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Yeah, I think they will probably keep Ward. Provided he can stay healthy. It's a big year for him.
I was pretty disappointed in Bademosi the other night. Been reading a lot about him, but he seemed lost at FS. Very slow to react. Poor instincts.
I do understand he is just learning the position, but I hope Gipson gets healthy and stays healthy.
I'm not too worried about Bademosi, especially given that he just moved to the position, what?, 2 weeks ago ..... started out at FS .... practiced at FS when Gipson was hurt ...... then moved to play SS when Ward was out. They have thrown a ton at him so far. Horton has already said that he's not ready mentally yet. I would almost be stunned if he was.
He still hits hard, and sticks people when he tackles them.
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I'm not criticizing Bad-Man as much as I am saying I don't think he is ready to start at FS in the NFL. I think Gipson is better prepared to handle the position.
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Probably so right now, especially given that he's only played S in this training camp, and he's had to split time between both positions because of injury. I do like him at the position though, I wanted to see him there last year. Bademosi did a great job on a run down by the goal line, where he just buried the runner. (RB, IIRC) The runner got to exactly where Bademosi made contact, and he didn't go an inch further., 
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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I did not focus on the defensive players at all from Thursday's game, but I discovered something really cool on the NFL site. If you pay $19.99 you get all the preseason games for all of the teams, and you can watch them whenever you want. The cool part is you can watch the normal version or a condensed version. The condensed version is badass. Just play after play after play. What a great product at a great value. Watched the first half of the JAGS / Miami and JETS / Detroit game last night. Ouch. If Thursday was any indication of how we stack up against some awful teams, good things are ahead for us. I can't tell if Tannehill is any good behind that sieve of an offensive line. How is Gabbert still in the NFL? And ditto for Sanchez.
As to Bademosi, I feel like there's a Bademosi and a Gipson on this team every year. Neither will be the long-term answer. There's a reason these guys were undrafted. If one of them ends up having a pro bowl type of year this year, that would be awesome. I suspect we will look to upgrade the position in the offseason. I hope they defy the odds and prove me wrong.
As to Bademosi vs. Gipson, most reports coming out of camp have been favoring Gipson over Bademosi, in general. Just having a better camp regardless of where they are playing.
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I was looking at that site, but got sidetracked. Those games only come on to your computer, right? You can't view them on the TV? I do have a cable to run from my pc to my tv, but I moved to a new house and the TV/PC aren't that close to each other anymore.
You are probably right about the safeties. I don't think we need either to be a Pro Bowler, but hopefully one turns out okay. One thing that sticks in my mind about Gipson: Jauron was a pretty conservative coach, but he knows the game. He heaped a bunch of praise on Gipson last year and even said he was looking for reasons why he didn't get drafted earlier, but he couldn't find a single reason. The new regime also seems to like this guy.
Now, I haven't watched enough of him to know if he is any good or not. It's all about trying to read carefully and between the lines and wishful thinking. So again, you are probably right.........even if I hope you aren't.
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You can play it on your computer, laptop, or iPad. The iPad actually has an app for it which is pretty cool. And I imagine you can string a cable from any of those to your TV.
But I'm pretty sure you cannot get through your normal cable TV provider. Has to come from the NFL internet site.
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Again though, Bademosi has played both FS and SS in his 2 weeks or so of being a S.
It's no wonder that Gipson would be ahead, given that he played FS all of last year, including the preseason.
The things I really like about Bademosi are his tackling, willingness to plant a receiver or ball carrier, his speed, and his absolute determination to make himself better each and every day. I'm sure not going to bet against him.
I would add that I think that FS is a position you can "build" at the NFL level. If you get a guy who is a CB, but maybe doesn't have all of the attributes needed to be a great CB ..... but who is a solid cover guy, who is a good and willing tackler, is strong, and fast .... then you can work with that kind of guy and develop him into a FS type. He might lack the hips to play on the outside and stay with the premier receivers one on one ..... but maybe he can handle center field, and has solid instincts to get to the ball. That guy can be developed over time ..... much like a Guard can be developed by a team over the course of a few years.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Alright. Thanks. I'm going to look into it.
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LOL..............you are funny sometimes w/how much you love a player. And no, I am not making fun of you. It just cracks me up. 
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He's had his mind set on Bademosi since last year.
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Yep. I really think that Bademosi can be a really outstanding player. he has that drive and determination to do whatever it takes to succeed that I really like and respect. I'm never afraid to take an opinion on a guy, and I'll take my beating if I'm wrong. I don't pretend that I had a different opinion if mine turns out to be wrong. I liked Greco all along too .... and he's done pretty well since he became a starter. I have had other players that I didn't think had the ability to play at this level consistently, and I have been beaten on relentlessly regarding some of them .... even if I've been right in the long run. Anyway .... if I'm wrong about Bademosi, I'm sure that some people will remind me .... and one or 2 will probably try to ridicule me for daring have had an opinion to start with ..... but c'est la vie. On a completely unrelated topic ...... I was watching the Minnesota preseason game, and the Vikings announcers were going over their early schedule, and they agreed not to sleep on Cleveland, and that we have the look of a team who could be significantly improved. I was kind of shocked.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I won't beat you up over it, my man.
I didn't know much about the kid at all. I read some comments on here, mostly by you--LOL, and decided to watch him closely the other night. I was disappointed. Not w/his physicality, but in regards to not being where he should be.
I am not saying what he will become one way or the other. I haven't watched him enough for that, but as of right now............I don't think he is ready. I pray Gipson is better. If not, we are in trouble.
In the end, I don't care who plays. I don't really have "my guys." I just want the best players to play for "my Browns."
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I want the best guys to play as well ..... but I do have some opinions on players. (like everyone else does)
I see Bademosi as a very raw product right now ..... started out learning FS in camp, and was tossed in at SS in the game. (in place of Ward) I think that he played most of camp to that point at FS, in place of Gipson, while Aubrey played SS.
I'm really not 100% sure on this, but Horton seems t be a defensive coach who uses strong and free safeties differently, whereas some coaches use them almost interchangeably. Maybe you can confirm or set me straight on this.
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To add to your completely unrelated topic,here's another.
I watched a few minutes of the Steelers-Giants.The steelers have switched to a zone blocking scheme exclusively.Mixed results,but the Giants dline ain't what it used to be.However Pouncey and crap I forgot his name,the guard they drafted last year,are damned fine olinemen.
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Bademosi did a great job on a run down by the goal line, where he just buried the runner. (RB, IIRC) The runner got to exactly where Bademosi made contact, and he didn't go an inch further.,
That was one hell of a play...from a guy just now learning to play S. I'm not sure we have a S on the roster who tackles like THAT on THAT play. (Ward will absolutely hit like that...but not a hit and wrap like that.)
If he becomes "just" a Ster and backup S, I'd rather have a guy like him than Ventrone or Sorenson. 
He's been playing S for a whopping month or so...it might take him awhile to come around.
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Did Bademosi start at FS or SS?
I thought he started for Ward at SS?
I like Bademosi too. He's obviously behind the curve at either Safety spots, but I thought he showed some flashes during the game. I agree with YT (hatesayingthat), but the kid has good speed, good motor, and tackles well. Even if he dont pan out as a starter, he's better than Ventrone and is valuable on STs.
So who cares that a 2nd yr undrafted free agent doesnt catch on with a position switch by the 1st preseason game. It's worth him to get the snaps and learn when it doesnt matter. I think his future is bright. Patience is a virtue
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Who said it wasn't worth it or that we shouldn't be patient? Man, you guys either can't freaking read or are just looking to disagree.
The point is that he is not ready this year. Nothing more, nothing less. No one said to cut him or give up on him.
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Anyway .... if I'm wrong about Bademosi, I'm sure that some people will remind me .... and one or 2 will probably try to ridicule me for daring have had an opinion to start with ..... but c'est la vie.
Anyone who can use the phrase "c'est la vie," AND spell it right gets at least one pass in my book-
Post on, with yo' (multi-lingual) bad self-
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Who said it wasn't worth it or that we shouldn't be patient? Man, you guys either can't freaking read or are just looking to disagree.
The point is that he is not ready this year. Nothing more, nothing less. No one said to cut him or give up on him.
I think you may have misinterpreted Paco's post, Dawg.
I read it as this: "Kid's raw, and learning a new position in a new scheme. If he's not 100% right now, it's not the end of the world. It is, after all, pre-season... and there's still time."
Truth be told, I don't think he was being contrary or looking for a fight at all. Of course, it would be nice to see Paco come back and clarify his thoughts.... but I really didn't take it the way you seem to have taken it.
Who knows which of us is correct... or if he even meant something completely different.
Dawg- you've been in some epic 'back & forths' this past couple weeks. I get it. Maybe you're seeing potential foes who really aren't? It happens on msg boards, from time to time.
Just sayin.... I got a totally different message from Paco's post than you did.
p.s It's nice to see you back here. We've had some good talks (and good disagreements), but more voices always make for a richer-sounding chorus....
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What I meant was that I saw a lot of signs from Bademosi in the preseason game. good and bad. I think Bademosi by the end of the year could be a viable option at FS, not so much SS. And you are correct, right now after the first preseason game he is not ready. I could say the same about Mingo right now.
I was eluding to your impatience with a prospect tho. Judging a a kids potential after switching positions and working out for only 2 weeks in a new scheme. Is a bit hasty imho.
You have to give them reps to let them learn, evaluate them, and make an honest judgement on what his ceiling is.
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Thanks for jumping back in, Paco.
'More words' be a good thang, yo.
I agree.... time is the best evaluator.
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I think you may have misinterpreted Paco's post, Dawg.
I read it as this: "Kid's raw, and learning a new position in a new scheme. If he's not 100% right now, it's not the end of the world. It is, after all, pre-season... and there's still time."
<<sigh>> I really am going to have to explain this. I didn't misinterpret his post at all. I know that is what he meant. I actually agree w/those sentiments.
The problem occurred where I said that I was disappointed in Bademosi's play and was hoping we wouldn't have to rely on him as a starter this year. I said that I hope Gipson is healthy. I went on to say that I was not writing Bademosi off, but that I just don't think he is ready.
Paco actually misinterpreted my remarks. I was not really bad-mouthing the kid. That is why he brought up the patient remark and the not the end of the world remark. I actually agree w/that. That was never my point. I had one point............he doesn't look ready this year and I hope he isn't forced into a starting position due to injury. I say that because I think that is what is best for the Browns.
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Did Bademosi start at FS or SS?
I thought he started for Ward at SS?
I think it was SS. He is a little taller and the same weight as Ward.
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I like Bademosi too. He's obviously behind the curve at either Safety spots, but I thought he showed some flashes during the game. I agree with YT (hatesayingthat), but the kid has good speed, good motor, and tackles well. Even if he dont pan out as a starter, he's better than Ventrone and is valuable on STs.
You gotta love guys like him...even IF he can't cut it at S, at least he has speed and is a sure and willing tackler...he has a career in the NFL for several years with just those attributes. We need him to become a viable backup at BOTH S spots.
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So who cares that a 2nd yr undrafted free agent doesnt catch on with a position switch by the 1st preseason game. It's worth him to get the snaps and learn when it doesnt matter. I think his future is bright. Patience is a virtue
Even veteran players can look bad in pre-season game #1
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