Barkevious Mingo's return to the field for the Cleveland Browns remains a mystery.
The rookie outside linebacker is nursing a bruised lung he suffered during last Thursday's 24-6 preseason win over the Detroit Lions. Browns coach Rob Chudzinski admitted Tuesday he isn't sure when Mingo will be back.
"Basically, the bottom line with KeKe is nobody really knows," Chudzinski told reporters, per The Plain Dealer. "It's just how his body is going to heal."
A source told Cabot that the Browns expect Mingo to return to practice in a week or two, but Chudzinski offered no timeline, saying: "We're just waiting. Everybody's body heals differently and at a different rate."
Mingo said Wednesday he was feeling better -- but added he had never experienced symptoms like those he felt Thursday, Tom Withers of The Associated Press reported. Mingo is listening to doctors and waiting to get back on the field, he said, while trying to stay positive.
Mingo's first NFL preseason is effectively over. Slated to play an important role as a situational pass rusher, Mingo will be treated with kid gloves. The only date that matters now is Sept. 8, when the Miami Dolphins roll into town for the season opener. Until then, Barkevious exists in the shadows.
Symptoms out of left field? "trying to stay positive"? Not good....
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get ready for some very bad news IMO. I know nothing about bruised lungs, but I can see everyone being very cautious with Mingo.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
this whole ordeal makes absolutely no sense. he is spitting blood but they can't find which hit could have caused it. they go over game film and see nothing. he can't remember which hit could have caused it. somethings not right here. i'm wondering if he didn't jar something loose in practice and just kept his mouth shut like players do. i'm wondering if it's something unrelated to football all together. I've spit blood from ulcers. I've spit blood from years of jack daniels. a bruised lung is not the only thing that causes that. man I hope he's not hiding something. a bruised lung we can live with.
tradition can only carry you so far, then you have to start winning again.
I would guess that they are just being very careful trying to figure out when/how the injury happened in the 1st place.
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Quote: I would guess that they are just being very careful trying to figure out when/how the injury happened in the 1st place.
I agree. They don't have all of the answers, so they're not going to try and make something up just so we have some form of information. It could have happened in a pile when you couldn't even see him and he may not have felt it immediately. I'm glad they're being cautious, as they should be. I also don't care how long it takes to get him back on the field, let's just make sure he's fully healthy first.
Quote: this whole ordeal makes absolutely no sense. he is spitting blood but they can't find which hit could have caused it. they go over game film and see nothing. he can't remember which hit could have caused it. somethings not right here. i'm wondering if he didn't jar something loose in practice and just kept his mouth shut like players do. i'm wondering if it's something unrelated to football all together. I've spit blood from ulcers. I've spit blood from years of jack daniels. a bruised lung is not the only thing that causes that. man I hope he's not hiding something. a bruised lung we can live with.
This is kinda where my mind has been as well. It just doesn't make sense that it happened during the game.
In the interim, I'm just taking things at face value and I expect him back in 7-10 days and to be ready for Game 1 on Sept. 8th.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I'm trying my best to stay positive here. I think there is good reason if you don't try to read into things too much.
Mingo said he hasn't felt anything like that before,, well, before I had serious surgery the first time, I'd never felt anything like that before .. Not sure how big a deal that is.
As for a timetable for his return, Chud gave a guess, until I hear otherwise, it sounds more like Chicken Little sounding off. I'll wait and see.
Thanks for the article Django.
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Quote: Also a Doctor who never looked at him is the one stating it could have been death if he continued. So I take that part with a grain of salt. I'm sure it could have been very serious and good thing he spit up blood that made them all worried enough to take him out.
Exactly. That Dr. never examined him nor has any idea whatsoever of the degree of the injury.
Having experience with that type of injury he's a good one to explain exactly what "bruised lung" means. But having no knowledge of Mingo's specific diagnosis he's a bad one to provide a prognosis.
I'm simply worried that some of the vague things coming out about his injury may see a situation like what we saw with Lava. The fan base overall seemed to dismiss it as minor but it ended up that he would be out for a while.
Maybe I'm just a bit shell shocked from all of the injuries, but it just seems to be our luck.
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BEREA, Ohio -- Barkevious Mingo's bruised lung could keep him out of football for months, considering he was spitting up blood and doesn't recall a sharp blow to the chest, two thoracic surgeons told cleveland.com Wednesday.
When the bruise heals, the Browns' rookie linebacker will likely have to undergo a battery of tests to rule out a serious condition.
"The fact that he's spitting up blood means it's not a minor contusion,'' Dr. Philip A. Linden, Chief of Thoracic Surgery at University Hospitals Case Medical Center, said. Linden has not treated Mingo. "There's something significant going on there.''
Linden said a bruised lung can take anywhere from two weeks to two months to heal, depending on the severity of the contusion.
"Two weeks might not apply in this case because of the coughing up blood,'' he said. "The most common situation we see with lung contusions is after a motor vehicle accident, where there are broken ribs. Even then, coughing up blood is unusual.''
Linden said it's unusual because bruises usually occur at the edges of the lungs and "to cough up blood, it's usually something more central going on.''
Dr. Clark Fuller, Director of Thoracic Surgery at Saint John's Health Center in Santa Monica, Calif., said he wouldn't plan on Mingo being ready for the opener Sept. 8 against the Dolphins. He agreed that the issue could -- and probably should -- take months to resolve.
Last week, Fuller said he'd keep Mingo sidelined for at least two to three weeks -- but that was before Mingo revealed the blood.
"The opener is in jeopardy -- and it should be,'' said Fuller. "You've got to make sure this isn't a warning flag for something more serious. Spitting up blood and being short of breath shows you how severe it was, and there's no apparent reason for it.''
Both surgeons are puzzled as to how Mingo was injured lung without a sharp blow to the chest. Quite honestly it's a little frightening because we don't have a good reason why he started bleeding inside his lung.
"A pulmonary contusion would be very unusual without significant force, such as the force that you would have with a bad motor vehicle accident on the chest wall,'' said Linden.
So what would explain Mingo's injury?
"I don't have an explanation for that,'' Linden said.
Mingo experienced shortness of breath after covering the opening kickoff of Thursday's 24-6 victory over the Lions, but re-iterated Wednesday that he did not take a helmet to the chest. As the first quarter wore on, he found it increasingly difficult to breathe, and had blood in his mouth. He alerted the training staff, who quickly took him to the Cleveland Clinic Hospital, where they diagnosed the injury.
On Tuesday, coach Rob Chudzinski said of Mingo's estimated date of return, "basically, the bottom line with KeKe is nobody really knows.''
On Wednesday in the locker room, Mingo insisted he felt fine in camp until that first play against the Lions, suggesting the cause of his injury didn't happen in the preseason opener against the Rams or in practice.
"It happened in the (Lions) game,'' he said.
Linden said another cause for spitting up blood is a clot in the lung that can mimic a contusion, "but I assume they've done the tests to rule that out.''
Browns right guard Jason Pinkston suffered a blood clot in his lung last season. He missed the final 10 games and remained out of football activities for six months while on blood thinners.
Fuller said he'd also want to rule out a congenital condition, such as an arteriovenous malformation, or nodule on the lung, which can rupture and be very serious.
"You need to know why this young man bled,'' he said. "Otherwise there's a huge risk out there and it could happen again."
He said the fact it occurred after a 30- or 40-yard sprint is significant. "It could be something he was born with, or maybe he tore something in his lung,'' he said. "But exertion triggered this thing, and right now an investment in a couple of weeks is small change compared to this young man's life.''
Fuller stressed that the lack of an obvious trauma to the chest is the biggest reason to exercise caution. He said that in the case of Chargers receiver Eddie Royal, who suffered a bruised lung in practice last Friday, he came down hard on his back and also suffered a concussion.
"That was one plus one equals two,'' Fuller said. "Here, we've got one plus one equals we're not sure. It's really difficult to put together, and quite honestly it's a little frightening because we don't have a good reason why he started bleeding inside his lung. I think it really needs to be fleshed out before this guys goes back out onto the field.''
Mingo said Wednesday that he's felt great since since spending Thursday night at the Clinic and that his breathing is fine. But his doctors -- who saw him again on Tuesday -- aren't letting him run yet. During practice, he's getting tips from fellow linemen, including left tackle Joe Thomas.
"I'm good,'' he said. "I can always take this time to get the mental reps and go out there at practice and watch the guys do it the right way and in the meeting room get the corrections and whatever it may be to get better."
But Fuller cautioned that he wouldn't rely on Mingo's reports of how he feels and his eagerness to play.
"Him feeling well has zero input into the management of his case,'' said Fuller. "The least important thing to me is how he feels. These things are a big deal, and it needs careful investigation to make sure nothing will raise its ugly head in the future.''
Just finished reading the article myself via Mary Kay Cabot's twitter feed. Hopefully, it's not the case that he misses months because game day experience is greatly needed. Having said that, the silver lining is that we have solid talent in Sheard and Kruger.
The reports aren't from physicians directly involved with Mingo and is a prognosis/expectation based on standard recovery periods. My hope is the bleeding wasn't nearly as significant and he will return quickly and at full health.
Does anyone else find it ridiculous that the authors of these articles are citing people that are not even remotely involved in this situation, and by doing that have no idea what's going on with Mingo... and by not knowing what's going on, take that as an indicator of it being the worst case scenario? "We don't know (because we're not involved, but don't worry about that), so something terrible is going on.
I know they're docs, but they're still just regurgitating info you could find on Wikipedia.
Here's some more all-star journalism for you. Mingo was released from the hospital, so they probably ruled out the possibility of the most serious health risks.
THE END
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Quote: Does anyone else find it ridiculous that the authors of these articles are citing people that are not even remotely involved in this situation, and by doing that have no idea what's going on with Mingo... and by not knowing what's going on, take that as an indicator of it being the worst case scenario? "We don't know (because we're not involved, but don't worry about that), so something terrible is going on.
I know they're docs, but they're still just regurgitating info you could find on Wikipedia.
Here's some more all-star journalism for you. Mingo was released from the hospital, so they probably ruled out the possibility of the most serious health risks.
THE END
That about sums it up. "Journalists" trying to play the fear-mongering card to get people worked up.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Quote: Does anyone else find it ridiculous that the authors of these articles are citing people that are not even remotely involved in this situation,
No, not really since Mingo's Doctors aren't at liberty to discuss the condition.
If you are a reporter wanting to inform the readers about Mingo and his injury and his Dr's aren't giving you any information, where else are you going to look?
Now, that said, it is up to the reader to figure out that the information given is more or less the black letter diagnosis, meaning a by the book take on the matter. This doesn't mean Mingo's case is this serious, but I am sure Mingo's real Doctors agree with those quoted in the articles, they are going to want to know why this happened before they give the go ahead to resume activity, and it is troubling there is no apparent reason for his problem. It would be a whole lot easier if one could point to a moment of impact rather than what we have here which brings in a multitude of other potential problems that have to be investigated and ruled out one by one. And that could take time. The process of elimination isn't always a quick process.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I know when I have an ailment I call a doctor in Seattle instead of driving 1.5 miles down the road.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Again, you aren't going to get any information out of the Doctors treating him, or even out of the hoptial that treated him, so what differnce does it make where the information comes from?
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Quote: Again, you aren't going to get any information out of the Doctors treating him, or even out of the hoptial that treated him, so what differnce does it make where the information comes from?
It makes a huge difference. Relying on a diagnosis by a doctor that hasn't seen his CAT Scans or blood tests or talking to him in person is not at all reliable as it relates directly to Mingo.
In general, sure, a Dr. 3000 miles away can give you basic information but no way can he/she tell you any specifics.
With that said, you are correct, Mingos local Doctors aren't going to tell us anything of substance.
What we've been told by Mingo is he feels fine. What we've been told by Chud is that he's expected back in a few weeks.
The rest is just guess work by a Dr that hasn't examined him.. worthless.
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Ok, let's take out the information that is relevant.
(1) bruised lung recovery is anywhere from 2weeks - 2months
(2) coughing up blood seems to be an indicator that it is a central bruise, so the 2week timeline would be out of play.
(3) most important thing is figuring out "WHY" it happened and "HOW" it happened so that it can be properly guarded against in the future.
Fair enough. Timeline does seem like the opener is in doubt but unless it's more serious than they are letting on it shouldn't be much more than that. We'll see.
These out of town docs are simply outlining the process that they're going through. We're getting nothing from the Clev docs because we're not supposed to. We feel like because this guy is our #1 pick that he's ours and we're entitled to know what his situation is.
This diagnosis and treatment, like any injury or condition, requires a process of elimination that requires strict adherance to protocol. Sometimes that takes time. I have a child who is seriously ill and it can get maddeningly frustrating when we have to wait for a test. And for the most part, all docs know how to do is order tests. No one knows crap until test results are known. So you keep the kid out of dangerous situations - be that contact, exertion or whatever - until you have information.
We may not have it this year. The fact that he's not even allowed to run yet is not good. They don't have information enough to clear him to run. This CA doc isn't telling anyone at the Clev Clinic anything they don't know. They're on top of all of it.
My guess is, from a pulmonary standpoint, this is extremely unsettling and likely a congenitive condition. Normal lungs don't bleed from exertion. Especially, a highly conditioned professional athlete. What's puzzling is that they would have had structural study results back for several days now so a congenital condition would have been discovered.
The scariest scenario is that they won't ever know what the hell happened and after repeated controlled stressing and monitoring, they clear him without explaination. Then, he'll have to forget it ever happened if he wants to play football.
At any rate, I feel like this might be more serious than even Pinkston's issue was. And we see what that recovery looked like. With Pikston, there was cause established and treatment prescribed. And that took a year. We're not even at the cause phase with Mingo.
With the NFL the way it has become with the cloak-and-daggar desemination of information, we won't know exactly what's going on or even what they know. But I would be shocked if this kid sees the field before the snow flies, if at all this year.
Quote: But I would be shocked if this kid sees the field before the snow flies, if at all this year.
but even the doctors here noted that 2 months is the "long" recovery. sure, there might be something even bigger that keeps him out longer/forever, but it seems silly to be shocked if he went through a normal recovery for the injury at this point.
Here is a possibility I haven't seen mentioned: maybe he got hurt off the field on his own time, didn't tell anybody, and it flared up immediately during the game.
Like I said, it is just a possibility, however remote it might be.
Quote: this whole ordeal makes absolutely no sense. he is spitting blood but they can't find which hit could have caused it. they go over game film and see nothing. he can't remember which hit could have caused it. somethings not right here. i'm wondering if he didn't jar something loose in practice and just kept his mouth shut like players do. i'm wondering if it's something unrelated to football all together. I've spit blood from ulcers. I've spit blood from years of jack daniels. a bruised lung is not the only thing that causes that. man I hope he's not hiding something. a bruised lung we can live with.
Knox, you are talking about a different thing here. Spitting up blood is far different from coughing up blood. He is coughing it up.
Coughing up blood indicates a central pulmonary issue as opposed to the edge. That's indicative of a more serious condition and thus a longer recovery.
Damage to the outer regions is usually due to injury from blunt force.
No way around it, this is to be considered the most serious range of the timeline until there is a concrete diagnosis. We don't even know if he IS recovering at the moment. The issue could still be present.
Quote: this whole ordeal makes absolutely no sense. he is spitting blood but they can't find which hit could have caused it. they go over game film and see nothing. he can't remember which hit could have caused it. somethings not right here. i'm wondering if he didn't jar something loose in practice and just kept his mouth shut like players do. i'm wondering if it's something unrelated to football all together. I've spit blood from ulcers. I've spit blood from years of jack daniels. a bruised lung is not the only thing that causes that. man I hope he's not hiding something. a bruised lung we can live with.
Apparently someone already did bring up what I mentioned
I really have no idea what happened, but the whole thing doesn't make much sense to me either.
Quote: Ok, let's take out the information that is relevant.
(1) bruised lung recovery is anywhere from 2weeks - 2months
(2) coughing up blood seems to be an indicator that it is a central bruise, so the 2week timeline would be out of play.
(3) most important thing is figuring out "WHY" it happened and "HOW" it happened so that it can be properly guarded against in the future.
To me you have made the points others seem to try to dismiss. Any expert in the field can give you some guidelines which seems to be all they are doing. ie.... Coughing up blood is a more severe case of inner damage.
The privacy act would not allow the doctors treating him to give any specifics on his injury and the general guidelines concerning the injury can easily be given by anyone who specializes in the field.
JMHO
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Forgive me if it doesn't bother me for him to miss two months. That would be about 6 games. Sure, I'd like to have him early in the season but I'd rather have for the next 10 years.
As a cog in the wheel of the defense it's not like it's Kruger or Sheard or Taylor or DQ or Rubin. He's a rookie who will be worked in slowly in certain situations.
I don't disagree with you at all. I would much prefer they proceed with caution. Especially with everything I have seen concerning this type of injury.
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Quote: Relying on a diagnosis by a doctor that hasn't seen his CAT Scans or blood tests or talking to him in person is not at all reliable as it relates directly to Mingo.
In general, sure, a Dr. 3000 miles away can give you basic information but no way can he/she tell you any specifics.
I haven't seen any specifics. I have seen them say they haven't seen him. What I do see is a expert in the field saying what can happen in many of the cases.
It's just a information piece. These reports are in no way Mingo status reports. We'll get those once his attending doctors, the team and player are ready to issue a statement.
I think right now, they don't know the status as it's still evolving.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Quote: Relying on a diagnosis by a doctor that hasn't seen his CAT Scans or blood tests or talking to him in person is not at all reliable as it relates directly to Mingo.
In general, sure, a Dr. 3000 miles away can give you basic information but no way can he/she tell you any specifics.
I haven't seen any specifics. I have seen them say they haven't seen him. What I do see is a expert in the field saying what can happen in many of the cases.
It's just a information piece. These reports are in no way Mingo status reports. We'll get those once his attending doctors, the team and player are ready to issue a statement.
I think right now, they don't know the status as it's still evolving.
Oh I get that Peen, but to some, it's like the world is coming to the end and to prove it, they are using this doctors comments.
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Quote: sure if you want to base a diagnosis on truism, inuendo and speculation.
Who is talking about these reports being a diagnosis? Anybody who is reading these articles and thinking this is specific to Mingo and his diagnosis clearly has a reading comprehension problem.
I guess I don't get why people are upset reading the articles.
I will understand if Mingos doctors come out and say he needs X months to fully revover. I'll be upset as well.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Quote: One could just as easily say he could have an abcess in his lungs or even pneumonia,....probably other diseases that could have similiar symptoms.
no, the team has said it's a bruised lung. so, you need to start with that being the diagnosis. not panicking, but laying out the facts and moving from there.
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