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Sorry, but you're making it sound way worse than it actually was just to bolster you point of view.
No, I'm not.
Have you ever worked in television?
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Bernie might end up not doing telecasts next year but my gut tells me Banner wasn't anywhere near pulling the trigger on firing him now. I also think you give Fisher way too much credit for the pull he has over other teams and the way they run their FO's. Fisher's teams are usually right up there with the dirtiest teams in the league so I doubt he's garnered as much goodwill as you think he has.
Wrong again.
Maybe it doesn't have to be Fisher. Let's make it the Rams GM, or the Rams owner.
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No, I'd just say you were being a contrarian to try and get a rise out of me. But if you published it as fact in a reputable news source I'd applaud Bernie when he sued your ass.
Twitter is a reputable news source?
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Not trying to beat a dead horse, but I do find this 'P.C./brutal honesty' stuff to be quite laughable.
90% of people who talk like this is a good thing would, have and do blow their stack when someone on Dawgtalkers is brutally honest with them.
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--Kosar wasn't really right, though. Clemons wasn't playing that poorly. Bernie already had his mind up from a preseason game he witnessed several years ago when Clemmons was w/the Jets.
--I also get sick of him only talking about "taking shots down the field." He thinks we should throw deep every stinking play.
--One thing most people are overlooking here. Bernie was an "analyst" during a live football game. This wasn't a talk show. He was being paid to analyze the game. He injected his opinion into the game and did a .-poor job of analyzing the game. He wasn't being paid to voice his opinion. He wasn't being to be controversial. He was being paid to offer analysis of the game. His constant negative comments that were bursting w/hyperbole, his numerous references to The U, his shameless backing of the QB that he knew from Miami, the St. Eds stuff, his neglect of most parts of the game, and his slurred speech were driving me crazy. The guy has no business announcing games on TV.
--I see a lot of defending of Bernie on here. Blaming others, like it is their fault that he acted unprofessionally. I wonder what you would all be saying if the St. Louis analyst was doing the game and personally attacked players on the Browns? I remember all the crying [page after page after page] because Jason Canofora or whatever his name is said the Browns were lacking some talent and this was an evaluative year. That was actually a pretty honest piece, yet y'all had a hissy fit. And now you are defending Bernie when there is little doubt he was wrong? Sorry, it doesn't ring true.
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I give Bernie credit for speaking his mind. Anybody who has problems with that is free to bash me for my opinion
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Bernie is Bernie, he was watching a Browns game and talking to Browns fans. He was doing it much the same as we would sitting around the TV together. No, he didn't pass the test to be a National Media announcer. He called everything the way he saw it.
He was no more wrong about what was going on in front of him than many of the other announcers who get paid big bucks to do it in the regular season. He just made his points differently. than they would, as a Browns fan talking to Browns fans.
I found his oft references to "The U" to be funny. He even played it as funny when he made a "U" reference in the middle of apologizing for his many "U" references.
It was a preseason game that he kept entertaining long after the entertainment value of it was gone.
Maybe I'm in the minority of those who feel no empathy for those poor Rams receivers who did little to help their QB by dropping passes and being out of position. Nobody knows what route they were supposed to run but a knowledgeable football guy like Bernie knows, once he has seen the route, whether or not they did it right.
Kellen Clemens was 6 of 13 vs our third and fourth stringers. I agree that at times it looked like he was picking the bottom of our roster apart but in reality he didn't play well at all.
I wish they'd let Bernie call all the preseason games however he will. I suspect that he and Joe sat in Banner's office and rolled on the floor laughing when Banner says, (while laughing like the dude's in the principals office in "Porky's" when BÖlbricker tells him, "I'd recognize that penis anywhere."), "You know I'm going to have to tell them I scolded you for this", to which Bernie chuckles when he replies, "Yeah, and I will tone it back a bit to make it look like you did and to keep this kind of stuff off the national media".
Personally, none of it bothered me, obviously, and I doubt it bothered the media who jumped on the "bash Bernie bandwagon" while simultaneously finding it amusing and wishing they had to balls to do the same.
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The guy should be announcing ALL of our games on TV
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I will say this: I'd take Bernie as Donovan's sidekick on the radio instead of Dieken. For whatever reason I find Dieken to be very annoying while listening to the games. He always sighs or grunts during the action and it's really aggravating.
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Dieken never makes eye contact either when he has a camera on him. It's like dude, if you're shy you "may" be in the wrong business.
Jim Donovan is hands down the voice of the Browns. The day he stops announcing and etc will be extremely sad time for Brown fans IMO. I'd take Bernie over Doug for the radio gig as' well though.
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I give Bernie credit for speaking his mind. Anybody who has problems with that is free to bash me for my opinion
Someone brought up the point that Charles Barkley pretty much does what he wants, and people just shrug it off and "Chuck being Chuck"
Chuck does it during national games, either at halftime, or the rare occurrence he's helping call the game.
Just like Bernie, we all love Barkley, because he has no filter, and he's great TV.
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No, I'm not.
Have you ever worked in television?
What Bernie did is a fireable offense. If he wasn't a Cleveland legend, the door would be hitting him in the behind.
Why wasn't Bernie fired then? Careful how you answer because it's somewhat of a trick question. One side of that argument is backed by undisputed fact. He wasn't fired. The other side of that argument - your side - is pure opinion or opinion stated as fact.
Just out of curiosity and since you opened the door, have you ever worked in television? If so, for how long, under what capacity, and were you ever involved in a situation like this before?
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Bernie might end up not doing telecasts next year but my gut tells me Banner wasn't anywhere near pulling the trigger on firing him now. I also think you give Fisher way too much credit for the pull he has over other teams and the way they run their FO's. Fisher's teams are usually right up there with the dirtiest teams in the league so I doubt he's garnered as much goodwill as you think he has.
Wrong again.
Wrong again? More opinion stated as fact.
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Maybe it doesn't have to be Fisher. Let's make it the Rams GM, or the Rams owner.
They pick up the phone and make threats, Bernie is fired.
Guess what? You're wrong again.  This is fun. I like telling people absolutes when it's just my opinion.
So let me get this straight. Bernie used no racial slurs. He used no curse words. He didn't do anything even remotely considered taboo in this day and age and Banner is going to get bullied by some other organization telling him what to do? Sorry if I can't get on that train with you. I can't because it makes no sense at all.
I think this thread is somewhat predictable. If you were to take a poll of 'Who Do You Think The Most Uptight Posters Are in Real Life?" the ones who are going way overboard on this Kosar thing would make that list. You could have predicted which side people would have been on before even opening this thread and you would have been correct.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I will say this: I'd take Bernie as Donovan's sidekick on the radio instead of Dieken.
Ah, now this is an interesting twist. Believe it or not, I would like Bernie to replace Dieken as well. How can that be given my criticism of him for his preseason commentary? Because the CONTEXT is right. ddubia -- you've got one thing right. Bernie was a Browns fan talking to Browns fans. That's the problem. He was doing it as an NFL t.v. commentator who was supposed to be talking to the nation, or whoever cared to listen. The game goes on NFL Network. That comes with a responsibility, a responsibility to be a professional. If he really was only commenting on a game exclusively for Browns fans, that's a different story. Bottom line: context matters.
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Fisher...way over respected by the league...they treat him like he's Belicheck or Walsh.
Where has been the mass media as Bernie has been just as critical of the Browns play. In that first qtr...Bradford mad some good throws and they were dropped...at least 3 that I can remember off hand.
Bernie was too far off. Sure his bedside manner might suck. Fisher is doing just a flim flam to get the pressure off his team as they SUCKED!!!
I use to respect him as a tough nosed coach. Since the RG3 scam - he's a piece of turd to me and this didn't help it much. 
We made Bernie apologize to Fisher... 
Oh n King is an IDIOT brown noser to Fisher.
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Oh n King is an IDIOT brown noser to Fisher.
Not sure if it's been brought up, but Fisher and King share the same agent.
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please don't tell me it is Bob LaMonte haha
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Now King has apologized ....... Sports Illustrated's Peter King says he was out of line for Bernie Kosar question; gives kudos to Terry Pluto | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._special-reportFormer Cleveland Browns quarterback and current Browns television analyst Bernie Kosar caused quite a stir last week with his comments on St. Louis Rams' third-string quarterback Kellen Clemens, their receivers and receivers coach, Ray Sherman. Sports Illustrated writer Peter King criticized Kosar via his Twitter account, even questioning if he was drunk during the broadcast. King tweeted: EARTH CITY, Mo.--My question for Kosar after comments in Cle-StL preseason game: Were you drinking? Good guy. But waaay over the top here. — Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) August 11, 2013 If Kosar's judgment has been impacted by concussions, then the Browns should be heavily criticized for putting him on a 3-hr telecast, — Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) August 11, 2013 Don't go saying, "Bernie doesn't know what he's saying because of concussions." Doesn't work that way. If you're on air, you're responsible. — Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) August 11, 2013 The Plain Dealer's Terry Pluto wrote a column on the situation, stating that an apology from Kosar is fine, but calling for his job is going over the line. "Let's start with this: There is absolutely no reason for Bernie Kosar to be fired for his comments during the Browns/St. Louis Rams preseason game last week. The former Browns quarterback said some dumb stuff. And it was smart that Browns CEO Joe Banner apologized for Kosar using an "unprofessional approach" in some of his comments. Banner worked in Philadelphia for most of his career. He knows there's no reason for Kosar to be booted out of the booth, and the best action is to talk to Kosar about his approach to the games. But fire him? For what? Being in a bad mood and coming off as grumpy? His harsh tone and almost constant criticism and preoccupation with the Rams was strange, especially since his real job is to talk to Browns fans about their team." SI's King later tweeted he was wrong for what he said about Kosar and gave kudos to Pluto. King is also expected to write a column on TheMMQB.com today. I was out of line for my question to Bernie Kosar here Saturday. My fault--no one else's. Will be writing about it @theMMQB Tuesday. — Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) August 13, 2013 And one other thing: Kudos to @terrypluto. He was absolutely right. — Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) August 13, 2013 The Plain Dealer's Bill Livingston also added that Kosar was right with his criticism of the Rams. "Was the Browns' analyst wrong? Of course not. St. Louis' receivers have been lousy since Mike Martz left. I'll take that any day instead of the nameless, faceless cheerleaders that call games for the home team." St. Louis coach Jeff Fisher said he lost a lot of respect for Kosar after his comments during Thursday's preseason game at FirstEnergy Stadium. "First off, let me say this: The Cleveland Browns' organization is a first-class organization from top to bottom and it has been that for years and years and years," Fisher said. "I guess I'm a little disappointed. I feel bad for them that they had someone doing their broadcast feel the need to speak that way about players, specifically on our team and coaches for that matter. "I'm just surprised that Bernie has such a lack of respect for players and this game. To be honest with you, I lost a lot of respect for him. It's highly unlikely he knew anything about our football team, but felt the need to make those comments. I don't think they were justified."
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"My fault--no one else's. Will be writing about it @theMMQB Tuesday"
I have no idea what the MMQB is and won't read his article, his apology was all I cared about hearing. He can now drop it.
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Can we get back to talking about Kosar as a possible consultant? I want to be there when Weeden makes the wrong read in practice and Kosar says, "You are horrible, your parents should be ashamed." 
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I think that Twitter will lead to the downfall of many public figures over the next few years. It's just too immediate and easy to pop off a one-liner that will later get a person in trouble. It takes an extra second or two to run one's line through a filter... and Twitter makes it too easy to bypass that filter.
For now, it's like a new toy for folks... and there's a learning curve to knowing how to safely play with that toy. A learning curve we're seeing with many public persons.
I like how Alonzo Mourning's advice to Greg Little ("stay tee eff off of Twitter") resulted in increased production almost immediately. I don't think it was a coincidence at all.
Just another avenue for folks to get their "Andy Warhol 15"... and if they aren't smart about how they use it, it could always be their "last 15'... with every post they tweet.
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I have no idea what the MMQB is and won't read his article, his apology was all I cared about hearing. He can now drop it.
MMQB is his article each week. It stands for Monday Morning Quarterback..
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LIke I said, he wasn't wrong with his comments,, but perhaps it was harsh and he should have been a little more PC aobut it.
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I'm sure that he'd be brutal in the film room... which ain't necessarily a bad thing. It's private, in-house- and he can use any language he wants behind closed doors. As long as the message gets through and the lesson's learned, all is good.
The rules for interaction are a little more relaxed for him in a consultant capacity than they are as PR personality. Every family has 'that crazy uncle at the reunion,' but that doesn't mean you can't learn a little something between the potato salad and the game of horseshoes...
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I want to be there when Weeden makes the wrong read in practice and Kosar says, "You are horrible, your parents should be ashamed."
Or to be much closer to what was actually said... "If I were your dad I would be embarrassed."
That's the funny thing here. People do make it sound as if Kosar actually said their parents should be embarrassed when he actually said he would feel that way if he were their parents.
And hey, if it helped Weeden, would anyone really care?
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Same here. I'd also have a problem calling myself a man if I performed an action known as tweeting. I don't care what people are thinking every second, and I know people don't care to know what is happening with me every second. Twitter is a bunch of garbage serving self-absorbed attention whores, in my opinion.
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[quote Twitter is a bunch of garbage serving self-absorbed attention whores, in my opinion.
which means its perfect for the likes of Peter King. 
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Not sure why I find that so funny... but I do.
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For now, it's like a new toy for folks... and there's a learning curve to knowing how to safely play with that toy. A learning curve we're seeing with many public persons.
My biggest problem with Twitter is that the Twitter response often eclipses the actual story in the news...
Some guy gets hurt or some guy gets accused of using steroids or some guy has a beef with his coach, they do 2 minutes on the story and 6 minutes on what 100 people tweeted about the story.... that does bug me.
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I think that Twitter will lead to the downfall of many public figures over the next few years. It's just too immediate and easy to pop off a one-liner that will later get a person in trouble. It takes an extra second or two to run one's line through a filter... and Twitter makes it too easy to bypass that filter.
For now, it's like a new toy for folks... and there's a learning curve to knowing how to safely play with that toy. A learning curve we're seeing with many public persons.
I like how Alonzo Mourning's advice to Greg Little ("stay tee eff off of Twitter") resulted in increased production almost immediately. I don't think it was a coincidence at all.
Just another avenue for folks to get their "Andy Warhol 15"... and if they aren't smart about how they use it, it could always be their "last 15'... with every post they tweet.
Twitter: Never been there. Probably won't go there. I'm not missing what I never had.
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Twitter is incredible. A great platform for getting news quicker, and getting a plethora of information.
I think what you're going to see is a ban on Twitter for players on pro and college teams. I don't know if legally they can do that, but I think it's one way to stop people from making themselves out to be fools. I still think the bigger weapon by far is the cell phone camera.
Riley Cooper would have had that last second before he hit send, but that doesn't apply when you're speaking and someone has the red light going.
I understand people being unwilling to understand twitter. However, knocking it without knowing how it works and what it's about, and possibly even trying it, is hilarious. Get off my lawn.
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My biggest problem with Twitter is that the Twitter response often eclipses the actual story in the news...
Some guy gets hurt or some guy gets accused of using steroids or some guy has a beef with his coach, they do 2 minutes on the story and 6 minutes on what 100 people tweeted about the story.... that does bug me.
Yeah, that annoys me. Not as much as every beat reporter and wannabee tweeting about a play that happens in training camp. Awful.
Live tweeting anything is horrible. I mean I tweet during Browns games, but not every second, but people who are nonstop during games or TV shows or awards show, etc.. it's the worst.
Do you really need to live tweet the Browns game?, I mean all of us Browns fans are watching. I guess if you're a Steeler, Raven, or Bengal fan who follows a Browns beat reporter to keep tabs on the rest of the AFCN, it's kinda nice to get an update but 90% of their followers are Browns fans.
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Not as much as every beat reporter and wannabee tweeting about a play that happens in training camp. Awful.
You just have to be selective in who you follow.. for example, I like following Mark Schlereth because he tweets out some interesting stuff... but every 3rd one is him retweeting some other guys tweet about how good his green chili sauce is... 
Oh and the best follow I've found, bar none, is Jay Bilas.
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That's the funny thing here. People do make it sound as if Kosar actually said their parents should be embarrassed when he actually said he would feel that way if he were their parents.
How different are those two things?
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That's the funny thing here. People do make it sound as if Kosar actually said their parents should be embarrassed when he actually said he would feel that way if he were their parents.
How different are those two things?
It really is kind of funny that we spend days discussing that Bernie said without even really thinking about it.... this is the State of the Union where thought is put into pretty much every word and how it can be interpreted...
Simple fact is that Bernie thought he was playing very poorly, chose to express it the way he did without thinking about it.. some people are ok with it, some think he went too far.... and we spend days discussing the semantics of each word and phrase...
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If you could be sure it was accurate and factual, then yeah, it would be terrific. but you can't. so what's it worth? Nothing.
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Disagree here. I've found this to be the best use of twitter. I like hearing about how guys are doing in camp on a real time basis. Makes you feel like you are there. And when looked at in totality, it gives you a picture of how guys are doing.
You lauded twitter for being a fast source of information in a previous post, then just blasted it for providing fast information on a relevant topic.
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I think it's quite a bit different. When people keep insisting he said the parents of the players should be embarrassed, that's not what he said at all.
I do think he went a little over the edge, but if people are going to point fingers, it should be noted what he did and didn't say.
ie.... what I would feel or do in any given situation is not telling others what they should do in the same situation. It's simply describing how I would feel or act in that situation.
I do believe that is two different things.
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Twitter is great, but it's not perfect.
The problem with Twitter is the twit doing the tweeting. (Did I get that right?) 
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I will say this: I'd take Bernie as Donovan's sidekick on the radio instead of Dieken. For whatever reason I find Dieken to be very annoying while listening to the games. He always sighs or grunts during the action and it's really aggravating.
Doug takes the same way in person. that's just Doug
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I think it's quite a bit different. When people keep insisting he said the parents of the players should be embarrassed, that's not what he said at all.
I do think he went a little over the edge, but if people are going to point fingers, it should be noted what he did and didn't say.
ie.... what I would feel or do in any given situation is not telling others what they should do in the same situation. It's simply describing how I would feel or act in that situation.
I do believe that is two different things.
Fair enough, I see where you're coming from with that. Thanks for the explanation.
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CapCity, I am really trying to get a grasp on something here.
1. Did you know what Bernie actually said?
2. Did you accept the meaning others were putting on his words without really thinking about it?
3. Did you not know the difference in meaning of the phrases "I would be" and "They should be" until it was explained.?
Those who are saying "He said their parents should be embarrassed" are flat-out lying, I see no other explanation for their behavior. The same crowd is also saying he is stupid, drunk, mentally unstable, etc.
For at least some of them, I understand why they do it. It is the people who hear this, and continue to believe it in the face of contradictory facts, that concern me.
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Not as much as every beat reporter and wannabee tweeting about a play that happens in training camp. Awful.
Disagree here. I've found this to be the best use of twitter. I like hearing about how guys are doing in camp on a real time basis. Makes you feel like you are there. And when looked at in totality, it gives you a picture of how guys are doing.
You lauded twitter for being a fast source of information in a previous post, then just blasted it for providing fast information on a relevant topic.
I don't want play by play of training camp. An article summing up the day's events and who's having a good/bad camp? Yes! Great source of info.
That's a shot more at the subject matter than the application of Twitter itself. I've seen so many bad players look good in TC and the preseason that I just take all of it with a grain of salt.
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