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This is straight bull............what the heck is going on....so the browns got nervouse about his injuries and decided to forget about it? .....are you serious....pinkston and lavaou are gone and you dont take a risk on this guy......you got to be kidding me.......
Chill, it probably a failed physical which if that's the case, would you still proceed to keep him? Probably like in 2010 or 2011 when we signed taht dude from the Eagles, Bunkley and everyone was all pumped and he failed his physical and guess what team got him, Denver haha. History repeating itself?
Give it a day or two, the details to why the Browns didn't go through with it will likely be made known..
Well he passed his physical in Denver. I just dont get it...i mean how much different can there psychical be then ours? Im nothing more then a fan....but i say this was a stupid move. besides..once pinkston and lvav man got healthy we simply could have released or traded this guy. We only needed him for like a month.
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Well he passed his physical in Denver. I just dont get it...
Heh, I kind of don't get it either now... seeing we are thin at guard.
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Well, maybe I'm out there with this, but....Maybe He just did not want to be here? The way Chud was going on about respecting the players wishes, the first thing I thought of was, He did not want to be here. I don't know.
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We have a few others on the team right now that could be good enough for a few weeks.
BUT, if our FO thought that way, why the (failed) Moffitt trade? Our FO action(s) on obtaining another OG merely seem to confirm that we are shaky at that position.Thought: wouldn't reuniting the Schwartz brothers look good right now... 
It's like any other situation in the NFL, if you have a player at a position and you think you see an opportunity to upgrade, you do it. Moffet may well have been an upgrade (hard to tell) but there is not guarantee of that. He may not have made it past the final cut. they weren't paying much for him, a DL that they were probably going to cut anyway.
So no harm no foul to try. It could be just that simple.
I don't know about the other schwartz brother.
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Has it been confirmed that he passed the physical in Denver? I have been checking and haven't seen confirmation. This is mystifying, it sounded like he wanted to be here. Maybe he was not in the physical condition they where expecting when he arrived. Although it doesn't look, from the photos with Chud, that he was in bad shape.
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Different teams have different standards for physicals. Also, I'm betting they wanted a guy who wasn't an injury risk.
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Different teams have different standards for physicals. Also, I'm betting they wanted a guy who wasn't an injury risk.
But like i said before, we only needed him for like a month maybe a little more. Doesnt make any sense. We are in trouble with Gilkey in there...big trouble
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Well he passed his physical in Denver. I just dont get it...i mean how much different can there psychical be then ours?
slick..whether or not a player passes any team's physical is dependant on how badly a team wants a certain player.
The Broncos may have been willing to give Moffitt a passing grade on their physical because they are desperate for Oline help. The Browns on the other hand may have found some red flags concerning Moffitt's knees or elbow and decided they were not willing to take the chance on his health.
Whatever it was, at the last minute, the Browns decided they did not want go through with the deal.
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What if there are concerns he can't hold up for that month and then you have to find someone else anyway?
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Different teams have different standards for physicals. Also, I'm betting they wanted a guy who wasn't an injury risk.
But like i said before, we only needed him for like a month maybe a little more. Doesnt make any sense. We are in trouble with Gilkey in there...big trouble
Quit panicking....there are still two preseason games to go. Lots of cuts and lots of players who are going to be placed on a practice squad. IMO a player on a practice squad is better than a player cut or a player a team was willing to trade 2 games in to the pre-season.
Right now, teams are keeping players they think have a future with them.
IMO, the longer we wait, the better player we get.
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Just Clickin, Hey I wonder if we could have FOUND a OG in the middle round of the draft??? Humm.. oh yea, thats right, we opted out of those rounds!!... Banner/Lombardi's draft just came back to bite them! 
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Hey I wonder if we could have FOUND a OG in the middle round of the draft??? Humm.. oh yea, thats right, we opted out of those rounds!!... Banner/Lombardi's draft just came back to bite them!
That's a cop out DC.....I have no problem loading up for next season.
If you knew this was going to happen at the position, did you call them to warn them?
I am sure had Weweden, Campbell, and Hoyer been hurt, you and others would be asking why we didn't draft a QB or two in the draft.
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So, if Weeden bombs this year---you would rather have a 4th or 5ht round guard than the artillery to trade up for a top QB?  Look, Doom and Gloomers.......LOL........if the Browns would have never made the move in the first place, would you really have been crying over the Moffitt trade to Denver?  Most of you probably never even heard of him. We tried to improve a position hurt by injury w/a position of strength. Something happened for US to back out. I wouldn't say that is stupid. I wouldn't say that is the end of the world. There had to have been a legit reason.
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Do you really believe a 3rd and 4th round pick make a major difference in moving up for a top rated QB?
Or were you referring to a lower rated prospect at the position?
I believe the moves were smart, but I highly doubt they'll be any major consideration in regards to trading up for a major player at the QB position if we need a QB "right away".
Is that possible? Yes, both Kapernick and Wilson show it's possible. But the likelihood isn't that great.
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So, if Weeden bombs this year---you would rather have a 4th or 5ht round guard than the artillery to trade up for a top QB?
The extra 3rd and 4th rounders won't be involved in a tradeup scenario for a QB. Only 1st(s) and maybe a 2nd would be part of the package...
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Why won't they? Weren't lower round picks part of our deal w/Minni when we traded up to get TRich?
Let me ask this question. Did the Skins give the Rams any other picks beside first rounders when they acquired the rights for RGIII? I really don't know the answer.
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Yes. A 2nd rounder was included...
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Why won't they? Weren't lower round picks part of our deal w/Minni when we traded up to get TRich?
We can safely assume that a top QB would only be available in the #1 or #2 spot in the 1st round. The Redskins to move from #6 up to #2 gave up: 2 first rounders in future drafts, swapped the #6 and #2 picks, and threw in 1 second rounder. You can expect that we would have to pay a similar price or more, if we would be in a lower draft position. As TRich was not a QB, and we only moved 1 spot, the cost to us was less. We won't be drafting in the top 10 this year; to move to #1 or #2 would be very costly...
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We won't be drafting in the top 10 this year
Shh ... please don't jinx it
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Shh ... please don't jinx it
Oooops! Let's keep it our secret... 
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Well he passed his physical in Denver. I just dont get it...
Heh, I kind of don't get it either now... seeing we are thin at guard.
Again, maybe we were looking at him as a competitor for a starting job, and they looked at him as a backup. That could color things.
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I can now laugh at the .... ummmm.( I could bash people here but I wont) that thought this bum could replace SL 
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True, but could be really be worse than Cousins at a few glances?
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The articles about the Moffitt situation kept mentioning Cousins (among others) as depth behind our injured starters to fill in while Lava and Pinky healed up....
And I shuddered every time I read that.
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At least it doesn't say Paul Zukauskas.
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Speaking of Cousins....he's starting Saturday.
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Speaking of Cousins....he's starting Saturday.
wonder if they'll move Grecco over and give Cousins that warm and cozy guard spot between Mack and Thomas? From what I've seen of this guy, he is a penalty flag waiting to happen and he also going to need all the help he can get in terms of run/pass blocking.
If Moffitt was really worse than O'Niel, the joke is on Denver hahaha. So Gilkey will roll with the # 2's this game?
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Speaking of Cousins....he's starting Saturday.
wonder if they'll move Grecco over and give Cousins that warm and cozy guard spot between Mack and Thomas? From what I've seen of this guy, he is a penalty flag waiting to happen and he also going to need all the help he can get in terms of run/pass blocking.
If Moffitt was really worse than O'Niel, the joke is on Denver hahaha. So Gilkey will roll with the # 2's this game?
Chud has already said that he is not going to touch the rock solid left side of the OL.
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Got it. So cool, Gilkey and Cousins to battle for the starting right guard spot. Yep this can only mean one thing, superbowl  I doubt Cousins will perform better than Garret. But I credit the staff for using the preaseason to give guys a fair chance to "display their stuff" but I suspect two+ flags to be thrown on Cousin's behalf.
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From what I've seen of this guy, he is a penalty flag waiting to happen
I hear you. His feet were really bad.
One thing to consider. We saw his poor feet at RT, which is a lot harder than RG. In fact, your RG is the position on the OL where you can get away w/slower feet. The RG is more of brute than the LG and certainly the tackles.
I am not saying he can adequately fill in at RG until Lava or Pinky gets back, but he might be able to.
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very good point Vers. I remeber telling my son watching cousins play... that somebody lied and told him was a tackle.... his lateral movement, feet and bend all indiacted to me was best suited for guard.
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We won't be drafting in the top 10 this year; to move to #1 or #2 would be very costly...
A 6-10 record will usually land you at the bottom of the top ten, which is the most realistic probability for us as far as record goes.
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As far as I am concerned, the prospects of Cousins starting makes me cringe.
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I remember when we first acquired Cousins, somebody checked on the Bengals board and the word was that Cousins was adequate to good at guard, but terrible at tackle.
SFAIK, we have always had him as a backup tackle.
Gilkey may not be ready, but at least he should improve with almost every snap he takes. Cousins is headed the other way.
If it's at all close, I'd play the rookie.
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If it's at all close, I'd play the rookie.
I'd 100% agree with this if we were looking at this for the entire season and/or long term .. but if we are only talking 2 games and Cousins is slightly better, I'd play the vet.
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