mac... dude, when you post an article to back up your position or to attack someone else's you might fully read the article as you may find within one article two conflicting statements.

For instance. TR says...

"Cleveland's running back revealed Monday that he played most of his first season in the NFL with two broken ribs"

The team says...

"The Browns listed Richardson as having a rib cartilage injury throughout the season on their injury report."

So which is it? "two broken ribs" or a "rib cartilage injury"?

Broken ribs better suits your stance so you use it to prove your point.

On the other hand, "rib cartilage injury" proves the, "ridiculous point of view", as you said it, of the guy you are attacking.

The way he played it sure appears as though the team statement was the more accurate of the two differing statements.

So which do you think is really correct, the player's comment or the team's statement? Because you can't have it both ways nor can you ignore one for the benefit of the other.





dub...you do understand why the official word from the Browns differed from Richardson's account ?

The team is required to submit a weekly injury report to the league offices about the status of each injured player. If a player wants to continue playing through an injury, they might ask for pain killing injections to help cover up the pain and/or the trainers might devise a pad to protect the injured area to prevent further injury. The team then reports the injury as something less serious.

I'm not going to pretend to know how each team works the system to allow players to play through injuries, but it is done. Thus the official report from the Browns concerning TR's injury shows he had a cartilage injury rather than broken ribs.

I doubt that the Browns were happy about TR admitting he had broken ribs, even though he did wait until after the season was over (Dec 31) to comment on the issue.

To those who see Richardson's broken ribs as an excuse...TR went out of his way "not to use" his broken ribs as an excuse for his rookie season performance.

There are "reasons" that once known, help us to better understand the circumstances Richardson was dealing with during his rookie season. Some may choose to ignore those "reasons", going to the extreme of calling Richardson a liar.

Hopefully most will simply will have a better understanding of the issues Trent dealt with during his rookie season.


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The team is required to submit a weekly injury report to the league offices about the status of each injured player. If a player wants to continue playing through an injury, they might ask for pain killing injections to help cover up the pain and/or the trainers might devise a pad to protect the injured area to prevent further injury. The team then reports the injury as something less serious.

I'm not going to pretend to know how each team works the system to allow players to play through injuries, but it is done. Thus the official report from the Browns concerning TR's injury shows he had a cartilage injury rather than broken ribs.




Is this really how it works? I don't know, but something doesn't seem right with that explanation. Aren't there rules about accurately reporting an injury? And if the report was "broken ribs," how would that affect a player viz-a-viz the NFL authorities? Is it against the rules to play with broken ribs? Not sure what the team's reason for lying about it would be.

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LOL.......you certainly dismissed the answer to your question abruptly. What, didn't get the answer you wanted?




No, it was a legitimate question that I didn't know the answer to. I got the answer and moved on.

Is there something wrong with that?

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Not sure what the team's reason for lying about it would be.




Because to say they were fits in with the typical conspiracy theory/reading between-the-lines that allows one legitimate point to be discarded for another.


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I've read a couple of things along those lines. I'll see if I can find some.

But from the article:

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Gordon (6-foot-3, 225 pounds) hadn’t done a group interview since the run-up to camp, when he first discussed the two-game suspension he will serve to start the season for violating the league’s substance-abuse policy. On Saturday, the subjects that put Gordon on the defensive were his effort and work ethic.




To be fair, if I were him, I'd be dodging the media.




LOL, Personally, I'd dodge the media even if I wasn't him. But I recognize that interviews are expected so from that perspective, I'd hope he'd do them and handle himself well.

By the way, they had that comment on Video on the NBC station here and I can see why the reporter thought he handled it well.. Something is missed in the written version. FWIW


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I don't recall Gordon dodging the media.

Anyone else remember this?




I don't know if he dodges the media or not, but this is a comment from Grossi's article on the previous page:

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I think if Gordon wasn’t so elusive after practice, he wouldn’t be deluged with negative questions as much.




I can't believe no one has commented on the following quote,


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To a question about chemistry with quarterback Brandon Weeden, Gordon said it’s “right where we want it to be, (but) you always want to work on it to get better.”

That answer prompted me to ask why Gordon, unlike Greg Little, is never seen putting in extra time with his quarterback after practice.

He answered, “Well, the past few days I’ve just been going inside … getting treatment, taking care of my body for my needs. I do other things like looking at film, and other times might not be out here but I’ll be inside catching from JUGS (machine), doing other things, stretching, stuff like that.”




It cracked me up because it was so obvious that he was making it up. Reminds me of a little kid who ate all the cookies..........."Well, what had happened was...... "



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In answer to my question, Chudzinski said he has no plans at present to copy the San Francisco 49ers and locate a big lineman to audition as a blocking fullback.






What a crazy idea that is the 49ers employ. Sounds like some crazy plan some out of his mind message board poster would come up with!


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a note to mac... dude, when you post an article to back up your position or to attack someone else's you might fully read the article as you may find within one article two conflicting statements.

For instance. TR says...

"Cleveland's running back revealed Monday that he played most of his first season in the NFL with two broken ribs"

The team says...

"The Browns listed Richardson as having a rib cartilage injury throughout the season on their injury report."

So which is it? "two broken ribs" or a "rib cartilage injury"?

Broken ribs better suits your stance so you use it to prove your point.

On the other hand, "rib cartilage injury" proves the, "ridiculous point of view", as you said it, of the guy you are attacking.

The way he played it sure appears as though the team statement was the more accurate of the two differing statements.

So which do you think is really correct, the player's comment or the team's statement? Because you can't have it both ways nor can you ignore one for the benefit of the other.





dub...you do understand why the official word from the Browns differed from Richardson's account ?

The team is required to submit a weekly injury report to the league offices about the status of each injured player. If a player wants to continue playing through an injury, they might ask for pain killing injections to help cover up the pain and/or the trainers might devise a pad to protect the injured area to prevent further injury. The team then reports the injury as something less serious.

I'm not going to pretend to know how each team works the system to allow players to play through injuries, but it is done. Thus the official report from the Browns concerning TR's injury shows he had a cartilage injury rather than broken ribs.

I doubt that the Browns were happy about TR admitting he had broken ribs, even though he did wait until after the season was over (Dec 31) to comment on the issue.

To those who see Richardson's broken ribs as an excuse...TR went out of his way "not to use" his broken ribs as an excuse for his rookie season performance.

There are "reasons" that once known, help us to better understand the circumstances Richardson was dealing with during his rookie season. Some may choose to ignore those "reasons", going to the extreme of calling Richardson a liar.

Hopefully most will simply will have a better understanding of the issues Trent dealt with during his rookie season.




Fracturing your rib cartilage, is just as painful as a rib. They both the same in annoyance during recovery. You cant turn, everytime, you get up from lying down hurts, you got to move your whole body to turn... I have had guys tell me that had both, that the cartilage is worse. I've only cracked the cartilage, never the rib so I cant say for myself.

And for those naysayers, the reason cartilage feels worse sometimes is because the rib is fixed and solid, cartilage a lil softer and more flexible. Therefore while healing, the ribs dont move as much.

Either way, playing rb in NFL, even with a vest on, has got to be painful and limitating.

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It cracked me up because it was so obvious that he was making it up. Reminds me of a little kid who ate all the cookies..........."Well, what had happened was...... "





When you have tendonitis as soon as practice is over the treatment is go to the training room for some stretching exercises then ice. You have a problem with the kid and thats fine but its pointless and kinda petty to pick apart his comments when nothing he said was negative in any way.

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In answer to my question, Chudzinski said he has no plans at present to copy the San Francisco 49ers and locate a big lineman to audition as a blocking fullback.






What a crazy idea that is the 49ers employ. Sounds like some crazy plan some out of his mind message board poster would come up with!





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In answer to my question, Chudzinski said he has no plans at present to copy the San Francisco 49ers and locate a big lineman to audition as a blocking fullback.






What a crazy idea that is the 49ers employ. Sounds like some crazy plan some out of his mind message board poster would come up with!





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typical crap take out of context. here is what he said.

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In answer to my question, Chudzinski said he has no plans at present to copy the San Francisco 49ers and locate a big lineman to audition as a blocking fullback.

“They happen to have a guy or two that can do that,” he said. “Right now, we are just focused on our guys learning the base offense and base defense. Those types of things like crossing guys over on offense and defense, we can get to a little further down the road.”




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** The Browns practiced today in Day 14 of training camp. Here are some notes and highlights.
** Running back Montario Hardesty (hamstring tendon) returned to practice after missing several days. He was held out of team drills, but participated in special teams and individual drills and ran sprints after practice. His roster spot is in jeopardy.
** Tight end Brad Smelley (hamstring) returned and participated in team drills.
** Injured players not practicing were: cornerbacks Leon McFadden (groin) and Chris Owens (foot), receivers David Nelson and Jordan Norwood, offensive linemen Oniel Cousins (ankle), Ryan Miller (concussion), Shawn Lauvao (ankle surgery) and Chris Faulk (knee), defensive lineman Hall Davis (hamstring) and fullback Brock Bolen (calf).
** Quarterback Brandon Weeden threw a pair of gorgeous deep balls. Receiver Josh Gordon dropped one, and receiver Travis Benjamin caught the other.
** Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson attended practice and talked with owner Jimmy Haslam on the sideline.
** Cornerback Buster Skrine had his second straight active practice as he tries to win a starting job.
** Undrafted rookie cornerback Abdul Kanneh bounced back from a rough game vs. the Rams with a great practice. He intercepted Brian Hoyer and had multiple breakups. - See more at: http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2013/...h.YdHcwYbo.dpuf


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Browns training camp: Transcript from news conference with coach Rob Chudzinski
By Nate Ulrich Published: August 11, 2013

Opening statement: “We’ll get started with medical. We had Montario Hardesty back today. He got involved with some individual drills. We will continue to see how that goes and upgrade as we can. Today was a good day. These past two days have been good days in terms of work and really focusing on getting back to the basics. We had the shoulder pads on today so we were able to do a little bit more hitting, blocking and working on the fundamentals. Also, one of the things we have been emphasizing with the guys is trust. They’re learning. They are getting to know the offense, getting to know the defense and getting to know the special-teams packages. It’s been very individual in terms of that learning. Now we are really emphasizing with the guys working together as a unit, the offensive-line communication and so forth, secondary communication, and all the things you want to develop through trust, playing with each other and being lined up and comfortable with the guy next to you.”

On having two fans kick field goals to end the practice: “We grabbed a couple guys from the group of fans that were here today. For individual meetings that we had planned tonight, I told the guys if Anthony (Kinney, the first fan) made the field goal, the offense wouldn’t have their individual meetings tonight, and D.J. (Rapposelli) kicked for the defense, and if he made it, the defense wouldn’t have their meetings tonight. Both of the guys made it, of course, and the guys were pretty happy about that.”

On picking the fan kickers randomly: “Yeah. We just randomly picked them out. We had a little mini tryout before practice so we were sure that they could kick it, at least.”

On thoughts about Jordan Cameron: “He’s improved quite a bit. I think he is getting a better understanding and more comfortable with the offense. He’s a guy that has potential that you see. He has playmaking ability and he’s improved as a run blocker. He’ll continue to develop and I think Jon Embree has done a really nice job with him.”

On the friendly competitions between the players (offense had to eat peanut-butter sandwiches last night) and why he is doing it: “Well, competition makes people better. I’ve always felt that, and that’s gone back to base philosophy from when I was playing football. Different ways of creating competition, you get into the doldrums of training camp and different ways of creating some fun as well. Of course, I have a special place in my heart for the fans and getting them involved out here in practice. I think everybody enjoys.”

On Hardesty showing enough to show where he fits: “We have an idea. Hardesty coming back, hopefully that continues, there is still a lot of preseason left and he’ll have that opportunity to show us.”

On Brandon Weeden’s ability to throw deep passes: “It’s been something we’ve worked on. He has the arm to do it. I think he’s getting much more accurate as a deep-ball thrower. We have some guys with some good speed that can get down the field with them. I think that part of his game and our game is coming along.”

On Weeden looking better in the first preseason game than practice: “Everybody is up and down at this point in the preseason. When you are installing things, when things are new and different things are happening, there’s going to be ups and downs. I’ve said it before, it’s important that from a head coach standpoint that we have good competition. Offense is up some days, defense is up some days and we’ve kept a little score up there. So, there is a little back and forth that you just don’t see.”

On how many rookies have a legitimate shot at making the roster: “It is hard to tell right now. There are a lot of guys that are getting reps and some of the younger guys are because of the injuries and so forth. They have been able to get some time in games and some practice time. It always helps the younger players to get those opportunities. There is still a lot of ball to be played before we make those determinations. There is a group of guys that have made a lot of progress.”

On after starting possibly the most rookies in NFL history last year, what it says about the organization that a rookie may not start this year: “We didn’t have a lot of rookies this year, so that helps. From a starting standpoint when you are talking about starters I really don’t get caught up in the depth chart with who is starting. What I’m looking for and as a staff what we are looking for are guys that can play. When we find guys that can play we will find places and roles for them to help us win. To talk about starters isn’t as important to me as talking about finding guys who can play.”

On what Alex Mack needs to do on the line of scrimmage: “It’s a lot for centers, quarterbacks and guards. I’ve done it all different ways where different guys did it, but Alex is extremely bright. He has to know what the front is, where the secondary players are and who’s filling where. He has to identify all of the blocking schemes and tell everybody and communicate those things. It is a lot to know with a short amount of time to do it. That is where a guy like Alex separates himself. He can do it quickly and effectively.”

On the status of David Nelson: “He has made progress. We have been talking to him. We will just have to see how he comes along.”

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What a crazy idea that is the 49ers employ. Sounds like some crazy plan some out of his mind message board poster would come up with!





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On how many rookies have a legitimate shot at making the roster: “It is hard to tell right now. There are a lot of guys that are getting reps and some of the younger guys are because of the injuries and so forth. They have been able to get some time in games and some practice time. It always helps the younger players to get those opportunities. There is still a lot of ball to be played before we make those determinations. There is a group of guys that have made a lot of progress.”




I found this interesting. Puts the draft in perspective. Weren't some people unhappy about trading away picks and not getting much in the draft this year? And yet there is barely room on the team for the ones we did draft.

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I have serious doubts about David Nelson making this team.


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And if he does make the team if he survives past week two (when Gordon comes back).

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Gordon's gate reminds me of randy moss. He also plays a similar type of game. I hope he doesnt become a nutjob like moss.


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I do hope that he can deliver big seasons like Moss did though.

Man, Moss had 8 total seasons over 1200 yards ....... 4 seasons over 1400 yards ....... and 1 season over 1600 yards.

He had a 23 TD season, 2 17 TD seasons, a 15 TD season, and a 13 TD season. Man, that's impressive, especially given the fact that he really could be a headcase. He sometimes sucked as a teammate, but when his head was in the game there were very few better. His talent was incredible.


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Hard to have anything but doubts when the player hasn't played much in camp or preseason due to injury.

But you know what, signing a small 1 year contract at I think 680k - if he doesn't pan out it isn't much of a loss/hit/strike to this team. IMO with his size and etc, it was worth the gamble to see if he could rehab and get back. If not, cut ties and take your small loss.

He still has a chance/time to make a case for himself, but gotta stop tweaking his knee and etc and play ball in order for that to happen.

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Hard to have anything but doubts when the player hasn't played much in camp or preseason due to injury.

But you know what, signing a small 1 year contract at I think 680k - if he doesn't pan out it isn't much of a loss/hit/strike to this team. IMO with his size and etc, it was worth the gamble to see if he could rehab and get back. If not, cut ties and take your small loss.

He still has a chance/time to make a case for himself, but gotta stop tweaking his knee and etc and play ball in order for that to happen.




Agreed. I don't think it's a big financial loss to the team or even a bad decision if he's cut. He did prove himself as a big target WR when in Buffalo and if he can't stay healthy in the end, well we took a shot. He would have been great depth in the WR corp, but I think we are finding out that may exist with him not on the squad anyways.

Cameron and Barnidge lined up outside last Thursday too. There is a lot of versatility with all receivers, not the WR, with this team.


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