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Just you..DC.

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I'm glad I can be here to fuel your delusion.

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Thanks for answering the question. I had my doubts that you would, but you have proved it is possible to discuss something with you. Personally, I would take the gun as it seems the more likely way I survive that situation. You must have a lot of confidence in your negotiation abilities.

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I'd have to look at the stats, but I would go out on a limb to say you would have just as good of a chance of being killed with your own firearm.

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I think it's pretty funny that you put "Good people with guns is not the only way to stop bad people with guns" in the original post, then try to act like you weren't baiting people into this argument.

I've baited people into arguments before, it's fun, just admit when you do it

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I think it's pretty funny that you put "Good people with guns is not the only way to stop bad people with guns" in the original post, then try to act like you weren't baiting people into this argument.

I've baited people into arguments before, it's fun, just admit when you do it

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Whatever you say boss! My point on the issue is, and I will stand by it. "The official NRA statement is wrong"

You think that is funny by saying it, and I'm baiting you. So be it. Frankly I think that's sad.

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In Japan, guns are few. And so is gun violence. Guns were used in only seven murders in Japan - a nation of about 130 million - in all of 2011, the most recent year for official statistics. According to police, more people - nine - were murdered with scissors.
Though its gun ownership rates are tiny compared to the United States, Japan has more than 120,000 registered gun owners and more than 400,000 registered firearms.


Read more: http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/ame...e#ixzz2cjUkX59z

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The Sandy Hook Elementary shooting that killed 27, including 20 children, is already generating the same conversation that every mass shooting in America generates: Why are there so many shootings?

One piece of this puzzle is the national rate of firearm-related murders, which is charted above. The United States has by far the highest per capita rate of all developed countries. According to data compiled by the United Nations, the United States has four times as many gun-related homicides per capita as do Turkey and Switzerland, which are tied for third. The U.S. gun murder rate is about 20 times the average for all other countries on this chart. That means that Americans are 20 times as likely to be killed by a gun than is someone from another developed country.

The above chart measures data for the nations of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which includes all Western countries plus Turkey, Israel, Chile, Japan, and South Korea. I did not include Mexico, which has about triple the U.S. rate due in large part to the ongoing drug war.

The rate in several developing countries, particularly in Latin America, is significantly higher. Honduras, which has been called the murder capital of the world, has an average firearm murder rate that’s about 20 times America’s. But make no mistake: For a rich, developed country, the U.S. gun-related homicide rate is very, very high.

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I think it's pretty funny that you put "Good people with guns is not the only way to stop bad people with guns" in the original post, then try to act like you weren't baiting people into this argument.

I've baited people into arguments before, it's fun, just admit when you do it

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Whatever you say boss! My point on the issue is, and I will stand by it. "The official NRA statement is wrong"

You think that is funny by saying it, and I'm baiting you. So be it. Frankly I think that's sad.

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Are you really not comprehending this? I don't care what your stance on gun control is, but starting a post by saying "The NRA statement is wrong" is asking for an argument.

Then you try saying, "I never brought up gun control"

Making a post saying, "The NRA statement is wrong" is bringing it up.

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So why won't you debate the official NRA statement then?

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I'd have to look at the stats, but I would go out on a limb to say you would have just as good of a chance of being killed with your own firearm.

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I would love to have a look at those stats . Seriously I would.

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The NRA had them destroyed.

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Yeah I know. Posters just hate it when they are given points of view that differs with theirs, or assume they are being baited into an argument. Then they hold a grudge and make condescending responses in other threads.

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Yeah I know. Posters just hate it when they are given points of view that differs with theirs, or assume they are being baited into an argument. Then they hold a grudge and make condescending responses in other threads.

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I honestly don't know where you're going here or what your point is. The only thing I've noticed is a conciliatory adoption of the smiley face in an array of posts.

If you want to have an intellectual debate, I'm all for it.

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An intellectual debate doesn't seem to be his m.o. It seems he'd rather state his opinion, then attack anyone that disagrees. But, at least he does this:

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Nope. Stopping a bad guy with a gun - by using a gun, is not the only way to stop the bad guy.

It's effective if used properly. And, it's a last resort kind of thing.

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According to the leaders and followers of the NRA, it's the only way. It has now been proven, the NRA and their followers are wrong! Wow ...what a shock aye?

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It's kind of like punctuation errors.

"I'd like to eat, grandma." is much different than "I'd like to eat grandma."

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Grammar is what separates people who their crap from people who know they're crap.

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It's kind of like punctuation errors.

"I'd like to eat, grandma." is much different than "I'd like to eat grandma."

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Grammar is what separates people who their crap from people who know they're crap.

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both at the joke and the irony of the typo.

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DECATUR, Ga. (AP) - The 20-year-old man who police say went to an Atlanta-area school heavily armed and exchanged gunfire with officers before surrendering was a normal kid growing up, but began to change as a teenager and engage in behavior that was threatening to others, his brother said.

Tim Hill told CNN's Piers Morgan on Thursday that when he and Michael Brandon Hill were growing up, he was "like any other kid," playing outside and in the woods.

But Tim Hill added, "Once he started hitting his teenage years, something happened with him. Everything just started changing after doctors started messing with his medicines here and there, and changing them up and putting him on a different one and institutionalizing him multiple times to correct his medicine. It just escalated from there."

He said Michael Hill set fire to the family's home when eight people were inside sleeping - the fire was discovered before it spread - and at another point their mother awoke to find him standing over her with a butcher's knife.

"My stepfather and mother ended up having to lock up...like all the knives in the trunk of the car, just to protect everybody in the home," Tim Hill told Morgan.

Tim Hill also confirmed that his brother threatened his life on Facebook, prompting him to call police. He said he feared for his life.

The older brother's comments came two days after a school bookkeeper helped persuade Michael Hill to surrender to police following a frightening standoff and shooting Tuesday at Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy in Decatur, a suburb east of Atlanta.

Police and school officials said that school bookkeeper Antoinette Tuff helped avert a tragedy after she was taken captive by Hill. He went to the school armed with an AK 47-style rifle and nearly 500 rounds of ammunition, police said.

Lines of young students raced out of the building with police and teachers escorting them to safety, recalling the chaotic scene last December outside a Connecticut elementary school, where a gunman killed 20 students and six educators.

On a recording of a 911 call released Wednesday, Tuff can be heard relaying messages from Hill to DeKalb County emergency dispatcher Kendra McCray before convincing the gunman to surrender. She tells the dispatcher that Hill said he wasn't there to hurt the children but wanted to talk to an unarmed officer.

"He said, 'Call the probation office in DeKalb County and let them know what's going on,'" Tuff is heard telling the dispatcher. "He said he should have just went to the mental hospital instead of doing this, because he's not on his medication."

No one was injured, but police said the suspect shot into the floor and exchanged gunfire with officers who had surrounded the school, which has 870 students in pre-kindergarten through fifth grade. With bullets flying, Tuff urged him to come back inside and give up.

"I knew (police) were gonna kill him. And I knew he was not in his right state of mind," she told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Thursday night.

On the program, she had a tearful on-air reunion with McCray, the dispatcher who stayed on the phone with her as she reassured Hill that surrendering peacefully was the right thing to do. Tuff also received a call in the network's makeup room from President Barack Obama. She said Obama wanted her to know how proud he was of her.

"You can't get any better when you have a great leader in front of you," a beaming Tuff is shown telling the president.

Time and again, Tuff stressed that her faith got her through the episode.

"That was nobody but God's grace and mercy, because I can truly tell you I was terrified inside," she said.

She said she was praying the entire time she talked with Hill, asking God what she should say.

McCray said she was frightened, too, particularly when Tuff began telling her Hill was getting agitated.

"I had to put my phone on mute (and say), 'Hey, he's getting agitated. We have got to move.'"

Tuff is "a true hero," McCray said on the program. "You did so great. I've never had a caller where the caller was so calm and so confident in what they were saying and so personable. You made my job a whole lot easier."

Hill is charged with aggravated assault on a police officer, terroristic threats and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. Police declined to discuss what he told them when questioned.

Police on Wednesday released an undated photo of Hill posing with an assault rifle that they believe is the one used at the school.

Authorities said Hill got the gun from an acquaintance, but it's not clear if he stole it or had permission to take it. His motive is still unclear.

Tim Hill expressed frustration that authorities hadn't done more to deal with his brother's mental condition before Tuesday. He said he doesn't believe his brother would have harmed Tuff or the schoolchildren.

"I don't think he was there to do that," Tim Hill said of his brother. "He's always had a problem with the cops."

Tuff told Cooper she'd like to visit Hill and speak with him again.

"He's a hurting soul, and so if there's any kind of way I can help him and allow him to get on the right path - we all go through something," she said during the interview.


http://www.nbc-2.com/story/23236429/brother-ga-school-shooter-changed-as-a-teen

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and at another point their mother awoke to find him standing over her with a butcher's knife.

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Nope. Stopping a bad guy with a gun - by using a gun, is not the only way to stop the bad guy.

It's effective if used properly. And, it's a last resort kind of thing.

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According to the leaders and followers of the NRA, it's the only way. It has now been proven, the NRA and their followers are wrong! Wow ...what a shock aye?

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Fine, that one statement by LaPierre is wrong.. it's not the ONLY way. In some circumstances, other ways, like negotiation, may work..... I've admitted it, now would you like to admit that it is ONE way to stop a bad guy with a gun? Would you like to admit that in many of the school shooting incidents had a nice woman walked in and tried to love the guy she probably would have wound up dead?

I'm not sure what you are advocating here beyond just trying to get people to admit that such an absolute statement as the one made by LaPierre isn't 100% accurate....

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Still, it's not accurate to say what the outcome may be, or that it's more effective one way or another to stop a bloodbath from happening. Is that what you are suggesting?

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You seem to know what the outcome would probably be if a nice women tried to negotiate a resolution with love and compassion, when it's already had a positive outcome in Atlanta.

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Absolute statements like the NRA exec.LaPierre made, are taken as 100% accurate by the members of the NRA and others.

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The bookkeeper also stopped someone who said he had no intention of using the gun.

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The bookkeeper also stopped someone who said he had no intention of using the gun.

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After he fired at police several times? Now you believe that he had no intention to use it because he said so, really?

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The bookkeeper also stopped someone who said he had no intention of using the gun.

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After he fired at police several times? Now you believe that he had no intention to use it because he said so, really?

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About as much as you believe it was this woman's kind loving words that kept him from doing so.

He seemed to realize his mistake. "He said, 'Call the probation office in DeKalb County and let them know what's going on,'" Tuff is heard telling the dispatcher. "He said he should have just went to the mental hospital instead of doing this, because he's not on his medication."

Why can't both be correct, and the combination helped keep a tragedy from happening?

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The bookkeeper also stopped someone who said he had no intention of using the gun.

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After he fired at police several times? Now you believe that he had no intention to use it because he said so, really?

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About as much as you believe it was this woman's kind loving words that kept him from doing so.

He seemed to realize his mistake. "He said, 'Call the probation office in DeKalb County and let them know what's going on,'" Tuff is heard telling the dispatcher. "He said he should have just went to the mental hospital instead of doing this, because he's not on his medication."

Why can't both be correct, and the combination helped keep a tragedy from happening?

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I wasn't here to win anything, be right, or to go tit for tat with the whole of your dawg talker clique in mass.

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Show me where a school employee, has stopped a bloodbath with a gun in hand before any bloodshed occured, and we can discuss that?

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I was pointing out that a violent bloodbath was avoided without bloodshed, with love and compassioin. Not the NRA way. Believe it or not, I don't care.

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