DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Weeden on what he learned from sideline: "Don't get hurt"

It would be nice to hear the context of the quotes and the leading questions, but does anyone else think he's starting to sound like a malcontent?

Just my opinion, but he's always appeared to have the body language of a loser. He sounds like a loser. He's never exhibited any leadership skills as far as I can see. He's football dumb.

If it were up to me, I'd get rid of the guy ASAP, but I don't think he has any trade value.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/09/cleveland_browns_brandon_weede_27.html

BEREA, Ohio -- Browns quarterback Brandon Weeden didn't mince words when asked what he learned while standing on the sidelines while Brian Hoyer defeated the Vikings, 31-27 last week.

"Don't get hurt,'' said Weeden, who's been ruled out for the Bengals game with his sprained thumb. "I don't know how else to put it. Injuries suck. They happen. Things happen for a reason and we'll see how it plays out.''

Weeden seems to know that he might've lost his starting job due to injury, depending on how Hoyer continues to play.

He acknowledged that Hoyer, who will make his third career start Sunday and second for the Browns, "played really well'' against the Vikings. Overcoming three interceptions, Hoyer engineered a last-minute gamewinning touchdown pass to Jordan Cameron.

"He took advantage of the opportunities that are in front of them,'' said Weeden, who threw a football for the first time Friday since spraining the thumb in week two against Baltimore. "I think as a whole, offensively, I thought we played really well. Obviously, having Josh (Gordon) back it was nice for Brian. That's a big weapon for him. But I thought he played real well."

He noted that it would've been nice for him to have Gordon in the first two games, when the Browns struggled offensively and scored a total of 16 points in their two losses.

"You're over there and it's nice seeing Josh out there, first of all,'' he said. "It's nice having him as an offensive weapon. He's just a huge asset for this offense and the passing game, so, yeah, it's nice being out there with 12. Other guys made plays, Jordan Cameron had a huge game. We played well offensively, did a lot of really good things."

Weeden, who didn't get much help from his receivers the first two games, expected a monster game from Gordon, who caught 10 passes for 146 yards, including a 47-yard TD.

"Absolutely,'' said Weeden. "He was playing with a lot of weight on his shoulders because he missed the first two weeks and he had a lot to prove and we saw it in training camp. We saw it in preseason. We knew he was going to make plays and maybe that was the spark we needed. Hopefully we can keep going and what's it all about is winning games and if he can help us continue to win games, shoot, I'll be all for it.''

Weeden knows that he's not guaranteed his starting job when he's 100% healthy, which could be as early as next week.

"You know, at this point where we're at, that's out of my control,'' he said. "My focus is making sure this thumb continues to make the steps that allow me to get back and be 100 percent. There's no reason to rush back and get to where I'm not completely healthy, so my main goal is getting healthy and whenever I am, than I'll sit down with Chud and we'll go from there."

Chudzinski said he talked to Weeden and explained the situation -- that he'll evaluate the quarterback situation on a week-to-week basis and play whoever gives him the best chance to win.

But Weeden said, "We really haven't talked about it. My main focus, our main focus is me getting healthy and once I get healthy then we can cross that bridge when we get to it."

On Thursday, offensive coordinator Norv Turner said he's not concerned that folks might think Weeden would've fared better with Gordon in the lineup.

“None of that matters to me in terms of the way people perceive it,'' said Turner. "Brian's playing right now. We’re getting him ready to go play and do the best he can do and give ourselves a chance to win. The great thing, obviously, and the thing that has everyone excited is when you go win a game in the last two minutes of the game. You score with 50 seconds left – that’s exciting. Those are traits you want in a quarterback.”

Weeden said he hated standing on the sidelines in Minnesota.

"It's terrible,'' he said. "I've never done it before. I felt like a duck out of water. In pregame warmup, it was a unique feeling. I've never felt it, honestly ever in any sport. It's frustrating. As a competitive guy and a guy that wants to be out there and even though the points and all those things we were getting into a rhythm offensively and go on the road, it sucks. It's not how you draw it up just because as a competitor I want to be out there.''

He said he's not exacty sure when he'll be ready to play.

"I'm still playing it day by day, test this thing and keep pushing it and whenever Chud and the staff is ready for me to go, I'll be ready to go,'' he said. ."

He said he was able to grip the football on Friday the way he hoped to. He started Thursday by throwing a softball and baseball.

"Yeah, it felt great,'' he said. "Everything again has been above and beyond what I was hoping and it's getting there. It's definitely ahead of the curve. If I can grip it, it doesn't hurt, so it's getting better.''

He said the medical staff, including Cleveland Clinic hand specialist Dr. Thomas Graham, originally thought the injury might be worse.

"They were expecting a little bit more of a setback, but everything up to this point has been great,'' he said. "It was a legit injury and I healed faster than maybe they originally thought that I was."

He's mostly out of the brace, but still wears it at night when he sleeps.

"I think the worst part is, you go out in public and people want to shake your hand,'' he said. "That's probably the most painful thing. So if I ever go see a movie or something, I definitely wear it there. But just really to keep from banging it. It's been in a brace for 10 days now, so it's healed and I just want to keep progressing and getting better.''

If Weeden does return to the lineup, he'll also benefit from having Gordon, who caught 10 passes for 146 yards, including a 47-yard TD.

"The guy's got all the ability in the world,'' said Weeden. "I see it every day and he has the ability to create a lot of mismatches. Even when you double him and throw a safety over the top, he still has the ability to go in there and make plays. He did it last week, and he'll continue to do it. Again, the confidence level in that guy is through the roof around here and if we can get a couple more out of him like we did last Sunday, this offense has a chance to be pretty special.''

And Weeden is hoping for a chance to be special right along with it.

Instead of just being a man and toeing the company line, he has to throw out every cry baby line and excuse in the book. However valid they might be, you just can't say this stuff. He is as good as gone.

his lesson should be....

"Don't Suck"

j/c

Weeden definitely sounds angry (as I probably would be too) but I hate the fact that he blatantly is using Josh Gordon as the main reason Hoyer succeeded and he didn't.

I thought Weeden was supposed to be old and mature? psh.

I don't think he's our qb, but outside of maybe the "don't get hurt crack", I don't see where he was out of line or whining with his comments. Some serious hate going on here.

Can't say what stuff?

Sounded like a normal, honest interview to me.

Definitely comes across as a cry baby to me. I don't think we beat Minny with him. We should have beat baltimore. Him not being able to hit a wide open Oby was enough for me to tell where he is as a pro. Another good practice player that can't handle pressure.

Just the confidence that Hoyer displayed, IMO, made Weeden look more and more like a bust. He was in charge, and the players on the field have acknowledged it. I have never heard any of them comment on Weeden's leadership. IMO, he sees the writing on the wall, and the comments Norv made hace convinced me even more that Weeden is done as the starter.

Leaders don't try and make excuses for their failures. And that's all Weeden's done since he got here. There's always an excuse, and always someone else to blame.

Could you imagine a scenario where a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning would say something to the effect of 'Well, I might've played better if I had X'?

I don't dislike the guy. It's not his fault Holmgren made a boneheaded pick. But he's not a leader. He's a loser. You can see it in his body language. You can hear it in his comments. I've never seen any indication that his teammates rally around him or take cues from him. He looks completely lost on the field.

Getting caught under the flag last year is a pretty good summation of his NFL career to date.

I don't know if it's him being a malcontent.. But he certainly knows that his job is on the line and he doesn't appear to like that. Then again, who would?

I would think that if Hoyer shows up again, INT's or not and we either win or make it fun to watch (which the game against the Vikes was) I think it's Hoyers job for this year.

At this point, I don't think that Weeden can do what Hoyer can. Why bother putting him back in. But, the Cinci D is better than the Vikes. This should be a really good test.

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without Gordon's 10 catches for 146 yards, and his 20 yard run (or whatever the big run was) we don't even come close to winning the Vikings game either.

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Somebody else would have been on the field, it's not like if Gordon wasn't there, none of that would have happened...

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We also had 2 big plays on special teams that led to a score, and without those 2 big plays, we aren't in position to win late.

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Gadget plays work when the other team is on its heels and not sure what to expect. At no point in the first two games did I ever feel like we had the other team on its heels.

With Gordon or without Gordon, our first round pick in his second year can't separate himself from an UDFA who is with his 4th team in 4 years and just thankful to have a roster spot? Keeping in mind that if Weeden is replaced, it's not just what they saw in 2 games without Gordon verses 1 or 2 games with Gordon, it's what they saw in preseason, it's what they saw in camp, it's what they see in practice... If Chud really is contemplating turning the job over to Hoyer, it's because of more than 1 game.

With that, I don't have a big problem with what Weeden said but it does come across as somewhat, "Woe is me, I can't catch a break".....

Didn't he have to quit baseball because he got injured too much? Shouldn't he have learned this a long time ago?

Yeah, because you can control a guy getting shoved into your throwing hand as you are in the middle of a pass.

Geesh.

Weeden quit baseball because he stunk. He never got above A ball with a career ERA over five.

j/c

I love all the excuses. The vikings d is bad. Gordon made the o. Weeden didn't have Gordon.

At the end of the day, our 3rd string qb brought excitement to the game. That's something I can't say about Weeden.....in his 2 games this year, or his 15 games last year.

Hoyer............as bad as this sounds...............made throws I havent seen out of a Cleveland qb in recent history (last year)

Hoyer is NOT the answer, but I'd sure rather watch him throw it downfield than watch Weeden stare down a receiver, pat the ball.......and chuck it.

I was fully in on the "give weeden a second year".......yet in his first 2 games, I saw nothing. Inaccurate, bad reads, indecision..........and when our 3rd string qb, with NO running game - put up 3 int's as well as 3 td's..........I was in to the game.

With weeden at qb.............well, let's just say if we're down by 3, I kind of felt like the game was over.

Weeden is seeing the writing on the wall. He can play up his injury......he can play up Gordon returning............what he struggles with is playing the game.

He was inaccurate in college. He is now. His "strong arm" has gotten him no where in the nfl. His decision making reminds me of me, at a Japanese steakhouse, when it's time to order. "I just don't know."

Who cares? I don't see either of them being the answer.

Week 1 was not weeden. The OL sucked, the coaches sucked, the receivers sucked but Weeden didnt do a damn thing to make any of it better. Not playing the starters in the final preseason game hurt the offense. No Lava killed us though.

Week 2, Weeden's mental game slowed down even more and if he does anything we win this game easily. They can say receivers werent gaining separation but I saw a lot of guys with a step and Weeden held the ball to long.

Week 3 Hoyer was very DA like in having made up his mind quickly to where the ball should go. The 2nd half they mixed up the coverages and the pressure began getting to get to Hoyer but then he found a way to get it done. Getting it done in the final moments is just something we havent seen much of since Couch.

I see Weeden as a solid backup QB for us. He hasnt played well enough to create the least bit of controversy. Hoyer imho looks like another backup as well but he makes quick decisions and he doesnt play bug eyed with fear. I dont really see the tremendous accuracy the announcers were talking about but he didnt get a chance to work with these receivers all that much either as he was the #3 QB in camp.

Anyway if you cant move up for Bridgewater (which aint gonna happen), trade for Mallett if Hoyer doesnt cut it. There are some intriguing QBs but noone i would give a first round grade right now besides Bridgewater, I do like the kid from Bama however. Kid is mentally tough.

Umm, they're not excuses. They're facts. The Vikings D is HORRIBLE, and Gordon did make the O. It is also fact that Weeden didn't have Gordon.

Last year you seemed pretty solid on Boyd in the first this year. What has happened this season to change your mind?

Considering you pegged Manuel before Geno I tend to listen to your opinions

Boyd really just hasnt won me over enough as a game changer. I want to see him be the guy and not just a guy with the potential to be thee guy. I like the kid a lot but I am waiting to be wowed.

Right now I have a big clump of QBs in that early 2nd range that need to separate themselves. Mariota from Oregon could be this years RG3 that just skyrockets up to the #1 or #2 by the time it is over. I just want to see what he can do against a good defense. Same can be said with Hundley. Everyone looks great when your receivers have a 5 yard cushion and you have all day to make a throw lol.

These guys are being pimped and they just havent really shown much. Johny Football has probably made more NFL throws than all 5 of the top guys put together. He is a punk but part of me says the Browns need an ass like that for offense.

It amazes me how many people love Weeden on this board.

It would have been nice if Weeden learned the value of throwing the ball on time and accurately. Of course, those things do not matter.

He talks about how Gordon and the other guys making Hoyer look good. Why didn't Weeden look good last year?

The guy is a loser. The sooner he is gone, the better.

"Gameplanning for T-Rich" consisted of covering our WRs with single man coverage and stacking 8 in the box. Gordon had as much offensive output in one game as T Rich has had this season.

I don't believe there is any "love for Weeden".

I don't feel anyone sees Weeden as the answer as our long term solution at the QB position.

However, there are certain facts that are being brought out about the Minny game.

Minny is bay FAR the worst D we played against and our #1 O weapon came back.

That doesn't make Weeden a better QB. What it does do is show that Hoyer very likely isn't as good as some try to make it appear.

So I believe what most are trying to convey is that Hoyer isn't as great or accurate as some media and fans claim he is.

None of what has been posted as far as I can see, are making any excuses for Weedens weaknesses.

Guess that was after the muff by Benjamin... my bad

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Instead of just being a man and toeing the company line, he has to throw out every cry baby line and excuse in the book.

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A good example of what I said a couple of weeks ago when I commented that he talks too much. He talks too much and some of his comments are out of whack and sound stupid...

"I think the worst part is, you go out in public and people want to shake your hand,'' he said. "That's probably the most painful thing." Really, that's the worst part?