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The fact that Barkevious Mingo was spitting up blood on the Browns’ sideline Thursday night during a 24–6 preseason victory over the Lions served as a pretty good indication that the rookie linebacker had suffered a rather severe injury. According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Plain Dealer, even Mingo, who was diagnosed with a bruised lung, may not have been aware just how serious the situation was:
Had Mingo remained on the field during the game and taken another blow to the chest, he could’ve died, according to Dr. Clark Fuller, Director of Thoracic Surgery at Saint John’s Health Center in Santa Monica, Ca., who hasn’t treated Mingo. He said Mingo had already torn at least some small blood vessels, “and if you tear some larger ones, the chest cavity is an area where you could bleed to death and nobody ever sees a drop of blood on the ground.”
Cabot added that the estimated mortality rate for an injury such as Mingo’s is 14 to 40 percent.
“We’re just happy it’s not a career- or season-ending injury,” defensive coordinator Ray Horton told Cabot. “But they’re all serious when they miss playing time.”
San Diego’s Eddie Royal also bruised a lung this week, after hitting the ground hard while trying to make a catch in practice on Saturday. Royal received oxygen on the field while an ambulance and multiple fire trucks sped to the Chargers’ practice facility to tend to him. He was moved to a local hospital as a precaution.
Like Mingo, Royal appears to have skirted any long-lasting effects from the bruised lung. He did, though, also suffer a concussion, putting his status for the start of the regular season in doubt.
For now, Mingo is expected to be ready in time for the Brown’s regular-season opener on Sept. 8 against Miami in Cleveland. His injury actually occurred while he was covering the opening kickoff—he doesn’t recall the hit, but says he felt short of breath after the whistle—and the Browns plan to continue using him in that role. Mingo also should get plenty of opportunities to show off his pass-rushing prowess in rotational duty with fellow OLBs Paul Kruger and Jabaal Sheard.
Cleveland may opt to bring Mingo back slowly, if only because of the severity of his initial injury and the luxury of depth they have at his position. Still, whenever he returns to the field it will be cause for celebration, given how dire the situation could have been.
This story is pretty scary to me. And Mingo was saying he was contemplating playing through it. So he nearly made a fatal decision. And not only was it for a Preseason game, but also on special teams. I dont understand why Chud is risking his top picks health (and now life) for preseason special teams? And I realize you couldnt have put all of this on Chud, but if he would have actually died, Chud would have been the scapegoat and it would be the story of the year. Oh and Joe Haden is also playing special teams as well...
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It's not a big deal because Mingo is fine and it is not likely to happen again.
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It's not a big deal because the doctors say it is not a big deal. It was a bruise of soft tissue. He was held overnight in the hospital for observation as a precaution, and he was released when the doctors were satisfied that there was no longer a risk. He is healing and like most bruises, he will be perfectly fine in very short order.
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it is a big deal, but, much like Anderson Varejao and Pinkston's scary injuries, we are fortunate they were not more severe and that the individuals came out of it okay.
as for the question about playing STs, the answer is if you are going to use them in the regular season, then they better get some practice at it. I personally don't want Haden on STs, but I understand Mingo (he's big, fast, can tackle and is likely a situational guy at first for our defense).
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I don't think it's a huge deal because he didn't go back in and these types of injuries don't take long to heal... even as life threatening as they are.
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A Doctor from California saying a guy in Cleveland "Could have" died. Doesn't exactly seem like a big deal to me.
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Joe Haden has always played special teams as far as I know.
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Could it have been a life threatening injury? Yes it could have been. But in this case, it was caught before that was the case. I do agree with you about spending a #6 overall pick on what you perceive to be a future team star and then putting him on ST's. Same with Haden. It only serves to increase the risk further injury on players you are counting on as key ingredients to your teams overall success. But on here? Never question the new coaches! No matter what, they bat 1000! Excuses will be made no matter what happens. It's their "honeymoon phase". Every coaching staff so far has gotten one.  I feel this is the best staff we have had since our return. But everyone makes mistakes. Had Mingo have went back into the game and this injury have cost him his life, there would still have been excuses made. jmho
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IMO Someone "could" potentially die on any play or injury.
Was this written by Colts dad?
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he could’ve died, according to Dr. Clark Fuller, Director of Thoracic Surgery at Saint John’s Health Center in Santa Monica, Ca., who hasn’t treated Mingo.
So a doctor across the country that wasn't part of the diagnosis or treatment is stating what "could have" happened, even though he doesn't really know what "did" happen. 
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I guess it's not a big deal because he didn't die.. It is scary however.
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Technically anyone could die from a concussion as well.
But Mingo's injury certainly was odd ... it has to be one of the more rare football injuries, which makes it dangerous I guess.
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...and it's good that it happened in the 2nd preseason game. He has 23.5 days to rest and recover before the first real game. I'd keep him out of the remaining preseason games, but I'm not a doctor or coach.
A doctor all the way across the country should keep his mind on his own patients.
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he could’ve died, according to Dr. Clark Fuller, Director of Thoracic Surgery at Saint John’s Health Center in Santa Monica, Ca., who hasn’t treated Mingo.
So a doctor across the country that wasn't part of the diagnosis or treatment is stating what "could have" happened, even though he doesn't really know what "did" happen.
Got it!!!
Well, there's a 14 to 40% chance that doctor said that.
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he could’ve died, according to Dr. Clark Fuller, Director of Thoracic Surgery at Saint John’s Health Center in Santa Monica, Ca., who hasn’t treated Mingo.
So a doctor across the country that wasn't part of the diagnosis or treatment is stating what "could have" happened, even though he doesn't really know what "did" happen.
Got it!!!
Well, there's a 14 to 40% chance that doctor said that.
Wait - no, it's 100% the doctor said that
60% of the time it works every time
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Technically anyone could die from a concussion as well.
But Mingo's injury certainly was odd ... it has to be one of the more rare football injuries, which makes it dangerous I guess.
Didnt Big Ben have a rib injury a couple years ago that they said could have kidded him? He recovered nicely.
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Technically anyone could die from a concussion as well.
But Mingo's injury certainly was odd ... it has to be one of the more rare football injuries, which makes it dangerous I guess.
Didnt Big Ben have a rib injury a couple years ago that they said could have kidded him? He recovered nicely.
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Cabot added that the estimated mortality rate for an injury such as Mingo’s is 14 to 40 percent.
I have trouble believing that. at a minimum, 1 out of every 7 people that gets a bruised lung dies from it.
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Technically anyone could die from a concussion as well.
But Mingo's injury certainly was odd ... it has to be one of the more rare football injuries, which makes it dangerous I guess.
That would be my guess as well. Heck, a local guy (I think from Youngstrown) was playing for the Vikings, he died in Training camp (korey stringer I think) Nobody even hit him.. It was like a heat stroke or something like that. I guess if it's your time, it's your time.
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Technically anyone could die from a concussion as well.
But Mingo's injury certainly was odd ... it has to be one of the more rare football injuries, which makes it dangerous I guess.
That would be my guess as well. Heck, a local guy (I think from Youngstrown) was playing for the Vikings, he died in Training camp (korey stringer I think) Nobody even hit him.. It was like a heat stroke or something like that. I guess if it's your time, it's your time.
Correct, I believe it was Stringer as well. You never know what your body will react to and there are so many variables. I would assume Mingo would have been noticing the symptoms much more if he were close to dying. JMO.
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I have trouble believing that. at a minimum, 1 out of every 7 people that gets a bruised lung dies from it.
I would guess that most people that get a bruised lung get it in a pretty horrible accident, and maybe the bruised lung isn't their only ailment. It doesn't seem that most people who bruise a lung do so without any other injuries.
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Bruised lung is typically caused by car accidents or from explosions (shock waves). wiki Had Mingo not been coughing up blood he would have either healed on his own without further incident, or noticed a lack in performance (trouble breathing etc.) and gotten it checked out a few days later. Minor cases like Mingo's aren't fatal. Unless Mingo has some sort of genetically defective lungs we won't be seeing this injury again. Probably the safest and least reoccurring injury possible. Probably about on par if he had gotten the flu. This convo will be over in a week or two. zzzzz
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Cabot added that the estimated mortality rate for an injury such as Mingo’s is 14 to 40 percent.
I have trouble believing that. at a minimum, 1 out of every 7 people that gets a bruised lung dies from it.
I would guess that most people that get a bruised lung get it in a pretty horrible accident, and maybe the bruised lung isn't their only ailment. It doesn't seem that most people who bruise a lung do so without any other injuries.
I would have guessed car accident as the leading cause of this type of injury...
It also says that he had torn some minor blood vessels and if he tore major ones, it could have been a lot more serious.... I'm not a doctor but the two are largely unrelated aren't they? It's not like if you cut some blood vessels in your leg and then get hit again that your femeral artery is going to rupture...
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I have trouble believing that. at a minimum, 1 out of every 7 people that gets a bruised lung dies from it.
I can believe it since most are caused by serious car wrecks or some other serious trauma.
Let's just say that when a person bruises a lung, it is usually a much bigger and deeper bruise.
His was a bruise like you got when hit by a baseball thrown by the 12 year old flamethrower when you played little league....not one of those black and 8 shades of purple with some yellow on the edge jobs.
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I think this thread is just freaking everyone out a little. It's done, it's history and it's doubted highly to ever happen again... we should stop with the ghost stories and the mortality rate and this and that facts. 
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Cabot added that the estimated mortality rate for an injury such as Mingo’s is 14 to 40 percent.
I have trouble believing that. at a minimum, 1 out of every 7 people that gets a bruised lung dies from it.
I would guess that most people that get a bruised lung get it in a pretty horrible accident, and maybe the bruised lung isn't their only ailment. It doesn't seem that most people who bruise a lung do so without any other injuries.
I would have guessed car accident as the leading cause of this type of injury...
It also says that he had torn some minor blood vessels and if he tore major ones, it could have been a lot more serious.... I'm not a doctor but the two are largely unrelated aren't they? It's not like if you cut some blood vessels in your leg and then get hit again that your femeral artery is going to rupture...
I think that's probably a good explanation/opinion.
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The scary part from a fan's perspective is that there were several red flags concerning his lean body structure not holding up to the NFL rigor and now he gets damage down to his lungs on the first real hit he takes to the chest and that won't be his last one....that's not a good start. Mingo wasn't much of a tackler in College and already lacked physicality there despite being a hustle player, that's a strange mix and indicates that he just doesn't have the sand in the pants to play that way and this episode doesn't bode well imho. Also, don't discount the effect on the mental/approach side towards the game when a doctor tells you something like this. He already received millions of guaranteed money. Do the math. I know if I where him I would be tentative about going all out in the upcoming games. And yeah, whoever came up with the idea to have your beanpole, 4.5 running top 10 pick investment running full speed downhill to face the Ventrone's of the league is beyond stupid.  I didn't like the pick for several reasons (mainly because I just don't see a 3 down player even long term) and his body structure was one of several red flags with him. Looks like this regime's first draft class will only get a handful of snaps worth of action in Dime package (so much for McFadden starting opposite Haden  ) early in the season. That's another bad start
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I really think this regime saw Bruce Irvin's and Aldon Smith's immediate success/impact and saw Mingo to be the same type of player. I will admit that his slightness and inability to be an every down linebacker really has me questioning the pick ... but I'm not the one running the team.
I still maintain that trading back with STL and selecting a combination of G/CB/FS would have been my move instead of drafting Mingo ... time will only tell now.
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I see Mingo as a 3 down player. Maybe not this year but I can see him playing for many years.
You don't think he is going to add some bulk over the next 2-3 years?
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The last I heard,, they weren't even sure when he was hit.
EDIT: I seem to remember that Ray Horton was asked about his physical size and bulk and basically, he just blew off that worry. FWIW
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I do think he'll add some bulk (hopefully it won't hinder his quickness and agility) but I don't know enough about that transition from a 3rd down specialist to an every-down player to safely say that he will become one. Maybe this year will give us a better indication about his potential in that area. All I know is this year he isn't one.
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The scary part from a fan's perspective is that there were several red flags concerning his lean body structure not holding up to the NFL rigor and now he gets damage down to his lungs on the first real hit he takes to the chest and that won't be his last one....that's not a good start.
DJ...I believe many were hoping that Mingo's lack of physical size could be overcome by his speed and athletic ability...the jury is still out.
It really is too soon to draw conclusions about Mingo's future in the NFL...but I do understand the concerns about his lack of physical size. I would expect Mingo to begin to develop himself in the off season and hopefully put on 10 to 15 lbs of muscle.
There have been other defensive players with a lean body type who have had good careers in the NFL...Jason Taylor and Justin Tuck come to mind...both were very lean coming out of college and added weight once they got to the NFL.
Hopefully the injury Mingo suffered was a freak thing that won't happen again. I do find it troubling that Mingo has no idea how he got hurt...hard to protect against an injury reoccurring if you don't know how it happened.
Maybe Mingo will wear a flak jacket when he steps back on the field...
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I can believe it since most are caused by serious car wrecks or some other serious trauma.
Let's just say that when a person bruises a lung, it is usually a much bigger and deeper bruise.
His was a bruise like you got when hit by a baseball thrown by the 12 year old flamethrower when you played little league....not one of those black and 8 shades of purple with some yellow on the edge jobs.
I guess that was more my point... the stat isn't exactly consistent with the injury... as bruised lungs go, this appears to have been fairly minor...
It would be like a guy getting shot in the chest with a bb gun and me pointing out that 1 out of 4 people shot in the chest will die from it... well the ones that die aren't shot with a bb gun.
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Mingo wasn't drafted to start right away based on our FA
no 2nd round pick (Gordon - who will be starting)
McFadden was a 3rd round pick - many HC's go veterans especially at CB.
Now, if Mingo doesn't make any impact getting to the QB or is always hurt and McFadden isn't a starter by the end of the year (unless Skrine or Owens really surprise), then we can start critiquing things more harshly. For now, it is as expected on draft day.
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I'm sure Mingo will wear a flack jacket of some sort if for peace of mind.
Chud said he will continue his role on special teams.
1. most championship teams I have seen usually has starters from their D on special teams. Mingo doesn't start. He's part of the team and he isn't Fra-Gil-Ee (It must be Italian) it was a freak thing - usually seen in car accidents as the Seat belt digs in the lung area.
I deleted the game I think...I'd like to go back and see that opening kick off to see where it happened. It was serious at the time. Also a Doctor who never looked at him is the one stating it could have been death if he continued. So I take that part with a grain of salt. I'm sure it could have been very serious and good thing he spit up blood that made them all worried enough to take him out.
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Exactly. Just because he was a high draft pick, it doesn't mean he's too good for special teams. He is a backup competing for playing time at his position. He's the type of player who we usually see on special teams. Hopefully, as he gets better and evolves into his position at the NFL level, he actually will be too good to play special teams. Right now, though, he fits the mold.
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I can believe it since most are caused by serious car wrecks or some other serious trauma.
Let's just say that when a person bruises a lung, it is usually a much bigger and deeper bruise.
His was a bruise like you got when hit by a baseball thrown by the 12 year old flamethrower when you played little league....not one of those black and 8 shades of purple with some yellow on the edge jobs.
I guess that was more my point... the stat isn't exactly consistent with the injury... as bruised lungs go, this appears to have been fairly minor...
It would be like a guy getting shot in the chest with a bb gun and me pointing out that 1 out of 4 people shot in the chest will die from it... well the ones that die aren't shot with a bb gun.
Am I wrong here? didn't the Doctor that said he could die from this injury the same doctor that DID'NT see him?
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I can believe it since most are caused by serious car wrecks or some other serious trauma.
Let's just say that when a person bruises a lung, it is usually a much bigger and deeper bruise.
His was a bruise like you got when hit by a baseball thrown by the 12 year old flamethrower when you played little league....not one of those black and 8 shades of purple with some yellow on the edge jobs.
I guess that was more my point... the stat isn't exactly consistent with the injury... as bruised lungs go, this appears to have been fairly minor...
It would be like a guy getting shot in the chest with a bb gun and me pointing out that 1 out of 4 people shot in the chest will die from it... well the ones that die aren't shot with a bb gun.
Am I wrong here? didn't the Doctor that said he could die from this injury the same doctor that DID'NT see him?
You are correct.
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