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I don't think anyone was saying that. It seemed like someone was giving all the credit to Banner. Ballpeen pointed out that Banner probably isn't the one doing the work on these moves.
It has only been a few months, but from what I've heard and read it seems like this current group of people have a level of competency we haven't seen for awhile.
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I AM saying that. There isn't one guy who is running things. It's a cooperative effort. Not sure why you are making a big deal out of it???
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I agree. It's kind of foolish to think Lombardi is simply a lump on a log, doing nothing but collecting a monthly check.
He is the one evaluating players, making calls to see who is available, and being the conductor behind all of this.
I disagree. I think that Banner, Lombardi, Farmer, and Chud are getting together and making decisions together.
Why do I think that? That is what they have clearly stated.
You guys are speculating w/no evidence to support your claims.
I don't disagree with you other than you are taking my comments out of context, so I do disagree.
Mourg was making it sound like Banner was the one making all the decisions.
All I am saying is that Lombardi is a part of this, and his part is to throw out the net and evaluate players and possibilities. Then they get together and make decisions.
Lombardi isn't in the building simply twittling his thumbs.
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The reason I say Banner on trades is because Banner has always been the guy that worked the trades in Philly and getting the best in most of those trades. While I think Lombardi has a hand in scouting and finding the players, I do feel pretty strongly that Banner is the one working these trades.
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Looks like we can't all agree on this, but Banner clearly stated that they work together on these types of decisions. It was the team of Banner, Lombardi, Farmer, and Chud. I am sure that each of their own individual responsibilities, so they don't overlap and do extra work, but the decision making process is done as a team.
Again, Banner made that VERY CLEAR! There really is no need to speculate.
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Right....so why can't you agree....Lombardi made some calls and said I/we can trade this guy for this guy. Then it was hashed over and the decision was made to pull the trigger?
I don't think Banner or Chud are working phones looking for talent as a every day activity....that is Lombardi's job.
They may make decisions as a three or four headed monster, but everyone has defined roles......or maybe I should say primary roles.
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I'd also say that once Lombardi/Farmer/Banner found Moffitt was available, they asked Chud, who probably asked Horton (he coached against him twice a year for two years) ... I can see this as a chain of command/collaborative thing. In short, I think Lombardi wouldn't have a say in just getting the dude.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I'd also say that once Lombardi/Farmer/Banner found Moffitt was available, they asked Chud, who probably asked Horton (he coached against him twice a year for two years) ... I can see this as a chain of command/collaborative thing. In short, I think Lombardi wouldn't have a say in just getting the dude.
I would expect that Lombardi did the search/legworkand presented Moffitt as a likely candidate to the "team". Isn't that what GM's do?...
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My first impressiom when I saw the ticker cross the sceeen was Good for the Browns not taking the player ( Moffit) if they didn't feel it was good for the Browns. He didn't pass our physical. Maybe he passes the Bronco's conditions ??
Why is there so many A$$sume the Broncons are so smart to take him & it's the same oel woe's us? I'm, not buying it, good for us! Good for the FO to know what they want even in a time of need. Now I will presume Mike Lombardi brought this to the table ( because tha's his job) but a collective decision to move on-rightly so if there were injury concerns- Kudo is my vote!
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Sanford is probably the 7th or 8th guy on the DL right now. He is always this pre-season guy who people get excited about, who does nothing once the games begin. Let's face it .... in 3 years he has 5 career tackles.
Woooooo exciting.
Look, I like the kid, and I think that he has a small amount of talent, but he isn't going to make the team here unless there are major injuries ahead of him. We have guys who are simply better than him, and if he makes the team, then we have issues. We will probably keep 6 ..... maybe ...... maybe 7 at the very most. Maybe. Already locked in are Desmond Bryant, Taylor, Rubin, Hughes, Winn ...... and probably Armonty Bryant and/or Kitchen. (who it appears is playing himself onto the team) Barring multiple injuries, (knock on wood repeatedly) Sanford isn't going to make this team. Actually, he might even be better in the 4-3. This trade would have given him a chance elsewhere, and it's too bad it didn't work out.
I'm sure that the browns are scouring the league for another starting quality Guard. If they had injury concerns that caused them to void the deal, then I have no problem with them doing so. Last thing we need is another Guard sitting on the sidelines. Maybe Moffitt goes to Denver and backs up a pair of position while whatever concerns the Browns had heal and/or resolve themselves. Maybe the Broncos weren't looking at him as a starter.
As far as chain of command ..... Farmer is the Director of Pro Personnel, so I would guess that he may have come up with the name, and then the Browns front office, along with the coaches, determined that he was a good target for them to pursue. They probably already had regular meetings regarding the depth chart, and who is where on it. Chud and his coordinators (and coaches) have probably already all but set the 1st round of roster cuts. I would guess that Sanford was a borderline 1st round cut/final cut type of guy. I would guess that the whole front office is largely in agreement on players, because this is how they have said they would operate.
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... but he isn't going to make the team here...
At 6-2, 280, where does he fit? I don't believe we have a spot for him...
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He's probably a DE here ..... but he's probably better suited to a 4-3 DL.
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A 4-3 DE, even then he's a bit short in stature...
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This cancelled trade might sound bad at first, but just looking at the players involved, Moffitt seems to be a lot better than Sanford. He was drafted higher and has more experience im pretty sure. I felt it was a little lopsided in our favor, and too good to be true. My guess is that Seattle knew something was up with Moffitt (maybe out of shape, maybe hurt) and they lined up a number of trades for players that werent as good just to get something for Moffitt before it was too late. Notice how he was moved to Denver immediately after the Browns rejected the deal. We will see if Denver's physical will also be a toughie for Moffitt. But the bottomline is that the Browns made the final call on this trade. If moffitt ends up playing well for denver, or if we have a huge problem with our O-line, the finger pointing can only be on us.
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This is straight bull............what the heck is going on....so the browns got nervouse about his injuries and decided to forget about it? .....are you serious....pinkston and lavaou are gone and you dont take a risk on this guy......you got to be kidding me.......
First off, we do have other options (Cousins for one), second, Pinky and Lava won't be gone forever, thirdly Gilkey isn't nearly as bad as some folks think, he's just young and needs time to grow (Turner basically said so) and forthly why in the hell would you want a guy that you have to replace because he has a high chance to get injured?
So, no, you don't take a risk on this kid. Why would you?
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My guess is that Seattle knew something was up with Moffitt (maybe out of shape, maybe hurt)
Possibly, but I'm of the thought that Moffitt wasn't going to make the team anyway which put them in the same boat as us...
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I liked the signing, but not gonna lose any sleep that the deal fell through.
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I think we can retitle this thread now.. LOL
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Fell thru, but I believe we better get some help at guard ASAP. Hope we do ourselves some good. Our good guys, coming back from injuries, will remain suspect to finish a season healthy. 
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Maybe ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Fishy? I thought it was a knee injury his rookie season that has slowed him down. Now it is two years away he should be okay.
We gave away nothing - a player who I would have been surprised to see make our roster.
We also have Three 3rd round picks for the Interior OL positions as well as a 1st in Mack. Also he can play center (Moffitt) another insurance player in case we cannot sign Mack. So between Greco, Lava and now Moffitt we have a solid crew.
I did think we were going to go for a veteran OG considering the injury to both Lava n Pinkston will surely run into the first few games. Gilkey did well and I hope he continues to get some reps at the RG position. Again I really liked what I have seen from him.
Excellent trade...maybe not a stud starter but excellent depth for a guy who IS A STARTER and has done well.
As mentioned I assume he passed our Physical cause it was the KNEE that got him out of the starting role...I think he started his first 9 games as a rookie before the injury.
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I think you missed the part where the deal fell through.
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Totally...lol 
Of course without knowing this I did state:
"As mentioned I assume he passed our Physical cause it was the KNEE that got him out of the starting role"
I guess he didn't pass...I know the blurb article never mentioned failed our physical but it did state it was us that nixed the deal due to his health issues. Shame I thought it was a great deal for us of course if he was healthy.
I still will be surprised if Sanford makes the roster.
Bryant, Taylor, Rubin
Winn, Hughes, Kitchen
Our draft pick has shown signs of talent possibly more on special teams??? Bryant is his name also???
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The need is still there. Just because we didn't land Moffitt, that doesn't change the situation. Perhaps we need to up the ante and pursue an OG that is capable of being a solid starter instead of merely a fill-in. It may be somewhat expensive, but as quite a few posters have noted, we could use an upgrade at OG...
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Most people don't give up solid starters.
We have final cuts and the practice squad rosters to review.
I'd do that before we started talking about sending fairly high picks to someone for a starter type player. I think we can get them for free....other than signing them.
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but as quite a few posters have noted, we could use an upgrade at OG...
Do you mean due to the injuries or are you talking in General regardless of injuries or not?
I've said this several times and nothing really has changed. To Upgrade on our starting OGs Greco n Lava as well as the good 6th man Pinkston. Is not as easy as you think. We are not weak there.
We are not great there as I think we are in our Corner Stones. - but we are solid. There are no UPGRADES to what we got out there right now. Just guys nobody wants...why I was enthusiastic with a "TRADE". Upgrade on Gilkey. Right now we might need him for a couple of games. He is no BUM. but definitely some additional depth would be nice. We don't wish to make a DESPERATE move. But search for a MOFFITT situation that doesn't have him INJURED.
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but as quite a few posters have noted, we could use an upgrade at OG...
Do you mean due to the injuries or are you talking in General regardless of injuries or not?
Yes, I am talking in general. The injuries are posing a problem for us; the long term health of Pinkston is particularly a concern. If Lauvao and Pinkston are both in reasonable health, I believe we are adequate at OG, but not better than merely average. Personally, I would like to see the position upgraded; we have enough quality depth should we be able to land a solid/very good starter...
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I think you underestimate what it would take to get a solid starter.....unless your idea and mine are different.
I think we can wait and address things through cuts and more on point, practice squads. If you have a team with strong interior line players, including a back-up or two, and you see a guard on their PS....you pluck him...he is obviously a player they simply don't want to let loose.
You could say that about any position for that matter...Houston tried to hide Obie..they are pretty stout at RB...so we picked him up and he has been a pretty darn nice addition to the team.
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I think you underestimate what it would take to get a solid starter.....unless your idea and mine are different.
I think we can wait and address things through cuts and more on point, practice squads. If you have a team with strong interior line players, including a back-up or two, and you see a guard on their PS....you pluck him...he is obviously a player they simply don't want to let loose.
You could say that about any position for that matter...Houston tried to hide Obie..they are pretty stout at RB...so we picked him up and he has been a pretty darn nice addition to the team.
I don't think we are that far apart in our ideas, and yes, it would be expensive to get a solid starting OG, no question. It would be extremely unlikely to obtain one through late cuts; he would be of the fill-in quality only. As I previously stated, there are a number of posters who have noted that they would like to see an upgrade at OG, and I cannot disagree with them. I don't pretend to know how we could pull this off; that I leave to the guys who get paid to accomplish this...
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At this point I do think we are looking more at a solid fill-in. You might find a guy on a PS who could turn in to a decent starter down the road.
I don't think we went in to camp overly weak at guard.....it worked out 2 guys got hurt. To some extent you have to possibly expect that, but you can't plan for that.
Any way we look at it, we can't build it all in a year. For now, we have to hope Gilkey can fill in and we pick up another player who can back-up until our regulars start to mend. Let's hope that starts to happen by game 3 and not game 7.
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At this point I do think we are looking more at a solid fill-in.
I'm hoping that we can somehow pry away a veteran starter in his early 30's that can step-in right away and play for another couple of years. This would of course, depend on how our FO sees the long term health of our present OG's. It might not cost us more than a mid/late-round pick or two...
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first cuts are in a week. I'm sure that we're talking with teams right now, but I'm sure that there is probably also a growing sense of "let's see if we can just go with what we've got". We don't have to last all that long without Lauvao & Pinky, so unless we can actually trade for a major upgrade to them, I wouldn't expect us to go out of our way to do something (e.g. we won't take the down side of a deal just to shore up the spot unless we're forced into it).
If we don't claim someone on waivers, I would expect that we won't make a move unless Gilkey is REALLY bad on Saturday.
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I know that people hate him, but we also do have Oneil Cousins, who can play any position except for C. He's a veteran possibility if Gilkey isn't impressive, and he can be hidden somewhat on the inside.
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Very true.
However, I get the impression that he is an emergency thing. He is behind Gilkey, and we tried to trade for a guy rather than rely on him. I'd say that it is safe to assume that he is not Plan A.
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I know that people hate him, but we also do have Oneil Cousins, who can play any position except for C. He's a veteran possibility if Gilkey isn't impressive, and he can be hidden somewhat on the inside.
We have a few others on the team right now that could be good enough for a few weeks.
Gilkey, Cousins, Alford, Rashad Butler (8 years in the league), Ryan Miller (2 years in the league), Jarron Shaw has been on our Practice Squad for a couple of years now.
Then there are cut downs and still time to make trades.
There are options, not any that excite me, but options are options.
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We have a few others on the team right now that could be good enough for a few weeks.
BUT, if our FO thought that way, why the (failed) Moffitt trade? Our FO action(s) on obtaining another OG merely seem to confirm that we are shaky at that position.Thought: wouldn't reuniting the Schwartz brothers look good right now...
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He's behind Gilkey, largely because he was out injured for a while, and because he was working mainly at T.
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Too bad Geoff is starting for the Chiefs.
But wouldn't it be great to see Geoff at RG and Mitchell at RT... 
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