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Are you Fin kidding me? how the hell did you get that out of what i said? i suggest you pop some pills or wear glasses old man..
Another witty insult. But, to answer your question........I got "that" from what you said. Pretty simple.
 ANOTHER? please...you started this...not me...i'm not sure if u were in one of your moods but u clearly twisted everything i said to your liking.....your whole post was filled with sarcasm...whta hell did u expect from me? to be nice to you 
When is the last time a cornerback won a team the superbowl? go ahead...answer that....  stop being so bitter and think of this dude as a human being...that is all i asked for in my post...
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Or,you could think of the NFL as a business and Baxter as an employee.
That would be slightly more realistic.
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Don't know if i should get involved in this or not.  I can kinda see both sides of this, and in a way both sides are kinda right. From a business point of view the Browns are a product and it's players are "assets". So when it comes down to it, can that asset contribute. Case in point, Courtney Brown. Nice guy...bad for business. What Vers and Pit are doing is weighing on field production v's cost of keeping Baxter on the pay roll and quite frankly, it would be an understatement to say that the return on the investment has been poor. Now the other side is the human story. It would be inspirational if Baxter came back from such a setback(s) so thats why we pull for one of the good guys. Bottom line...that might not win us football games and if we're paying millions for the dude it might be better for the business, organization, product whatever you want to call it if we cut ties with the guy. Ok. *dons flak jacket*  
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I don't wear my heart on my sleeve and expect the Browns to donate part of their salary cap to charity. That's the reality of it. That's what's been going on to this point. Paying millions out with no return on your investment. You know,you can actually be a fan and at the same time comprehend,understand and consider the NFL as a business. I think you guys call that "keeping it real"?  Unless Leon gets his head out of his rump roast and decides to catch the damn ball instead of running his mouth,he's no #3 overall pick. And if Baxter can come back,fine. But I try to actually face reality. And the odds of him ever being his "old self" is VERY slim! Fact is,he can't help the Browns if he's not in the shape he was in before his injury and the likelihood of that is poor. Why play "let's pretend" and expect everyone to go along with you? I'm sure he wants to return. I'm sure he's working hard to do that. But I want to see it on the field before I buy into the fact he can. If you don't,fine. If you want to make this some fantasy "feel good story",fine. But to expect others to do the same isn't "keeping it real".
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I don't wear my heart on my sleeve and expect the Browns to donate part of their salary cap to charity. That's the reality of it. That's what's been going on to this point. Paying millions out with no return on your investment.
You know,you can actually be a fan and at the same time comprehend,understand and consider the NFL as a business. I think you guys call that "keeping it real"?
Unless Leon gets his head out of his rump roast and decides to catch the damn ball instead of running his mouth,he's no #3 overall pick. And if Baxter can come back,fine. But I try to actually face reality. And the odds of him ever being his "old self" is VERY slim!
Fact is,he can't help the Browns if he's not in the shape he was in before his injury and the likelihood of that is poor. Why play "let's pretend" and expect everyone to go along with you? I'm sure he wants to return. I'm sure he's working hard to do that. But I want to see it on the field before I buy into the fact he can.
If you don't,fine. If you want to make this some fantasy "feel good story",fine. But to expect others to do the same isn't "keeping it real".
Exactly right. It makes me sick thinking about how much of our salary cap is probably on the shelf this year.
I'll be shocked and amazed if Baxter can come back and be everything he once was. But there was something he said that gave me hope.
"Full range of motion, legs stronger than they were before."
We'll see.
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I don't wear my heart on my sleeve and expect the Browns to donate part of their salary cap to charity. That's the reality of it. That's what's been going on to this point. Paying millions out with no return on your investment.
LOL you think i want the browns to keep bunch of Courtney Brown because they are good people? please i'm being realistic....i don't care who Baxter played for....i am saying after hearing his story you just want to root for him to make a come back....i don't get what the problem is here....whta hell does it have to do with MONEY and the BROWNS? do you not want baxter to make a come back?
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If you don't,fine. If you want to make this some fantasy "feel good story",fine. But to expect others to do the same isn't "keeping it real".
No lets call this the "DAMN YOU BAXTER stop eating our money n go die somewhere..u suck we don't care what happens to you story"
Are you listening to yourselves? LOL "NFL is a business" well no shyt....the game is over for him...chances are he will never play again...but he wants to fight with everything he has...whats wrong with me rooting him on? it's not like we are paying him a bonus to come back where the hell is the money issue
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Believe me Ammo,with his heart,drive and work ethic,I really hope he can return. We need team leaders. But will his level of play ever permit that to happen? I always hope for the best when it comes to our players. But you must admit I believe,that if you start to expect your "hopes" to become a reality,you often are setting yourself up for a fall. I've always found it very helpfull to hope for the best,but prepare for the worst. I mean,if something good comes out,you're pleasantly surprised. And if the worst happens,you're fully prepared for it. I just look at the odds in this situation and they aren't good. But I'm still going to hope for the best. 
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You act as if people wish him ill will. Which nobody has done. Some are simply saying that it's unlikely. And that from a business and team aspect,if he can't,at what point do you cut your losses? Purely logical questions. You make it sound like nobody cares. That's just not so. You also make it sound like nobody "cares about his future". Well,in case you forgot,he made multi millions of dollars. So if you call that "kicking somebody to the curb" all I can say is they must be 14k gold curbs. At what point do you advocate a decision on him if he can't come back this year? Do we pay him for another full season in "hopes" that when he heals,he will be back to his former level of play? What if he returns this year,but can't quite cut it? Do you pay him this year in "hopes" that it will get better? See,it appears to me that you wish to ignore other very legitimate questions that may arise in the Baxter situation.You want to label those that raise those questions even though there is a very real chance these questions may have to be faced. Because you want to have everyone look at it from the same viewpoint and anyone who looks at these other options you try to portray as "haters". But that's getting more and more typical in todays society.
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I saw that whole NFL Network episode...twice cause I missed the Baxter part so had to watch it again 
Quite frankly this is how this Homer feels about it.
I see this nothing short of maybe a Gods Honest minor miracle! I'm no Holy Roller but my belief is strong - and what Baxter has accomplished so far has a lot of faith behind it. I feel some of that power is needed on this Browns team as we have been mired for years in some sort of Purgatory.
So maybe a little inspiration from going through a lot of soul searching through this past Holy week - but I will embrace this as nothing but one big ole POSITIVE for the Browns. Possibly also maybe a little lack of desperation outside of our bidding for Clements we have not shown the desparation I thought we were in for the position. All I know is I'll accept any minor miracle for the Browns. If ya believe than why not believe all the way - He's paid his dues and now he will shine.
As for comments on his play? Quite frankly I haven't seen him play enough to judge his on the field worth before the injury! Silly me I want to see him play a season before I judge him. I'm looking forward to judging him this season.
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If that's true about Winslow...I have no respect for him. None. He will resume his name of Winsloaf, if that happens to be true.
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I can somewhat confirm what Vers said about Winslow. Winslow was was really pushing to make the Pro Bowl and was concentrating on stats. This angered teammates that wanted him to concentrate on all of his game (blocking mainly) that would help the team. I haven't heard that he didn't care about winning games, but he was definately concerned with making the Pro Bowl and ignored some of his weaknesses in the process. As always, I won't name names of who I heard this from so you can believe it or not.
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What Winslow did is minor compared to Leon's actions.
I'm just curious as to why you didn't mention any hate for Leon, but you did for K2? You are free to feel as you do, but I want to hear the logic behind it.
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Say whatever you want about Winslow,,, but in truth, he's about as close to a Probowl level player as we have,,., Well, him and Wimbley
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I wish we had more people interested in making the pro-bowl.
Face it.....early on in the season the team goals were lost so I see nothing wrong with trying to meet personal goals.
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When you are sacrificing the good of the team for personal goals, it's a problem.
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I never cadone individuality over team goals...but we were playing for a draft pick - what shocked me just a little bit was why the team didn't take pride in trying to get one of their own into the Pro-Bowl rather than point the finger.
Actually if it was my team and it had some pride it would try to rally behind a teamate looking for a honor that hasn't been bestowed on any other Brown outside of Jamir since 99. I know OL take pride in a RB making the Pro-Bowl...well here was a case the entire team could rally behind in what was a depressing season. Not to forsake and sacrifice playing to win. But rallying behind a team-mate.
Hope I made my sentiments clear cause its a fine line between team brotherhood and all sharing in an accolade. And individuality which has no place in a "TEAM" atmosphere.
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Pit...i was talking with verse..i'm not sure how you managed to chime in with something completely off the wall and we ended up talking about something i don't even think was my point when i replied to verse...please go back and read as to what i said.. I said something along the lines of "and we wonder why we don't win games...because we need more players that are motivated like this" that is all i said...and he said "we don't win games because fans wine on a message board " After this it all got out of hand... I don't care if you root for him or not...i will root for his come back and that is the end of that...
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Face it.....early on in the season the team goals were lost so I see nothing wrong with trying to meet personal goals.
Exactly,, in fact, let me take that a step further... Even if our team goals weren't lost so early in the season, even if the team started the season, let's say 5-0... as long as it doesn't hurt the team effort or doesn't cause problems on the team and disruptions, then I still have no problem with a player trying to meet or exceed his personal goals...
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I wish we had more people interested in making the pro-bowl.
Face it.....early on in the season the team goals were lost so I see nothing wrong with trying to meet personal goals.
I know i never understand some fans....i think they are too use to losing they dont' know what a winning team is....kind of pathetic.....sometimes you need these players who want the ball and want to make plays....that is how u win games and build a team...if you have no go to guy a leader then it's a lot harder to win games....IMO 1 player should never be more imp than the whole team...but when you have nothing else going for you why not root that player on to a pro bowl?
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Sometimes? LOL,,, I want them all to want the ball, I want them all to want to make plays... I also want them to be smart enough to know that that isn't always possible or in the best interest of the team.. I want them to be wise enough to know the difference....
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Oh no, I feel the same about Leon. Hes a selfish jerk. I hated the pick when it happened, hate it now. Just nothing you said about Leon was new to me. I cant stand all these selfish players, thats why I kinda endeared myself to Charlie, seems to be the consumate team player. I pull for him, even though I'm not sure he has the talent. All the more I hope for Winslow, and Edwards...is that they pull their heads out of their asses and realize that the fame etc they want, can only be achieved if the team wins. For the team to win, they have to buy into the TEAM concept. I'm not too hopeful though. When I'd see Leon's show on FSN I wanted to puke. He cant run the right routes, but has a TV show....what in the world is wrong with that. I'm pretty sure he disgusts me more than Winslow. I cheer for the guys who are humble, and try their hardest on every snap. IE: Wimbley, Fraley, Frye, Cribbs, and Jones. They're my favorite players on this team. Hopefully this clears that up for you a little bit!
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Ok, your "insider info" is now null and void.
Have you seen him step on the field yet?
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No GM,he hasn't. He's just ASSuming he will since Baxter can walk without a limp. You'll have that from time to time on message boards.
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I just posted this because I was rather amazed Baxter was walking. His original diagnosis stated that he would be lucky to walk, much less play. Either Baxter is a very quick healer, or the Cleveland Clinic has some new hot shot doctor everyone will want to use.
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I'd just like to have a brief service announcement and say: Sean Jones is close to being a Pro Bowl player as well -"Thank You"
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