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Be nice if Indy collapses and we get an earlier draft pick then might be expected.
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The flashes that McGahee showed is enough for me to be 100% fine with this trade.
A 32 year old RB who no one wanted was making runs TRich never made here..
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Yes, I loved that McGahee just kept his feet moving on those plays late in the game. It really made the clock go when we needed it most. 
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TRich 60 yds on 20 rushes... still 3 per carry in Indy.
McGahee 48 yds on 15 rushes... basically the same production and we got Indy's first!
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McGahee 48 yds on 15 rushes... basically the same production and we got Indy's first!
Yep. So far the scales are tilting heavily in the Browns favor.
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The only way that happens is if Luck gets hurt and misses time.
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I've been visiting the Colts team message board after each game to see what their fans are saying about Richardson. They're all talking about how he's a stud/beast and will be great. After seeing his 3.0 YPC average through his first two games with them, they keep saying he needs more time to learn their offense, then they expect him to get 4.5-5.0 YPC. I'm afraid he may never be more than what he was here and am starting to love the trade. I thought a major part of his problem was our o-line not opening holes for him. Now, seeing him do the exact same with another team has me second-guessing his ability.
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I thought a major part of his problem was our o-line not opening holes for him. Now, seeing him do the exact same with another team has me second-guessing his ability.
Except that no RB here has shown that the issue isn't our OLine.... we still can't, and don't, run the ball.
Yeah, he only got 60 yds on 20 carries, but without seeing the game you can't tell whether or not they were productive carries. Average per carry doesn't tell you everything. I see his long was 12, and that Luck carved them up... was their defense focused on stopping him? When you look at the play-by-play, what I see is Richardson regularly getting 6-7 yards on a carry, with a string of 1-2 yd carries in between - usually when they are handing off to him after a ton of pass plays or it is 2nd or 3rd and 10, and usually it is called up the middle.
I would definitely NOT write the book on this one, yet, because when you do more than simply glance at a single stat it looks to me like he's being a productive back for them.
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Much like Hoyer, lets look at TRich's stat line in week 8. Regardless of our final running numbers these last two games, it is nice to see McGahee run with conviction to the gap drawn up.
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I would agree with that, and I would even say to extend it to week 12, and week 16.
Lotta permanent judgements being thrown about on two weeks of results. Even Derek Anderson managed to look good for a couple of weeks, so did William Green, Lee Suggs, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc..... ad nauseum.
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I think we see improvement from McGahee as the season goes on. Both backs (TRich and McGahee) are new to their teams. McGahee was out of football so will take time to find his feet, as long he keeps progressing then i'm cool. We'll see where both these guys shake out as the season goes but for now, its way too early on both of them.
Personally i'd like to see McGahee complimented more in the backfield with OB (Sorry....can't get my Mack/Byner 1-2 punch out of the system). As OB has looked better than TRich, McGahee, Rainey etc when carrying the rock in this offence as far as i can see. He's looked pretty comfortable this year.
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Also, McGhee is still rounding himself into football shape. It's one thing to be in shape ... but it's another to be in football shape. he showed some nice burst towards the end of the Bengals game .... so I think that the ability is there ..... but he has to get his legs 100% of the way back.
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The only way that happens is if Luck gets hurt and misses time.
I read somewhere that he's getting hit at a pace twice as much as any other QB.
I'm fine with a pick in the 20's, especially in this draft which is looking really deep.
I also think Colts fans are turning this "he needs to learn the system" which will give him a mulligan for this whole year, and then when next year starts, they're going to realize he's probably a guy who's always going to be a 3.5 ypc guy.
How many more excuses can we make for him? Running backs have a short shelf life as it is, and I don't see anything different about him right now from last season.
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I guess I look at it like this: Production wise, is there going to be a difference between McGahee/Ogby/Rainey/Fozzy and Richardson? Probably slightly yes (especially as a receiving RB).
BUT is there going to be a huge difference in production? No.
Would I rather have a 1st round pick than the difference in production? Heck yes.
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I read somewhere that he's getting hit at a pace twice as much as any other QB.
I'm fine with a pick in the 20's, especially in this draft which is looking really deep.
Luck is doing what he's doing in spite of a poor offensive line, so while they can beat up on a pathetic Jags team, it's likely to be a different story once they have to face a real team.
Both McGehee and Richardson are playing behind lines that just aren't very good.
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J/C. Thought this belonged here: Willis McGahee: 'I know I ain't Trent Richardson' By Marc Sessler Around the League Writer Published: Oct. 1, 2013 at 10:44 a.m. Updated: Oct. 1, 2013 at 11:12 a.m. The Cleveland Browns can't replace Trent Richardson. Willis McGahee knows that. Since trading away their featured back to the Indianapolis Colts, the Browns have relied on a committee approach in the backfield during their improbable two-game win streak. Has it worked? Richardson alone totalled 105 yards on 31 attempts (for 3.4 yards per carry) over Cleveland's first two games. The team as a whole has amassed 192 on 47 carries (4.0) since his departure. Those totals include some trickery on special teams and a quick-strike Josh Gordon end around against the Vikings. McGahee -- part of said committee -- made a difference in Sunday's 17-6 win over the Bengals. His 46 yards on the day included five runs of 5-plus yards on Cleveland's fourth-quarter touchdown drive that put the game away. His 9-yard blast from the Cincy 10 set up Brian Hoyer's scoring strike to Chris Ogbonnaya. "I think (that run) showed that I'm here to play," McGahee said Monday, per the Akron Beacon Journal. "I know I ain't Trent Richardson, but I'm here to play." McGahee, 31, isn't being asked to replace Richardson, who on Sunday ran for 60 yards on 20 carries in Indy's win over the Jaguars. Trent is the younger, stronger, more elusive back the Colts were looking for, but the Browns were willing to deal him away. We can spend all season debating the trade, but it looks like a win for both. The teams are a combined 4-0 since the swap and Richardson has a bright future in Indy. The Browns -- armed with two first-round picks in May's draft -- were willing to replace his 3.1 yards per carry on the year with a collection of lesser-known and (in McGahee's case, aging) patches. It's no long-term answer on the ground, but it's working for now. web page
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Lemmy, if you really think the issue was the offensive line, you really need to look at this link. Once I saw this, I was thrilled with the Richardson trade. This shows the lack of vision that Richardson has. You truly need to see this: web page
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Except that no RB here has shown that the issue isn't our OLine.... we still can't, and don't, run the ball.
Yeah, he only got 60 yds on 20 carries, but without seeing the game you can't tell whether or not they were productive carries. Average per carry doesn't tell you everything. I see his long was 12, and that Luck carved them up... was their defense focused on stopping him? When you look at the play-by-play, what I see is Richardson regularly getting 6-7 yards on a carry, with a string of 1-2 yd carries in between - usually when they are handing off to him after a ton of pass plays or it is 2nd or 3rd and 10, and usually it is called up the middle.
I would definitely NOT write the book on this one, yet, because when you do more than simply glance at a single stat it looks to me like he's being a productive back for them.
I've watched all of his runs with the Colts and he's dancing around in the backfield and slow to hit holes. He doesn't do anything when trying to go outside, either. He looks the exact same there as he did here.
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Lemmy, if you really think the issue was the offensive line, you really need to look at this link. Once I saw this, I was thrilled with the Richardson trade. This shows the lack of vision that Richardson has.
You truly need to see this:
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Wow, very interesting. Thanks for that link.
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McGahee was being very nice in that interview. And since he's got a rushing TD for the Browns he's alright in my book.
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Willis McGahee: 'I know I ain't Trent Richardson'
By Marc Sessler
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Published: Oct. 1, 2013 at 10:44 a.m.
Updated: Oct. 1, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.
The Cleveland Browns can't replace Trent Richardson. Willis McGahee knows that.
Since trading away their featured back to the Indianapolis Colts, the Browns have relied on a committee approach in the backfield during their improbable two-game win streak. Has it worked?
Richardson alone totalled 105 yards on 31 attempts (for 3.4 yards per carry) over Cleveland's first two games. The team as a whole has amassed 192 on 47 carries (4.0) since his departure. Those totals include some trickery on special teams and a quick-strike Josh Gordon end around against the Vikings.
McGahee -- part of said committee -- made a difference in Sunday's 17-6 win over the Bengals. His 46 yards on the day included five runs of 5-plus yards on Cleveland's fourth-quarter touchdown drive that put the game away. His 9-yard blast from the Cincy 10 set up Brian Hoyer's scoring strike to Chris Ogbonnaya.
"I think (that run) showed that I'm here to play," McGahee said Monday, per the Akron Beacon Journal. "I know I ain't Trent Richardson, but I'm here to play."
McGahee, 31, isn't being asked to replace Richardson, who on Sunday ran for 60 yards on 20 carries in Indy's win over the Jaguars. Trent is the younger, stronger, more elusive back the Colts were looking for, but the Browns were willing to deal him away. We can spend all season debating the trade, but it looks like a win for both.
The teams are a combined 4-0 since the swap and Richardson has a bright future in Indy. The Browns -- armed with two first-round picks in May's draft -- were willing to replace his 3.1 yards per carry on the year with a collection of lesser-known and (in McGahee's case, aging) patches. It's no long-term answer on the ground, but it's working for now.
<a href="www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000254023/article/willis-mcgahee-i-know-i-aint-trent-richardson" target="_blank">web page</a>
McGahee works because we quite clearly aren't interested in your typical run game. We aren't a team that is going to beat you up between the tackles. We are going to beat you through the air, and we only care to run it enough to provide a somewhat balanced attack. Why else would this regime, that is on record with not wanting to sign players over 30, sign a player over 30 and at a position where 30 is typically the death knell for their career? We simply wanted an experienced body, and McGahee fills that.
Look at our run game since the trade.... not very productive, but just enough to keep a defense honest in the pass game. IF that was our intent, then dealing Trent for a 1st round pick makes a ton of sense; especially if you think you can get a special back in a later round in next year's draft.
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our run game has IMPROVED since the trade. We've gone for 103 and 89 yards rushing the last two games which is way up from the previous two weeks of 40 and 60 (approx.)
Last week we even controlled the fourth quarter with our run game. I think it is just a product of the game. We have not had a lead, and teams were taking away our run game early, we have been trying to use the pass to open up the balance in the offense, and you saw that work in our favor late in the game after our passing game hurt them.
Our staff seems to have known we will have no running room without the threat of hurting teams with the pass...now that we have, for two straight games in throwing 6 TDs (5 from the offense) that we can be a more balanced attack. when we had Cincy on their heels, the playaction was killer, the run game was solid, and the pass game was open. Teams are going to lean on our pass game more often, and because of that, I think you'll see better rushing lanes because there wont be 8 in the box saying you WONT beat us within 5-10 yards of the LOS, now that we are hitting downfield it will pull defenses back and we'll be able to be more successful.
That is if we trend the same direction we've gone the last two weeks...and if teams try to do the same thing, we'll beat them the same way, with Gordon and Cameron downfield, and then Bess underneath, with an occasional run to pull them in more.
It's a great thing. Our offensive staff has just done a great job for 2 weeks, and may have been doing for 4, just with unsuccessful players.
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The big question that will have to be answered later is "what will we do come December?".
Winter is Coming.
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Winter is Coming.
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Winter is Coming.
Well we only have 2 home games in December and one of them is against the Jaguars.
Also Green Bay seems to do fine in a pass happy offense in the middle of winter on the Frozen Tundra.
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Our staff seems to have known we will have no running room without the threat of hurting teams with the pass...now that we have, for two straight games in throwing 6 TDs (5 from the offense) that we can be a more balanced attack. when we had Cincy on their heels, the playaction was killer, the run game was solid, and the pass game was open. Teams are going to lean on our pass game more often, and because of that, I think you'll see better rushing lanes because there wont be 8 in the box saying you WONT beat us within 5-10 yards of the LOS, now that we are hitting downfield it will pull defenses back and we'll be able to be more successful.
Your off your rocker with this 8-9 in the box crap.. TR faced 8-9 in the box 16% of the time FACT, it was posted all over the Browns official sight along with 8 X 10 color glossies of TR missing holes all over the place...
Frank Gore faced 8-9 in the box a league leading 42% of the time..
Look believe it or not about 10 days before TR was traded I opened up on the dude he sticks its the reason why he ran the ball 20 times last weekend and had 60 yards he lacks the ability to see the hole and run to day light, he out runs his blocking more often then not and he almost never see the cut back lane..
He is an average back at BEST due not to his skill set but his lack of football smarts and instincts... WE absolutely without even one doubt in my mind ripped off the Colts.....
Instead of being happy about that fact you bemoan his loss.....I'll put a check next to your name..
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WoW, back off porkchop. I think Steve was saying that with a threat of a passing game it will open up running lanes. Don't know where you got all the hoppla about bashing the FO about the trade. 
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WoW, back off porkchop. I think Steve was saying that with a threat of a passing game it will open up running lanes.
Tell that to Andrew Luck, the threat of a passing game isn't what's wrong with TR, if that were so then he would be having better then 3 YPC results with Luck... Then there is the 8-9 in the box theory which has been blown out of the water as well..
When the FANS that so loved the guy rate him based solely on performance he stinks... Average is what I would say maybe slightly bellow....
Ask yourself a few simple questions??
Why did we draft him?
Did he or didn't he live up to his draft status?
Forget about the he is a stud was he??? Really was he??
3.6 yards per carry is not a stud not by any stretch.. I've heard it all when it comes to this guy he isn't anything like most people IMAGINED him to be, and never will be because he lacks the smarts and instincts to be anything but average slightly bellow if you asked me....
When I hear the excuses it sets me off..
Like December is coming what then. We throw the ball just like we did in September there isn't a coach or player that will tell you different but the fans will, I wonder who knows better..
The WIND and not the cold is the deciding factor, ask a coach, ask a player...Offensively nothing changes in the dead of winter... NOTHING...
And TR was a bigger distraction here then he actually was as a player. If he had produced here he would still be a Brown.. Indy was ripped off and we got overpaid for a bust draft pick............
I look for their GM to be fired..........He blew it.......... 
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I never once mentioned Trent in my post. I'm happy with the trade...I think McGahee plus a 1st is better than TR...you can find that on the boards here somewhere, I did write that.
That being said. I've seen NFLN talk about it in the past. When we handed off to Trent, or even gave the threat of handing off to Trent, you saw nearly every body on the defense flood towards him. Which eats up most running room, and no matter what back we've had on the field...it had looked the same because the threat of our guys beating them one on one is minimal. Check some highlights of the Baltimore game...in fact, watch the broadcast, they talked about it a number of times.
Opposing defenses have for the past 3-5 years said you wont beat us within 5-10 yards of the LOS and we havent. Quinn couldnt, McCoy couldnt, and Weeden hasnt...Hoyer has. The times Weeden did...we won.
Historically our best players have all been at their best within 5-10 yards of the LOS. Winslow, Watson, Cooper in the slot, Norwood in the slot, Little to an extent, Cribbs, TRich, and anyone else you can think of. We've been unable to pull defenses back with our passing game, so teams have put 8-9 guys in the box (to me, within 0-10 yards of the LOS) and said...try and beat us...you cant. and we havent..
Now Gordon, Cameron, and sometimes Little have. Hoyer is actually putting the ball on the money and these guys can get that far downfield now and we've shown an ability to pick up large amounts of yards in single plays. This has (even if just for a short time) opened up some...SOME running lanes...for Willis McGahee in the 4th quarter, and every hand off OGB seems to be breaking off.
idk what you took your argument towards what I said from...
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Both McGahee and Richardson are playing behind lines that just aren't very good.
Richardson still dances like someone with two left feet. He gets to the line of scrimmage and moves left and right instead of forward. He hesitates and tries really hard to get 3 yards.
Sure, there are times when an OL makes running very difficult for a RB, but there isn't any reason for his lack of production since he was a 3rd overall selection. His career has BUST written all over it. Now that the Browns got a 1st rounder for him and it comes down to being a 4th, 5th, & 7th plus draft position in the 1st that we gave up for his services for a year, it isn't nearly as bad as it was before the trade.
Banner & Co. fleeced the Colts and it's going to become apparent for the Colts fans as the year goes along that they lost in that trade.
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There were talking about Trich today on nfl live on espn and someone said that trich was just a beast and used a stat to back it up and they stated he had made more people miss than any other back in the league. Thats a great stat if you are making them miss upfield but when you are waiting in the backfield for the defenders to get there then that stat gets a bit skewed.
Anway OB looks like a real deal and deserves more carries.
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True, but it's too bad we can't say the same about Weeden and Richardson. 
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I look for their GM to be fired..........He blew it..........
I won't speak to the rest of your post because I agree with most of it.
This one is different. I think it was Irsay that was all behind this trade.
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That being said. I've seen NFLN talk about it in the past. When we handed off to Trent, or even gave the threat of handing off to Trent, you saw nearly every body on the defense flood towards him. Which eats up most running room, and no matter what back we've had on the field...it had looked the same because the threat of our guys beating them one on one is minimal. Check some highlights of the Baltimore game...in fact, watch the broadcast, they talked about it a number of times.
They say lots of things that aren't true. You find a team with a RB any RB and when the QB fakes or hands the ball off the defense closes it's almost silly to think they won't.
The facts are we have played against 8-9 in the box 16 % of the time which is actually bellow average, which is exactly where TR comes in. Hardesy ran with much more authority and with much better results then TR did from the start of the season until the END.
You aren't seeing the obvious here..
Your thought process is flawed but instead of correcting yourself you dig a deeper hole... WHY?
Opposing defenses have for the past 3-5 years said you wont beat us within 5-10 yards of the LOS and we havent. Quinn couldnt, McCoy couldnt, and Weeden hasnt...Hoyer has. The times Weeden did...we won.
We sure as hell gave them fits when Hillis was here, and they knew damned well we couldn't do much but run the ball... And we did it all the same, now didn't we???
Your off topic here and your repeating what some talking head on NFLN says which leaves me wondering if you watch the games and think about what it is your seeing.
I watched the Baltimore game with the volume down I don't need some talking head telling me what I see. On at least three plays we ran sweeps to the right TR out ran his blocking and missed huge cut back runs on every single one of those runs. Had he not run so hard and allowed his blockers to get out and engage the defense, and had he had the instincts and the smarts he would have taken each and every single one of those runs for huge gains.... In fact it was that game and the Miami game that set me off and started me riding the guy hard....
I watched him very closely and he missed 99% of the running lanes he did have, and 1% just doesn't cut it. In fact the lanes he had to run thru on the cut backs were big enough to drive a semi thru. This is the NFL you get creases and seems to run thru you have to be able to see those creases and seems and you have to be able know when your O linemen has the defender tied up and run thru those creases and seems to daylight, TR lacks that ability other then that he is a beast, but not as an NFL running back and no amount of excuses will cover up for his actual performance not here in Cleveland and not in Indy either... 
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Where is everyone getting this 16% from???
I dont know whomever made this stat but I dont think they know where the box is exactly at?
I dont know the percentage and I'm tempted to go back thru every game last year and see for myself. But if memory serves, even with the first 2 games of the year that its way above 16%.
And far as the link that Fargo keeps pushing... seen it. Im pretty sure that I could find 4 plays for any rb or lets even say P. Manning where they miss the hole or a wide open wr.
It kills me how so many on here are purely stat oriented in their arguments.
Fact he was injured most of the year
Fact he set the browns rookie rushing record.
Fact he was one of the toughest to tackle. Your stats prove that and many who played against him had said the same.
Fact he 51 receptions and hardly ever played on 3rd down
Fact Weeden sucks and defenses designed their game plan around stopping Trich and kepi everything underneath and let Weeden try to beat them.
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Where is everyone getting this 16% from???
I dont know whomever made this stat but I dont think they know where the box is exactly at?
I dont know the percentage and I'm tempted to go back thru every game last year and see for myself. But if memory serves, even with the first 2 games of the year that its way above 16%.
And far as the link that Fargo keeps pushing... seen it. Im pretty sure that I could find 4 plays for any rb or lets even say P. Manning where they miss the hole or a wide open wr.
It kills me how so many on here are purely stat oriented in their arguments.
Fact he was injured most of the year
Fact he set the browns rookie rushing record.
Fact he was one of the toughest to tackle. Your stats prove that and many who played against him had said the same.
Fact he 51 receptions and hardly ever played on 3rd down
Fact Weeden sucks and defenses designed their game plan around stopping Trich and kepi everything underneath and let Weeden try to beat them.
I'm not sure if you're aware that Richardson got traded? To the Colts? As in, he's not a Brown anymore?
He's no different than any other player the Browns have gotten rid of at this time. Be that Edwards, Hillis, Dawson, Winslow, etc, etc etc.
Richardson is not a Browns player. Just a heads up. 
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Youre talking though like I'm defending Richardson. I'm not. Having 950 yards on the amount of touches that he had isnt good.
With Hillis we did run pretty well...and in fact Hillis had over 1500 total yards from scrimmage, and 13 tds...
Also...we scored 29 total TDs that season, averaged 16.9 pts per game and scored 24 or more 3 times...and went 5-11...
They looked at our offense and said try and beat us deep we dare you...and we did not. Yea we ran it okay...but what did it really help us? Did it win us a lions share of games? No.
My point continues to be that over the past years...when you watch our offense, the bulk of the defense is very close to the LOS and that leaves us little running room, because we had no ability to beat them deep. Maybe they didnt have the prototypical 8-9 guys in the box before the snap, but on the average play, no one protected the deep ball...safeties didnt hang back and stay back because we may go over the top. They could flood the short and intermediate zones during plays, and if it happened to be a run, thats fine, because in 3-5 steps...im there.
With Adrian Peterson as our running back we wouldnt have broken off any monster runs or been a great running team because space would be limited.
Yes Trent missed holes, and yes he ran into defense or away from where his OL could keep defenders off of him, but if you watch the games...even if he hit the hole relatively well, 3-5 yards downfield he is going down. Of course it would be better, but I dont see it as something that would move the chains.
Hardesty did run pretty well last year, and for my eyes, OGB outran TRich in his limited carries this year. AND last year...but the rushing lanes werent ideal for those guys either because we had no deep threat. Yes Gordon helped, but one deep threat and a bunch of guys that couldnt exploit the matchups or zones hurt.
Youre saying TRich was the biggest fault of our running game, and thats fine...I'm not arguing that he did not do a very good job. But i think a bigger culprit was our inability to exploit what selling out against the run leaves open. Whether teams put 8-9 in the box against us matters less than the fact that teams sold out against the run against us. Because when you do that, your LBs and DBs hang around the short/intermediate zones...because that is where the rest of our offense was run. We didnt or couldnt effectively get deep. What does it hurt a defense if one CB stays with a WR going deep that the QB cant get the ball there, or he cant get open from that one DB.
If you dont think that gets in the way of a solid running game...then maybe you should turn the volume back up on that TV because there are guys that played, breaking down what is happening before our eyes...
When you see the Ravens game...as a great example, the things I pointed out, were in the pass game. There were at least 4 plays where the color guy looked at a replay and circled 4 single covered receivers NOT open...the other 7 defenders were on the LOS...those were all pass plays, now take those 4 pass catchers and put them in a place where they are run blocking and now those 4 defenders that were downfield, join the LOS and you have less space to run.
Now watch the Cincy game...We get open guys, we hit them...now the LBs play back off the LOS, and watch what McGahee did to them in the 4th quarter...its not necessarily because McGahee hit the holes better (though he absolutely did) but when he got to the hole...there wasnt 2 LBs and a safety waiting on the other side, they had much more distance to cover, because if not, we were throwing passes into those spaces and picking up large chunks of yards.
A good pass game can help a run game. Something that until last week against Cincy, hasnt happened here in a long time. Nothing consistent enough to make a defense play honest. This past game we actually did...and did consistently, and that opened room for McGahee...shocking...and to my point.
"It has to start somewhere
It has to start somehow
What better place than here?
What better time than now?"
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