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If the coaches think that Cousins is better than Gilkey then he should play over him, right?
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If the coaches think that Cousins is better than Gilkey then he should play over him, right?
100% correct. I don't care if it were OJ Simpson in there, if he gave us the best chance to win then so be it!
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If the coaches think that Cousins is better than Gilkey then he should play over him, right?
100% correct. I don't care if it were OJ Simpson in there, if he gave us the best chance to win then so be it!
Heck yeah! OJ is a cinch to make first cuts.
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A team finds it best "value picks" between the 3rd and 5th rounds. We were paper thin on the oline last year, so why wouldn't anyone address a weakness of the team??
Its not about knowing what will and won't happen but looking at your team, assessing strength and weaknesses and drafting or acquiring for those positions. So you mean to tell me you thought the OG position was one of strength last season???
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Look, Doom and Gloomers.......LOL........if the Browns would have never made the move in the first place, would you really have been crying over the Moffitt trade to Denver?
Please, its not about Moffitt, its about looking at your team and KNOWING where it is weak at. So your telling me that our OG were so nice last year that we did not need to draft or acquire 1 olineman in the draft??? OR even to draft a player to shore up the OG position?? So we are down 2 guards and the browns have to look on the "junk pile" to backfill that position! That is some great planning there!!
I'm sure we if have to go into the regular season with our current line configuration, you will be on the first people talking about how T.Rich cannot run..blah..blah..blah when there are no holes to run through!
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I agree with you in terms of run blocking. I watch a lot of teams and their run blocking. Our G's can't seem to open up lanes like so many other OL's I've seen. The Vikings give AP gaps that blow my mind compared to our OL. Which I find terribly confusing when you compare that to the pocket protection they give Weeden overall.
I understand your frustration but I think we need to look at where we are. Our FO and many fans aren't sure where we are in terms of having a long term QB. I happen to be one of those fans.
IF we have to move up to get a QB, we will need those extra picks next year to see where we are and what needs addressed the most. ie..... G, S, CB.......
The only thing at this point I feel that fans have to hold onto is hope when it comes to our secondary and run blocking. I sure didn't see any proof of success based on last year in any of these areas.
We were a very young team and there is a chance some of last years players will develop to be much better. Who that will and won't be is yet to be determined. So while I do see and understand your frustration, I feel this FO is going to let this season play out and see what transpires in terms of the maturity and growth of our players.
I say that because of how we traded draft picks to move up in rounds next year. I'm not saying that I agree with committing 70mil. in the FA market AND your #6 overall draft pick to the front seven, while seemingly ignoring other areas of need.
But that's how this FO decided to play it. I'm hoping to see us pick up at least one G who gets cut somewhere. With 2 of our top 3 G's out early, we need some help at the position for sure.
Much like you eluded to, at the end of last season, many saw a need for upgrades in many areas. But now that it's pre season, many seem to think they can put lipstick on a pig and it's quite pretty.
Young players maturing with better coaching will help in so much as you can get the most out of the players you have. But in the end, it's all about how much talent these players have.
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Look, Doom and Gloomers.......LOL........if the Browns would have never made the move in the first place, would you really have been crying over the Moffitt trade to Denver?
Please, its not about Moffitt, its about looking at your team and KNOWING where it is weak at. So your telling me that our OG were so nice last year that we did not need to draft or acquire 1 olineman in the draft??? OR even to draft a player to shore up the OG position?? So we are down 2 guards and the browns have to look on the "junk pile" to backfill that position! That is some great planning there!!
I'm sure we if have to go into the regular season with our current line configuration, you will be on the first people talking about how T.Rich cannot run..blah..blah..blah when there are no holes to run through!
Didn't we acquire Gilkey or was he already on the roster?
I think the OL was a strength last year and the guards aren't nearly as bad as you proclaim.
It appears you just whining because you don't like the new FO. Lava and Pinkston are both decent. Why draft a guard when you have one very good one and 2 that are decent? Or, were they supposed to KNOW that both Lava and Pinky would be injured? 
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JC Now on to the current situation, August 23. Look, Just promote Jarrod Shaw to starting Off, Guard, and leave Cousins and Gilkey in their backup roles. Now WHY! Shaw has been around the roster for 3 or 4 years, on again, off again, so he's got some sort or journeyman negligible level of suckage that one could count on with consistency. And teams can learn to live with suckage from one O-line spot, by compensating for it,... as long as it is consistent. And, if Shaw is promoted, then Cousins and Gilkey can still provide the solid bench and a hope of an upgrade over Shaw's "consistent level" if they are called upon to go in for a few snaps. The thing of Gilkey being a rookie from division 2 Chadron st. How much do you know about how that's going to translate into the NFL game. The argument I'm trying to make is if you Start Cousins or Start Gilkey and they Stink. Then you're done, you don't have any move to better your chances. But, if you start Shaw, and he slowly improves. I mean if you start Shaw, and you can suffer through and live with whatever he provides, then you still have Cousins and Gilkey in the respective roles they have been projected to for the whole off-season. It would mean having just one guy out of his comfort zone, instead of 3. Or, try and find a Hank Fraley clone. I mean AND, And try and find a Hank Fraley clone. I just don't believe, from history of watching sports, that these injury types, to Pinkston and Lauvao are going to render a given player fully healthy before the Halloween week for one, and the 2nd December week for another. If they occurred around the weeks that these two occurred. If Shaw starts, and he, given the chance, excels, then you're golden. 
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Basically, you're saying that it's better if you don't start the guy that's better in order to have a better fallback plan?
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Didn't we acquire Gilkey or was he already on the roster?
- Your talking about our 7th round draft pick!. Yea, our rookie pick from chardon st who might be good but no one knows until he plays.
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Our offensive line was very good at pass protection, run blocking, not very good! Plus our run schemes were poorly designed.
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t appears you just whining because you don't like the new FO. Lava and Pinkston are both decent. Why draft a guard when you have one very good one and 2 that are decent? Or, were they supposed to KNOW that both Lava and Pinky would be injured?
This is where a person can always tell the bandwagon fan vs a long time fan of the Browns and football. The Bandwagon fan( Versatile) makes statements like front office likes/dislikes. A long time fan knows that depth at on the Oline is critical to anything your team does on offense because you going to have injuries in football. The long time fan knows that rounds 3-5 are rounds that you can find a good football player AND that is what most good teams do.(* by the way, when did the Browns have the talent to NOT make picks in those rounds? *)
Hey, how did the starters on the Oline do against Detroit? If you cannot handle them, we have Cincy, Balt and Pitt with above average Dlines, what are we going to do then??
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Seems silly to call Vers a bandwagon fan.. Also silly to say we didn't draft a single guard when the guard we drafted is now starting due to injuries. We also drafted Ryan Miller last year to play guard but he stinks. With the holes at other positions and already having a starter quality guard at backup, I don't see the point in drafting one beyond a developmental round. Lava had been immune to injury. Greco to my knowledge has also stayed healthy. We held up pretty well against Detroit, especially compared to other teams. Fairley closed the pocket on JT once, and pancaked Greco into Pinky's ankle. Otherwise the group did very well against one of the better DLs in the league. Not sure about our running stats, we all know this is a pass blocking line. In a passing oriented league  the horror. Keep it civil y'all.
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How many NFL teams have sure fire, starter quality depth 4 deep at Guard? I would bet that it's very few. Most teams have 2 starters, and a solid backup, and that's it.
We have 3 starter level kids, one of whom entered the season with some injury concerns. We drafted another kid. Then we lost 2 players to injury. How often does a team lose 2 Guards in preseason?
You talk about knowledgeable fans .... but the bottom line is that certain positions have value 4 or 4 deep. Guard isn't one of them. Teams generally need multiple DL. A 3-4 team usually needs multiple OLB. Teams needs several DB to combat 4-5 receiver sets. They need those 4-5 receivers to man those receiver sets. Most teams need 3-4 TE. Most need a couple of RB. Going 4 deep at G generally isn't at the top of most teams' lists. They need their starting 5, plus a couple of versatile guys who can play multiple OL positions, because most teams only keep 7 or maybe 8 (at the very most) OL active on gamedays. Heck, most teams only keep 8 or 9 OL on their final roster. On most teams, once you get past the starters, you look for guys who can backup a variety of positions. I would guess that very few NFL teams look for 4 deep depth at Guard.
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True! Vers is anything but...
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How many NFL teams have sure fire, starter quality depth 4 deep at Guard?
For sure we don't. Greco is solid it seems, Lauvao is OK (neither is a Pro Bowler), Pinkston can't stay healthy, Gilkey is a raw rookie, and who else? We don't have 4 quality OG's, certainly not of starter quality. How many posters have stated that OG is a position that they would like to see upgraded?
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you make good points about our deficiencies- and no Dawg can argue with them, to be sure...
...but I also get what YTowns is saying:
NO NFL team is 4-deep at Guard, without significant drop-off in production at that spot.
Depth can only go so deep.
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True! Vers is anything but...
especially when there are so many nouns available
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you make good points about our deficiencies- and no Dawg can argue with them, to be sure...
...but I also get what YTowns is saying:
NO NFL team is 4-deep at Guard, without significant drop-off in production at that spot.
Depth can only go so deep.
Plus, teams look for depth at premium positions before all else.
Teams don't look for 4 Guards deep because Guard is not as important a position as Tackle. Best situation for a team is to have a backup Tackle who can also play some Guard if necessary ...... because he's going to be probably one of only 2 backup OL active on gamedays.
If I can have a backup Tackle, who is solid and can play some Guard ..... or a backup Guard who can, hopefully, play a little Tackle ...... I'm taking the Tackle. I want to make sure my QB stays alive.
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Plus, teams look for depth at premium positions before all else.
Teams don't look for 4 Guards deep because Guard is not as important a position as Tackle. Best situation for a team is to have a backup Tackle who can also play some Guard if necessary ...... because he's going to be probably one of only 2 backup OL active on gamedays.
If I can have a backup Tackle, who is solid and can play some Guard ..... or a backup Guard who can, hopefully, play a little Tackle ...... I'm taking the Tackle. I want to make sure my QB stays alive.
Relevant sidenote. Compared to our guard depth, our tackle depth stinks. Pinky > St. Claire by a mile.
But both positions are being backed up by guys who would have been our starters in the past so its all good 
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The Bandwagon fan( Versatile) makes statements like front office likes/dislikes. A long time fan knows that depth at on the Oline is critical to anything your team does on offense because you going to have injuries in football. The long time fan knows that rounds 3-5 are rounds that you can find a good football player AND that is what most good teams do.(* by the way, when did the Browns have the talent to NOT make picks in those rounds? *)
I'll be pretty surprised if Vers has been a fan for less time than you.
I agree with him, you are whining.
Stop.
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You said we did not acquire 1 offensive lineman in the draft. You were wrong. I don't think the run blocking was as bad as most make it out to be. Yes, they were better at pass blocking, but TRich danced too much. Hardesty found the holes. So did Obi. And when Jackson finally got his shot, he burst through the holes. Bandwagon fan? LOL...........I probably have clothes that are older than you. And I don't think anyone other than MAYBE eotab and Pit preached the need for a good OL more than I did. How did they do against Detroit? Really? They were outstanding. Did you not see the huge pocket Weeden had? No other qb in the league is getting a pocket like that. Guys like Luck and Rodgers get hit on almost every single play. Let me guess, your long-time fan eyes thought it was just Weeden having a great night?  You are basing your criticism on a couple of plays. Listen here, long-time fan..........ALL TEAMS GIVE UP PRESSURE. ALL OFFENSIVE LINEMEN GET BEAT. THE DEFENSE GETS PAID TO MAKE PLAYS AND THEY DO. The facts are that the Browns give up way fewer of those pressures than almost any team in the league. Only New England may be as good as we are at pass blocking and we have a top 5 OL in the entire NFL. I wonder how many of us can name the top 8 offensive linemen for the Super Bowl winning Ravens? I wonder how many of us can name their starting OL? How about their four top guards? Three guys on the OL? Heck, I can't do that...........yet, you think we need to go beyond four deep at guard. Must be because you are such a long-time knowledgeable fan. You know, the same one who used the Detroit game as an indicator of poor OL play. 
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With the holes at other positions and already having a starter quality guard at backup, I don't see the point in drafting one beyond a developmental round. Lava had been immune to injury. Greco to my knowledge has also stayed healthy.
We did have holes in other positions but if your shore up on Oline, that sets the table for anything else you do on offense. Hey, please tell me the player that we developed from previous drafts that has turned INTO a solid lineman( and not our 1st round pics). Or could our OGs start or even get playing time on other teams in our division?? And as far as your point about drafting, we will have to tell Ozzie, and Cincy that one!! Since they draft better than us and have better talent!!
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How many NFL teams have sure fire, starter quality depth 4 deep at Guard? I would bet that it's very few. Most teams have 2 starters, and a solid backup, and that's it.
Most teams have 2 backups that are solid and within their starters can move into another position if that backup can only play 1 position. Good teams with good Olines can shuffle their lineup when needed also. If Thomas or Mack went down, who could we shuffle around???
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We have 3 starter level kids, one of whom entered the season with some injury concerns. We drafted another kid. Then we lost 2 players to injury. How often does a team lose 2 Guards in preseason?
I'm not sure who you are stating are 3 starter levels. We only drafted 1 OL and that was i the 7th round. There is no way you can say that the situation with our OGs especially, that we should have held until the 7th round to pick a lineman.
And again, most teams have 2 solid backups on their Olines that can play multiple positions. One gets hurt, you can slide the backup in that position or shuffle your line. As I asked another poster, who can we slide and shuffle around if a Thomas or anyone else gets hurt? And all that typing you did, you never answered the question of how could the Browns sit out of 3-5 like there were NO talent anywhere in those pics?? Are talent is that nice?? Please, take you orange colored glasses off.
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I'll be pretty surprised if Vers has been a fan for less time than you.
I agree with him, you are whining.
First, who pays you to think!.. Second - So what you agree!
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You said we did not acquire 1 offensive lineman in the draft. You were wrong.
Your right, our 7th rounder from Chardon St!, Yup, we can really build now!
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Bandwagon fan? LOL...........I probably have clothes that are older than you
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How did they do against Detroit? Really? They were outstanding. Did you not see the huge pocket Weeden had? No other qb in the league is getting a pocket like that. Guys like Luck and Rodgers get hit on almost every single play. Let me guess, your long-time fan eyes thought it was just Weeden having a great night?
They were outstanding! Please, the Oline can pass block but run blocking? Are you serious! Our line did not blow them back at all. Those holes we had were not there long. When have you seen the Browns line up, 3rd and 3 and get it??? How about on first and 5 on the goalline and knock the Dline back??? Unless a line can impose their will on a Dline, spare me the outstanding talk!
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I wonder how many of us can name the top 8 offensive linemen for the Super Bowl winning Ravens? I wonder how many of us can name their starting OL? How about their four top guards? Three guys on the OL? Heck, I can't do that...........yet, you think we need to go beyond four deep at guard. Must be because you are such a long-time knowledgeable fan. You know, the same one who used the Detroit game as an indicator of poor OL play
Please, you don't have to know the names of their linemen, but any person knows that the teams with good olines can both run block and pass protect. We know that the Raven can line up, 3rd and 3 - run and get those 3 yards. I don't know a name on SF's Oline, but I know F.Gore can lineup behind them and those tough yards because his line opens up holes. Tell ya what, in our division, The Ravens and Cincy will line up and RUN it down a teams throat if need be. How about us??? Pitt's line is in bad shape right now but even they are stressing the need to punish teams!..
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True! Vers is anything but...
Got kind of a kick out of that,, you can call Vers a lot of things.. but Bandwagon fan is NOT one of them 
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That 7th rounder has tremendous talent. He is raw as he hasnt faced the high level of competition that makes you better but don't doubt this kid can play in this league. When you see a guard with that big ass up in the air, playing with good bend and he is also showing good footwork and balance, there is reason for great optimism. The rest can be taught.
I thought our run blocking was good last year. Holes were there and they closed because the back was looking for something else, instead of using what was created.
OL is the easy excuse when indecision corrupts the skill positions.
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Clem: You are sounding like Bard, if my interpretive skills are on point! I do agree that having (which we don't) 4 quality starter OG's is just not done and probably not affordable in any event. My point was that OG is not a position of strength and many posters have stated in the recent past that they wish we had addressed this "shortcoming"...
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With the holes at other positions and already having a starter quality guard at backup, I don't see the point in drafting one beyond a developmental round. Lava had been immune to injury. Greco to my knowledge has also stayed healthy.
We did have holes in other positions but if your shore up on Oline, that sets the table for anything else you do on offense. Hey, please tell me the player that we developed from previous drafts that has turned INTO a solid lineman( and not our 1st round pics). Or could our OGs start or even get playing time on other teams in our division?? And as far as your point about drafting, we will have to tell Ozzie, and Cincy that one!! Since they draft better than us and have better talent!!
WOW.... you are such a smart fellow AFTER the fact huh? OL was a strength of the Browns and we had depth .... and now that we have 2 injuries at the same OL position you tell us the FO needed to draft more talent on a position of strength. You're a genius. You remind me of my friend who picks the winner of the kentucky derby EVERY YEAR .... after the race has finished. 
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I don't know a name on SF's Oline...
It would be well worth your while to invest a moment and find out as they have, arguably, the best Oline in the league...
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Gilky MIGHT be a decent OG in this league. Only time will tell. But the Browns Org can not be serious about waiting until the 7th round to find "Gilky"!! There was plenty of talent in the prior 6 rounds, specifically at OG. We all knew that was a NEED of the team. To barely address it, and then have to scramble now to fix a problem is dumb.
Our run blocking was a little below avg. Yes, T.Rich was not finding holes like he should have AND that Offset I they had him in was stupid. But again, when did the Oline physically tear a team up??
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MGH888, Since I'm not familiar with you or your 38 other posts, why not do a search on Browns draft needs of 2013 draft and see what position comes up consistently!!!.. I guess those people were smart after the fact also!!..OL the strength of the team with just 3 good players and depth.. OK, I can see you know what your talking about BEFORE the fact! 
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I wanted a guard in the 2nd after a trade down. Warford, I feel was a beast and would be a steal there for us. I liked our guards but I wanted Lava and Warford as our guards.
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ThrowLong dudester, anger management, man! Got to learn to vent. Looks like you are managing to get angry about as well as I have seen. I agree with the expletives. Hope you survive the latest flareup. 
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If you look at those draft needs the experts and wannabe's posted for the Browns most of those people listed OG because of the uncertain health of Pinkston at the time not because we had bad players.
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I bought new glass's last week ; thought they might help me see better ( what you see from the guard play ) ... I bit--hed all last season about the play of our guards ( run blocking ) .. Maybe the glass's will help !
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I don't know a name on SF's Oline...
It would be well worth your while to invest a moment and find out as they have, arguably, the best Oline in the league...
I agree about this. I watch their Oline and nearly salivate. They are the premier unit in both areas of the game.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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We have 3 guys who actually have started and done a respectable job on the OL at the Guard position. They are all young veterans. Do you realize what an asset that is? You may not like the OL, or the Guard play, but the fact is that out OL did a nice job last year as far as pass blocking is concerned. When Pinkston went down, Greco did a great job stepping in for him. 2 of our guys are hurt, but will be bask in week 3 or so. They are quality players, and one of them will probably bump either Cousins or Gilkey back to a backup spot.
People bag on Cousins but really, his biggest fault is not being Joe Thomas or Mitchell Schwartz. He's not a starter, but he's a solid backup. He can flip to either side at T. He is also been used as an emergency backup at G. He's a valuable backup, even though many fans hate him. (lol)
I assume that you are one who thinks that teams need to invest 1st round picks in their Guards. I do not. I look around the NFL and see Guards who are late round picks, or who even went undrafted.
You want to play the "well, where are we if so an so gets hurt" game ..... but in all honesty, in general, teams suffer if any starter gets hurt. If Joe Thomas gets hurt, we are going to suffer no matter who we put in there, because he is one of the best of all time. You don't easily replace his skill and talent with a backup player. There is a reason that starters are starters. They are the best players on the team. We have a very solid OL, starters and backups, (when healthy, which they will be) and desperately throwing high draft picks at Guards is really almost senseless at this point. Those picks can be better used at other positions.
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A couple of years ago, Pinkston was another low rounder that inherited a starting position, and well, he did ok.
It happens in the NFL, more with guard in the OL than other positions.
We will just have to see, and hope that Lavo and Pinkston get healthy soon.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!
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