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What do you think? Name 3 surprise keepers and 3 surprise cuts...plus 1 PS keeper.
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1. Justin Cole. I think he will show enough to stay as a reserve OLB and special teams demon. Though we do already have Sheard, Kruger, Groves, and Mingo...I think we could use one additional OLB as Sheard and Kruger, and Mingo may occasionally have their hand in the dirt.
2. Justin Staples. Carder and JMJ have shown very little so far, and I've heard even less about them in TC...Staples seems to play hard, and does a good job on Special Teams...seems like an ILB keeper...perhaps Craig Robertson's backup. If not...he is DEFINITELY a must keep on the PS, but I think he has gameday value.
3. Akeem Auguste. I think that Trevin Wade hasnt looked great, and even so, beyond Skrine, Owens, McFadden and Haden. We need other bodies. I think that Akeem Auguste could move above Trevin Wade on the roster as he has Fight in him. Ive seen it so far, plus he would bring more to special teams than Wade.
3 Cuts:
1. Trevin Wade...hes shown very little, and was not drafted by this regime. Has been outplayed by Auguste so far.
2. JMJ, a step slow in every play it felt during the 1st game. Was outplayed by Staples big time. Another guy not drafted by this regime...a 4-3 OLB only perhaps. Tank Carder could join him, as he did next to nothing as well
3. Montario Hardesty...another guy who was not drafted by this regime. We already have one RB who seems to be an injury risk. We also have Ogbonnaya at FB that can be insurance...plus BJax and Dion Lewis have proven worthy with their skill sets. Hardesty is the odd man out as a guy who hasnt been able to show his worth.
+1 PS - Miguel Maysonet. A poor mans Dion Lewis with less experience...could be a perfect replacement, or anything to Dion Lewis if anything goes wrong. Call him insurance.
Dominique Croom too....that catch against the Rams was impressive. Could be a keeper.
Your thoughts! Who is your surprise 3 keepers and a practice squad keeper, plus 3 surprise cuts.
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I agree with auguste and cole, not so sure on staples Keeper 1. Cooper- I think he will be Bess' backup at the slot. 2. Josh Aubrey- We are pretty thin at safety, and he showed up pretty well in game 1 3.I know we are really deep at DL, but i think Sanford sneaks in as well. Cuts 1. Jordan Norwood-crowded corps, plus hurt. we have 3 guys that can do his job 2. Owen Marecic- Shouldn't be a suprise, but I think he gets cut so obi has a spot 3. Shane Graham- I don't like either kickers but i think they go with the fresher leg PS 1. Tori Gurley- He's got awesome size/speed/hands.. I think he just needs more polishing wildcard statement I wouldn't be surpised if both kickers get cut and we pick someone up towards the end of preseason..like kickalicious.. 
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3 Keepers
1. Josh Aubrey
2. Cordell Roberson
3. Justin Staples
3 Cuts
1. David Nelson
2. James Michael Johnson
3. Montario Hardesty
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Good topic. It varies by each person's definition of what "surprise" is and this upcoming game could make a difference, but I'll give it a stab...
Surprise Keepers
Tori Gurley- This may only happen because Gordon is on the suspended list, but I've been somewhat impressed with his play and looks to be another big-bodied WR.
Justin Staples- I always root for the local Cleveland kid to play for the team he grew up loving. Made a big play last Thursday.
Trevin Wade- Simply because, regarding depth, there is such a big question mark in the secondary. He didn't have his best game Thursday but did have a good open field tackle against the "ones". Maybe he builds on that....
Surprise Cuts
David Nelson- This guy was expected to come in here and be a great red zone threat but hasn't been able to see the practice field to date. Maybe he's not so much a surprise now that training camp has started and we've seen more (correction: nothing) but that certainly wasn't the tone coming into camp.
Montario Hardesty- Just like Nelson. Injuries limit his ability to show his worth, which is IMO, is the best option as the backup to Richardson. But if he cannot stay on the field, he really shows little value. He was on the field today (or maybe yesterday), so hopefully he's doing better.
Jamoris Slaughter- Hasn't done a thing yet and confirms perhaps how serious his collegiate injury was and his ability to recover. Not that big of a deal being a late rounder. There is so much competition in the secondary with people actually on the field. I'd be somewhat shocked if he stays or isn't put o the PC after cuts.
Practice Squad-- Kruger's little brother.... Keep the biggest FA signing happy.
Side question: Has anyone seen Armonty Bryant play at all? I've watched the game a handful of times, but didn't look specifically for him. Any remarks?
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I really didn't pay a tremendous amount of attention to the 2nd half of the game against the Rams ...... but the stats say that Armonty Bryant had 2 tackles and 1 assist.
I think that Aubry will make the team. I don't know if that's a huge surprise given our lack of depth at the position.
Beyond that I'll have to go back and look at the game for who showed up.
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I'll just let the team figure it out. They are all working hard to do their best and there is competition.
2 guys I like because if you read their bio's they seem to have been productive in making plays from a small college, are the two guys from Stephen F Austin.
Wr Roberson
and Db, Aubrey
The practice squad eligibles look a little obvious but who knows.
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I'll just let the team figure it out. They are all working hard to do their best and there is competition.
2 guys I like because if you read their bio's they seem to have been productive in making plays from a small college, are the two guys from Stephen F Austin.
Wr Roberson
and Db, Aubrey
The practice squad eligibles look a little obvious but who knows.
How can you go wrong with guys from a college named after The Six Million Dollar Man?
I mean, right off the bat, they're better, stronger, and faster than before.
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Akeem Auguste.
He looked good against scrubs maybe a possibility.
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Good thread. I actually agree w/most of your choices. I would replace Cole w/the WR Roberson, though.
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All I know is that if the Browns keep Oneil Cousins and Rashad Butler, they are probably in trouble.
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Surprise keeper for me would be Roosevelt. He shows up and makes plays. Money says he won't make the cut, but it wouldn't shock me to see him creep past Copper (inconsistent), Norwood (inconsistent but working hard, but can't stay on the field) and Nelson (can't stay on the field). Keeping Marecic would shock the hell outta me. Nothing else would really surprise me. 
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I think Butler will be kept. Until Chris Faulk is healthy. Butler has veteran experience and is still working back from an injury. Even though he wasnt great on the snap counts against STL, he had good protection.
Butler isnt bad.
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One other thing I noticed...
I've cut a large amount of last years draft picks...That surprises me.
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1. Josh Aubrey
2. Cordell Roberson
3. Justin Staples
I was thinking of the same three...Aubry seems to be a lock if there is such a thing???
Roberson n Staples...read in an OBR insider that both were surprising many. If not for that I wouldn't have a clue...lol 
As for Cuts:
Marecic goes in that sure thing area but you never know 100%
JMJ is a real possibility.
Oniel Cousins? is that a surprise cut...or just wishful thinking. Butler btw is better than Cousins but oddly he has the rap of being injured not Cousins.
Cooper WR
By the way any of the keepers if not on the 53 should make it to our Practice Squad.
JMHO but it might change from the next OBR report 
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I think Butler will be kept. Until Chris Faulk is healthy. Butler has veteran experience and is still working back from an injury. Even though he wasnt great on the snap counts against STL, he had good protection.
Butler isnt bad.
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Surprise keepers.
1 - Justin Staples - I didn't see him play but I've only read good things about the kid.
2 - Jordan Norwood - Injury history yes, but he plays very hard and has great hands, I think due to his experience he'll be kept over Cooper.
I didn't even watch the second half of the game last week so I couldn't tell you who else might be a surprise to make the team.
Surprise Cuts.
1 - Bryan Samford (Spelling?) The defensive lineman. He's been a backup for us for a long time but he doesn't do much come game day.
2 - James Michael Johnson - Has shown no reason to keep him thus far.
3 - Owen Marecic - GOOD RIDDANCE!!
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Agreed. I thought Butler was absolutely pathetic in that game. He is so freaking slow out of his stance. Terrible feet. He leans early because he knows guys are quicker than him.
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I felt like he could have been flagged at least 6 times for a false start.
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......3. Montario Hardesty...another guy who was not drafted by this regime. We already have one RB who seems to be an injury risk. We also have Ogbonnaya at FB that can be insurance...plus BJax and Dion Lewis have proven worthy with their skill sets. Hardesty is the odd man out as a guy who hasnt been able to show his worth...
Finally! Another person posting on this board who has the same feelings about Montario Hardesty that I do. I've never been a big fan of a back who goes into the line standing up looking around and skipping, hopping, dancing to find a hole, the right hole, or the hole he's least likely to get his head knocked off in rather then attacking the line and going for the yardage. To me, Hardesty is just such a back.
In two years he has only played in 23 games which means he's out of the line up more then 28% of the time. In two seasons he has 1 touchdown. 1. Yes, 1. His career longest run is 25 yards and his career yards per carry is a shameful 3.5 yards. He is well below the league average in every single category that a back is graded in.
Why do we keep this guy? Because we have no one better? It's like eating Ken-L Ration because you can't afford baloney.
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Its more too that I think that the skill sets of our other 3 backs
Trent is your prototype 3 down back...does it all well.
Dion is your scat back
BJax is your prototype 3rd down back...can block and catch passes and is a threat to run
OGB is your insurance...he can be a 3 down back, does everything well enough, but nothing spectacular.
Its a perfect stable of 4 backs...What does Hardesty bring that these guys dont? What does he do that these guys dont? Where is his value to the roster? Certainly not durability...and that is a negative for a backup.
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It very limited playing time last year Hardesty was a pretty good back.
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I agree...that was with a different staff and a different backfield.
BJax looked better in his limited time I think than Hardesty. And Dion Lewis to this point has looked better than anyone out of the backfield.
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I think that hardesty makes the team now that lewis will be out for a extended period of time or maybe for the season.
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After watching last nights preseason game I would like to see that rookie receiver Roberson make the final roster. I also think that Cooper is going to get kept over Norwood, due to Norwoods extensive injury history.
I think David Nelson and Montario Hardesty could both end up getting cut.
With Dion Lewis getting injured I look for the Browns to start searching for a free agent back or scour the waiver wire here soon.
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Roberson looked good on the outside routes, but Bernie mentioned that he was having trouble with the inside routes in practice.
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With Dion Lewis getting injured I look for the Browns to start searching for a free agent back or scour the waiver wire here soon.
Need a free agent guard now much more than we need a RB. I think they probably open to see what's out there for both them positions though truthfully. I miss that Armond Davis kid. Tiny little guy with lightning speed. Fumble issues could probably have been fixed up/coached up. Ah well...
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j/c With all the recent injuries, guys likely to return after a few weeks, and the Josh Gordon suspension...I think we should start the year with (2) QBs. We'll need that spot for an injured player who is kept on the 53 but where we must have another body to backup. Pick the spot/guy: Lavaou Pinkston Lewis  Hardesty Nelson? That's a lot of guys who we'd probably like to keep, but are starting the season banged up. Roster spots are always precious...maybe moreso now than ever with these injuries/short-term injuries. If we cut Hoyer, he's still available when the dust - and pain - settles. If not Hoyer, then insert-name of guy just like him who would be available.
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Need a free agent guard now much more than we need a RB. I think they probably open to see what's out there for both them positions though truthfully. I miss that Armond Davis kid. Tiny little guy with lightning speed. Fumble issues could probably have been fixed up/coached up. Ah well...
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Need a free agent guard now much more than we need a RB. I think they probably open to see what's out there for both them positions though truthfully. I miss that Armond Davis kid. Tiny little guy with lightning speed. Fumble issues could probably have been fixed up/coached up. Ah well...
Armond Smith maybe?
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Need a free agent guard now much more than we need a RB. I think they probably open to see what's out there for both them positions though truthfully. I miss that Armond Davis kid. Tiny little guy with lightning speed. Fumble issues could probably have been fixed up/coached up. Ah well...
Armond Smith maybe?
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With all the recent injuries, guys likely to return after a few weeks, and the Josh Gordon suspension...I think we should start the year with (2) QBs.
We'll need that spot for an injured player who is kept on the 53 but where we must have another body to backup.
Pick the spot/guy:
Lavaou
Pinkston
Lewis
Hardesty
Nelson?
That's a lot of guys who we'd probably like to keep, but are starting the season banged up.
Roster spots are always precious...maybe moreso now than ever with these injuries/short-term injuries.
If we cut Hoyer, he's still available when the dust - and pain - settles. If not Hoyer, then insert-name of guy just like him who would be available.
That might be an option, but I somehow don't expect that to happen.
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Keepers: cooper, maysonet, and gronkowski
Cuts: Campbell, Fort and cousins
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I think Maysonet could be a keeper now if he shows anything remotely like Dion Lewis.
They play a similar game and they have the same style...theyre both quick and shifty...but Maysonet hasn't shown that same shiftiness which stinks.
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I think Maysonet could be a keeper now if he shows anything remotely like Dion Lewis.
They play a similar game and they have the same style...theyre both quick and shifty...but Maysonet hasn't shown that same shiftiness which stinks.
He showed up nothing like Lewis which is really too bad because Lewis is maybe done for the year.
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Ditto. Also, cut Fort, why? He's the primary backup at ILB as far as I can tell.
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What I'm saying is that they play that same style...just to this point, Lewis has done so much better...That's what stinks, about losing him.
Maysonet...I just have a feeling that if you give him first team snaps, and put him in the same situations that we were putting Lewis in...I think that we'd see similar production. That it may look like the difference between Ogbonnaya and BJax...theyre very similar, but BJax does things a little bit better than OGB...
I think they could have that. Maysonet is younger, so his learning curve is a little steeper.
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