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I don't think either Banner or Lombardi are feeding information to the press to stir anything up. They are simply waiting for Chud to make his call. Chud is the guy on record saying things are close.
That's cool...but he is soon to take it a bit far. Game 3 is the traditional dress rehersal. Whoever starts that game is the QB game 1, and it will made Chud look like Chump if he goes in to that game still saying he doesn't know who has been better at the position.
It doesn't take a genius to see that Weeden has made big strides, or the coaching staff hasn't choked him with a crappy system for him like last year.
I'll make the call end end the crap. Brandon Weeden is the starting QB for the Browns.
It's over.
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Well, to be fair, he is undefeated and untied against the Steelers.
QB's who have beaten the Steelers since 1999...
1999, 2000, 2003 - Tim Couch
2009 - Josh Cribbs
2012 - Brandon Weeden
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I don't think either Banner or Lombardi are feeding information to the press to stir anything up. They are simply waiting for Chud to make his call. Chud is the guy on record saying things are close.
Peen...We have a writer (Ross Tucker) outing the Browns for a whisper campaign to selected national writers...but that means nothing?
Then I do a little research and find a story by Staff Writer, Ryan Alton of DraftBrowns, dated Aug 2nd, with two stories from national reporters Peter King and Jason La Canfora, (who wrote the hatchet job on Tom Heckert) writing articles saying "Weeden is Not the Guy"....and that means nothing?
Peter King even went as far cutting a video named "Weeden is Not the Guy"...and that means nothing?
This "whisper campaign" started by Joe Banner is a ridiculous stunt by this front office and clearly shows why the Browns are in need of some qualified leadership on the football side of this franchise...preferably, someone with a background in football (coaching/playing).
Chud has his marching orders, continue the "Weeden is Not the Guy" campaign that Banner started.
I'm left to wonder, how long will Joe Banner continue this crazy game?...until Chud takes the ball from Weeden and hands it to Banner's hand picked QB, Jason Campbell?
Chud needs to grow a pair and stand up to Banner, because he really is starting to look foolish...after all, Chud's All Pro Tackle already spoke out on the QB issue.
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mac: I simply cannot believe this to be factual. It would be totally counter-productive to what is best for this team  .
If indeed it is coming out of the FO, then the only likely culprit would seem to be Lombardi whom Banner ought to put back in the closet....for good! (j/k as I don't believe the FO is involved).
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mac: I simply cannot believe this to be factual. It would be totally counter-productive to what is best for this team .
If indeed it is coming out of the FO, then the only likely culprit would seem to be Lombardi whom Banner ought to put back in the closet....for good! (j/k as I don't believe the FO is involved).
Eh ???
2 + 2 = 18 according to you and its not even a theory - you state everything as fact. Awesome job.
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Why, thank you; I try to do my best  . If you care to reread my post, I was joking ("j/k"). The logic behind tying the leak to Lombardi has been stated previously...
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Geez Mac,, that is a crock
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Geez Mac,, that is a crock
Geez Daman...that Peter King video was just a brilliant piece of sports journalism..a real "original" piece, right?
I agree with Ross Tucker...this "Weeden is Not the Guy" campaign started by the Joe Banner, SUCKS !
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that's why I replaced Quinn with Cribbs in the quote 
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Geez Daman...that Peter King video was just a brilliant piece of sports journalism..a real "original" piece, right?
I agree with Ross Tucker...this "Weeden is Not the Guy" campaign started by the Joe Banner, SUCKS !
Wait, let me be sure I understand, do you believe that Banner started the "Weeden is Not the guy" campaign?
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For anyone who believes Tucker's theory, what is the motivation for the FO to feed this line to the media? What do they gain? Unless you have a plausible reason for why the FO would do this, you have nothing.
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For anyone who believes Tucker's theory, what is the motivation for the FO to feed this line to the media? What do they gain? Unless you have a plausible reason for why the FO would do this, you have nothing.
I agree with that .... especially with Banner in charge. I don't think that anything comes out of this front office that Banner hasn't thought through in great detail.
I do think that Banner, and others, play psychological games with their players when they feel that they need to toughen up.It's an old tactic, and it often works. You either get a mentally strong player, or you blow a guy right out of the NFL. I'd rather find out early that a guy is mentally and/or emotionally weak before it matters, than at the height of tension in an important game.
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I agree. And if you want to test your QBs mental toughness and perseverance, you do what Chud is doing and keep the pressure on by claiming the QB spot is close. There is a rational cause/effect chain there, a reasonable motivation. But the FO feeding a story to media figures that undercuts the QB is not going to achieve the goal of testing his mental fortitude. All it will do is make him distrust his team. So, either this theory that the motivation for floating the story to test Weeden is false, or there is an irrational idiot in the FO. I don't think anyone in the FO fits this description, and as much as some hate Lombardi around here, if they are being fair, they would have to admit he is not an irrational idiot. I just don't get what the FO gains by doing this.
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For anyone who believes Tucker's theory, what is the motivation for the FO to feed this line to the media? What do they gain? Unless you have a plausible reason for why the FO would do this, you have nothing.
The only plausible reason I can think of (and I don't even come close to believing it) is to move Weeden in a trade. So he showcases him in the first couple of preseason games where he plays well and then he trades him for a boat load of picks and players...
the problem with that is, if Weeden plays well enough to garner interest, why the hell would be trade him? Thus my reason for not believing it.
How's that for out of the box thinking
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I'm left to wonder, how long will Joe Banner continue this crazy game?...until Chud takes the ball from Weeden and hands it to Banner's hand picked QB, Jason Campbell?
Chud needs to grow a pair and stand up to Banner, because he really is starting to look foolish...after all, Chud's All Pro Tackle already spoke out on the QB issue.
Got to admit, I've been missing the crazy.
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Another problem with that theory is why is it necessary to float a story that Weeden is not the guy in order to enhance the likelihood of a trade? If they want to trade him in the offseason, a few stories written about Weeden in the preseason isn't going to make any difference. In fact, it might even hurt is trade value if another team thinks the Browns have problems with him as opposed to trading him simply because they found someone better. Again, only an irrational idiot would float these stories for this reason, and I don't think the FO is being run by irrational idiots.
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LIke I said, it's not likely at all.. but it was the only plausible reason I could find and it's a dumb one. LOL
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Oh wait, I misread you. You were suggesting the FO wants to trade Weeden before the season even starts. LOL. That is crazy. I know you are joking, but some posters would probably buy into this.
Still waiting for that plausible reason FO haters....
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Have you considered the possibility that Joe Banner is a sociopathic meanie, with self-destructive impulses?
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Weeden has taken some strides in that direction over the last few weeks.
I'd agree with that.
I didn't get to see the Lions game live but read all the comments. I watched the game last night. Weeden made some very good throws. He also showed on some plays that he's still got a long way to go.
From a sentimental standpoint I'd love for Campbell to come out, take the job, and go to the pro-bowl just so I can playfully banter with a bunch of folks around here.  However, from a realistic and practical standpoint, if Campbell is out starter, it means we've bombed with Weeden, and that our offense is never going to be better than NFL-average. We need Weeden to continue to grow, and he must do it quickly. He doesn't have 2 more years to develop.
I put very little stock in stats from pre-season games, especially the first couple due to the dumbed-down defenses and simplistic schemes, yet it was critically important for Weeden and the offense to have him gain some measure of success, which he did.
I'm not a believer in Weeden, but seeing him make some progress in preseason was a positive sign. I certainly hope he can carry those good feelings over to the next game and continue to make strides.
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He also showed on some plays that he's still got a long way to go.
I'm curious which plays you felt showed that he has a long way to go?
I'd like to see him check out of a few runs that are stacked up, but he's still brand new in a new offense. Regardless, he actually did that in the 1st game when he gave a silent signal to Gordon and threw the WR screen instead of running into a middle blitz.
Anyway, which plays did you see that you feel showed that he has a long way to go.
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just clicqueing...
Using the media to float stories is TOTALLY a Lombardi move; dude is freaking infamous for the stunts he has pulled.
In any case, it doesn't matter. If Weeden plays the regular season the way he has played so far, all of this will go away.
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I wasn't around during Lombardi's first tenure with the Browns. What did he do to make him "infamous for the stunts he pulled?" I haven't heard anyone else bring this up.
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It may not be a balanced representation, but I'd archive some old Tony Grossi articles.
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Using the media to float stories is TOTALLY a Lombardi move; dude is freaking infamous for the stunts he has pulled.
Even without knowing the specifics you are referring to, I can say that I'm sure this happens all the time. The key point, though, is that when it is done, there must be a rationale, a motivation, a gain to be achieved. Lombardi might be devious, but I guarantee he had a rationale for everything he has done. In fact, it's the devious ones who can always be counted on to have a well worked-out rationale for their actions. So, I'm still waiting for what that might be for this particular story about Weeden.
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Oh wait, I misread you. You were suggesting the FO wants to trade Weeden before the season even starts. LOL. That is crazy. I know you are joking, but some posters would probably buy into this.
Still waiting for that plausible reason FO haters....
Damn right it's crazy...LOL and I can't believe anyone would take it seriously. But, you are probably correct, someone will.
There are no plausible reasons. None that I can think of.
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Using the media to float stories is TOTALLY a Lombardi move; dude is freaking infamous for the stunts he has pulled.
Even without knowing the specifics you are referring to, I can say that I'm sure this happens all the time. The key point, though, is that when it is done, there must be a rationale, a motivation, a gain to be achieved. Lombardi might be devious, but I guarantee he had a rationale for everything he has done. In fact, it's the devious ones who can always be counted on to have a well worked-out rationale for their actions. So, I'm still waiting for what that might be for this particular story about Weeden.
I agree this happens all the time. Im thinking of Belicheck right away. I believe that pretty much every team tries to dictate what the media says about them. Its a bunch of egotistic rich boys playing with a football team. A job we would all love to have. Of course they all want the media to make it look like they are doing their job.
As far as Lombardi being considered devious, that don't bother me one bit. Like I said before, Belicheck comes to mind. I don't remember what all Lombardi did the first time he was here, I just watched the games and argued with Steeler fans. The was no internet to play arm chair GM or talk about every detail of the team from the owner to the longsnapper, and to get as much info and stats that we can get today. I also never watched Lombardi on the NFL Network to form an opinion of his analyst. I just questioned the move because for some reason, many fans didn't like Lombardi. I didn't know much about him at the time of hire. Same can be said for Clark, Savage, Heckert, etc.. To be a GM in the first place is kind of a who knows who(assumption). I didn't like the outcome of Lombardis first draft, but I do see a plan in place and I like it now.
But it has been stated that Lombardi is infamous for the stunts he pulled and its also been asked for specifics on this statement. I would also like to know what are the specifics. Im not questioning that it didn't happen but Im very curious as to why so many Browns fans dislike or mistrust the GM of my favorite sports franchise. Most of what I gather is that some don't like him because he was in Cleveland during "The Move", some of it is because of difference of opinion of him being a analyst (which will happen to every mainstream analyst, which has to be informed on every NFL team), some don't like him because they wanted to keep Heckert and some don't like him because he has been away from being on an NFL team for so long. This would make a good and interesting survey because for as much as I knew about the Browns, it caught me by complete surprise that so many fans were against this move before he even made one decision.
So, as far as Lombardi being infamous for pulling stunts, Im truly interested and would love to hear details.
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I don't think I've ever heard that Lombardi is infamous for anything?
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Word is ..... that yes, he did.
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So some of you STILL want to hold on to this nonsensical conspiracy theory even AFTER reading Pluto's article?
Oh, and Otto: It wasn't hard to verify The Big Show's hiring of guys who shared his agent. It's public record.
It was a joke,
"Word is" was how Roger Brown prefaced some of the most nonsensical stuff ever to see print in the paper ......
*Sigh* I promise not to try and have fun anymore. 
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Verse prefaced that with j/c... I don't think he was responding to the Roger Brown comments.
Could be. If so, then I apologize .....
It just seems like a lot of people have lost their sense of humor around here lately ..... and that usually doesn't happen until we lose 6 of our 1st 8 games .......
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I wasn't talking to you. Maybe I am the only one who read mac's drivel.
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