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Put the name Manning where the name Weeden is and people are basically just getting a chuckle out of the "Don't get hurt" comment.
Manning would've never whined like that. Manning would've never cited the lack of a WR as an excuse for his failures.
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Put the name Manning where the name Weeden is and people are basically just getting a chuckle out of the "Don't get hurt" comment.
Manning would've never whined like that. Manning would've never cited the lack of a WR as an excuse for his failures.
yeah, he would have whined and pointed to "protection issues" or "that idiot kicker"
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I love how you act like it's an agenda rather than just plain old facts. OK bro
The day Brian Hoyer starts playing poorly, I'll call it out, just like I'll call out any player playing poorly. I contrary to popular opinion thought Mingo got stonewalled a lot against the Bengals, he had some flash plays but looked over matched against those tackles.
You going to tell me I have an agenda on that?
Brandon Weeden had been horrible and his comments are gutless. It is what it is, you say people see what they want to see? Look in the mirror.
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There was nothing whiney or childish about what Weeden said in this article. Put the name Manning where the name Weeden is and people are basically just getting a chuckle out of the "Don't get hurt" comment.
And if Abe Lincoln had lied he wouldn't have been Abe Lincoln... see that's the problem, I can't imagine Manning saying those things.... You are correct in one thing though, if Manning HAD said those things, he would have been given a little more benefit of the doubt because he's earned it and he would not be in fear of an UDFA taking his job.
It does appear, in this more recent article, that Weeden is in a better frame of mind... good for him.
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When you read stuff like that from a player you can take it a couple of ways, but unless you see them as they say it, it's easy to misread what the meant. Like when Weeden said he learned not to get hurt. I didn't SEE him say it, so he might have been laughing when he said it, I really don't know. And if he was, that kinda shows me a sense of humor and a little humble.
I find it more interesting what Thomas had to see about the situation with Hoyer. It sure as heck sounds as if the team is standing by him in a very positive way.
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I find it more interesting what Thomas had to see about the situation with Hoyer. It sure as heck sounds as if the team is standing by him in a very positive way.
I agree.. put that with what DQ has said about Hoyer and it really appears that the veteran leadership on this team is behind Hoyer and believe in him... not that they didn't play hard for Weeden but they seem to have more confidence in Hoyer at this point.
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I find it more interesting what Thomas had to see about the situation with Hoyer. It sure as heck sounds as if the team is standing by him in a very positive way.
I agree.. put that with what DQ has said about Hoyer and it really appears that the veteran leadership on this team is behind Hoyer and believe in him... not that they didn't play hard for Weeden but they seem to have more confidence in Hoyer at this point.
I think the Key is the "confidence" they are showing in Hoyer. It seems as if he's (hoyer) looked at as a leader. Something this team sorely needed.
I wanted to see Weeden succeed. Actually, I want to see everyone that plays for the Browns succeed, but in all honesty, He wasn't.
And if Hoyer doesn't succeed in the long run, then bring in the next candidate. and keep doing it until you find the one you want..
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Players aren't as complicated as us fans are. Players want to keep their jobs. They are very well paid. They keep their jobs by winning. If someone at another position, any position, helps them win games, that's all good.
Sometimes the QB spot gets more attention, and sometimes players have friendships that make it more difficult if a player loses his job, but in the end, players know that they need to win to keep their highly paid jobs ... plus ..... winning feels pretty good too.
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I find it more interesting what Thomas had to see about the situation with Hoyer. It sure as heck sounds as if the team is standing by him in a very positive way.
I agree.. put that with what DQ has said about Hoyer and it really appears that the veteran leadership on this team is behind Hoyer and believe in him... not that they didn't play hard for Weeden but they seem to have more confidence in Hoyer at this point.
they are behind Hoyer. Not 100 percent sold on him just yet but really behind them, and he is winning them over. Do I have a link ..... hell no but I do know for a fact that they prefer him to Weeden. hell yes.
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I would imagine they do.. his quick release is making the OL look better... his accuracy is making his receivers look better... his sustained drives are making the defense look better... I would want to play with the guy that makes me look better... if that's possible.  Oh.. and we're winning, which makes millions of fans feel better.
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they are behind Hoyer. Not 100 percent sold on him just yet but really behind them, and he is winning them over. Do I have a link ..... hell no but I do know for a fact that they prefer him to Weeden. hell yes.
I love when you give us insider stuff. I remember back in the day when I heard a few things.......your proclamations were always true. I don't have any insider knowledge now, so I think it's cool as heck when you share stuff like that. 
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Not 100 percent sold on him just yet
Okay, I know I'm not the brightest bulb in the box, but what does that mean? How do you stand behind someone, yet not be 100% for that person? Is it issues with reading the D or what? What do they want? to be at 100%?
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any guy that started the season as a backup and is now a starter is in an evaluation process. doesn't matter who it is or what position.
gotta see how they react to initially being thrown in the deep end. then they have to see how they will react when the sharks figure out where they usually swim to.
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any guy that started the season as a backup and is now a starter is in an evaluation process. doesn't matter who it is or what position.
gotta see how they react to initially being thrown in the deep end. then they have to see how they will react when the sharks figure out where they usually swim to.
anyone not named mingo is in an evaluation process.
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I guess it's Weedens chance to step up and prove he is the guy. Hopefully now he'll prove he is the starter he wants to be.
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I guess it's Weedens chance to step up and prove he is the guy. Hopefully now he'll prove he is the starter he wants to be.
I hope you are right, but I seriously doubt it. Hoyer makes decisions fast and Weeden does not. The O-line and receivers look very good when Hoyer was in there and only adequate (at best) when Weeden's in there.
My untrained eye sees Weeden as a QB that is waiting for guys to get open. This usually doesn't work in the NFL. He had a couple nice throws but the toss in the endzone to Cameron in the 3rd qtr is a perfect example of him waiting too long to make the throw.
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I dont believe he can, but I can hope because I want to win.
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If I'm Norv I'd drill Weeden everyday at practice, all practice, exclusively working on getting the ball out in less than 3 seconds. With Phil Taylor waiting to punch him in the gut every time the stopwatch hits 2.9 seconds. That'd instil an internal clock! Or a bleeding liver.
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Weeden has a lot of "Big Ben" in him in that he never wants to give up on a play, problem is that he is not Big Ben, he's not as strong and he's not elusive at all...
I'm sure our OL is tired of hearing it. Hoyer has been sacked 6 times in 96 attempts (1 per 16 attempts), Weeden has been sacked 16 times in 110 attempts (1 per 6.9 attempts)..... so if you look at the other 34 NFL QBs with more than 50 attempts, Hoyer is 12th and Weeden is 33rd in sack frequency.. and it's the same OL...
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Weeden has a lot of "Big Ben" in him in that he never wants to give up on a play, problem is that he is not Big Ben, he's not as strong and he's not elusive at all...
Finally someone else sees it too. This was my first comparison for Weeden as a prospect, though his toughness is catching up and improving. Roethli without the escapability. Not sure how much such a player is "worth", but my thought process was that put behind a good pass blocking OL like ours, he could succeed. Yesterday after the first couple of drives he was that player again. Under Shurmur and watching Hoyer this season somehow put him into "over-thinking" mode and he tried to do stuff he wasn't good at to prove people wrong to become that "complete fQB", but he hasn't even established his game yet, so he put the cart before the horse so to say. Gordon said it best in his post game interview when he encouraged Weeden just "to wing it". That's his game, always has been. Recognize a 1on1 somewhere and air it out. That was the reason I wanted us to draft him, because he embodied everything McCoy didn't do at the time
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to be honest thats what i'd like to see weeden become..be a gunslinger, yeah youre going to make some bad throws and maybe some picks, but we have some big targets that can help bail you out. Much like 2007. Though i think gordon/cameron are better than winslow/edwards. Bess maybe a little behind JJ but still a good target. Just throw the ball, don't second guess your read, which i think is his issue. Though alot of the replays last night on sacks showed everyone was covered, and a couple where gordon just half-assed it in his route.
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If I'm Norv I'd drill Weeden everyday at practice, all practice, exclusively working on getting the ball out in less than 3 seconds. With Phil Taylor waiting to punch him in the gut every time the stopwatch hits 2.9 seconds. That'd instil an internal clock! Or a bleeding liver.
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I dont believe he can, but I can hope because I want to win.
Well, I hope he does well enough that some team decides that he's worth giving up a 2nd round pick for before next year's draft.
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Did you happen to see the interview with Josh Gordon after the game? He said that he spoke to Weeden about just letting the ball fly and allowing them to go up and get the ball. You saw Little and Gordon catch nice passes on that quick scoring drive afterward.
Maybe they can drill it into him that not every receiver has to be 'wide open' when he releases the ball. That they're willing to go up and get the ball if they have to.
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to be honest thats what i'd like to see weeden become..be a gunslinger, yeah youre going to make some bad throws and maybe some picks, but we have some big targets that can help bail you out. Much like 2007. Though i think gordon/cameron are better than winslow/edwards. Bess maybe a little behind JJ but still a good target. Just throw the ball, don't second guess your read, which i think is his issue. Though alot of the replays last night on sacks showed everyone was covered, and a couple where gordon just half-assed it in his route.
Well, that's what Gordon said that he told Weeden in an on-field interview after the game.
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Weeden has a lot of "Big Ben" in him in that he never wants to give up on a play, problem is that he is not Big Ben, he's not as strong and he's not elusive at all...
Finally someone else sees it too. This was my first comparison for Weeden as a prospect, though his toughness is catching up and improving. Roethli without the escapability. Not sure how much such a player is "worth", but my thought process was that put behind a good pass blocking OL like ours, he could succeed. Yesterday after the first couple of drives he was that player again. Under Shurmur and watching Hoyer this season somehow put him into "over-thinking" mode and he tried to do stuff he wasn't good at to prove people wrong to become that "complete fQB", but he hasn't even established his game yet, so he put the cart before the horse so to say. Gordon said it best in his post game interview when he encouraged Weeden just "to wing it". That's his game, always has been. Recognize a 1on1 somewhere and air it out. That was the reason I wanted us to draft him, because he embodied everything McCoy didn't do at the time
I can buy that.
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As I see it, Weeden has 2 choices... he can be a gunslinger the rest of the year and yes, he may end the season with 18-20 INTs but we will be fun (and frustrating) to watch but we will score points... or he can be what he has been and try to not throw INTs and finish the season with 40-45 sacks and we will only really be frustrating to watch and our OL will get even more criticism...
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Or C, learn to throw the ball away if he his options aren't open, thus not losing important ground on a sack.
I still don't understand how he thinks he can just sit back there for 5+ seconds to throw. It's almost mind boggling.
you had a good run Hank.
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In the second scenario, he'd be lucky to even finish the season.
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I still don't understand how he thinks he can just sit back there for 5+ seconds to throw. It's almost mind boggling.
I know you don't want to mess with your guy's confidence, but how are his lineman (or coaches) not pointing this out to him on every play?
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I still don't understand how he thinks he can just sit back there for 5+ seconds to throw. It's almost mind boggling.
It is, it's like the internal clock he has in his head just stops and he has no concept of time.
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I still don't understand how he thinks he can just sit back there for 5+ seconds to throw. It's almost mind boggling.
I know you don't want to mess with your guy's confidence, but how are his lineman (or coaches) not pointing this out to him on every play?
I wonder what its like in the huddle after guys have a couple steps, the line gives him 3 seconds, and he still takes a sack.
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Weeden said all the right things after the game. When the NFL Network crew asked him what he learned from Hoyer, he said to get rid of the ball quick. He also made several other spot-on comments.
Weeden played okay at times last night. He made some good throws. He tried to act like he was pumped up at times. That was nice to see. However, my daughter made the observation that his teammates don't seem to like him. This was after the sideline shot where he was talking to the OL and Joe T was the only one to acknowledge him and he didn't exactly seem to want to. I think the team was really getting behind Hoyer. Maybe Weeden learned from Hoyer. Maybe not. We'll see.
I also don't get the Big Ben comparison. I really don't. They both hold the ball too long, but Ben makes plays out of nothing. He does it all the time. He is mentally tough and excellent in the clutch. Weeden is none of those things.
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I still don't understand how he thinks he can just sit back there for 5+ seconds to throw. It's almost mind boggling.
It is, it's like the internal clock he has in his head just stops and he has no concept of time.
Today a guy on sports radio here in C-Bus said he must have a sun-dial for a watch . . .
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I still don't understand how he thinks he can just sit back there for 5+ seconds to throw. It's almost mind boggling.
It is, it's like the internal clock he has in his head just stops and he has no concept of time.
And... loves to stand flat footed in the same spot for the entire 5+ secs
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Doubt from Browns fans 'lights a fire' in Brandon Weeden
BEREA, Ohio – Brandon Weeden has heard the Cleveland sports talk radio chatter insisting he is the Browns quarterback of the present – until next April when the team drafts its future face of the franchise.
This is the latest the reinvigorated 3-2 Browns have been in first place since 1995.
How long they remain atop the AFC North – where they are tied with the Baltimore Ravens and Cincinnati Bengals – hinges on Weeden.
The quarterback drafted 22nd overall in 2012 was sidelined by a sprained thumb after Cleveland's 0-2 start but has come full circle as Sunday's starter against the Detroit Lions.
Questions linger whether Weeden can disprove his many doubters who insist the Browns' postseason hopes disappeared with quick-firing sparkplug Brian Hoyer. After leading the Browns to two straight wins, the Cleveland native suffered a season-ending torn anterior cruciate ligament early in last Thursday night's 37-24 win over the Buffalo Bills.
Weeden came off the bench and performed admirably. Now he's primed to silence his critics permanently.
"I've never really been in a situation where I've been doubted like this – and it lights a fire, motivates me to get into this building before anybody, study at night aore than anybody because I want to prove everybody wrong,'' Weeden told USA TODAY Sports on Wednesday. "I want to prove to everybody that I can be the guy to lead this franchise to the places we want to go.
"If I'm worried about making mistakes, I'm making it harder on myself. So I just want to go out, have fun, just let it rip, and try to make the plays to help this team win. I have confidence in my ability and in everybody on this football team. So when I do it, hopefully, everybody will come back and say, 'I can't believe we doubted him.'''
Browns fans have doubts about Weeden's ability to ditch the methodical minor league pitcher still ticking within.
"I hope Brandon proves me wrong,'' said long-time Browns fan Breanna Makowski, 33. "If he can give us a reason to be hopeful, that would be great. Brian Hoyer came in and gave us reason to hope. It's hard to be hopeful when you get crushed every time as a Browns fan.
"Brandon's been too slow to get rid of the ball. Hopefully, he learned from watching Brian.''
Makowski sounds a lot like Browns coach Rob Chudzinski, who insisted Wednesday the ball must come out quicker than the 4.3 seconds Weeden has averaged on his release.
"It's just a point of emphasis. It's something that he'll work on, and I think he'll get better at,'' Chudzinski said.
Drafted in the 2002 second round by the New York Yankees, Weeden chases the biggest save of his crossover career – proving he can be the closer the Browns thought they had in Hoyer over this season's last 11 games.
Weeden learned first hand about closing from Yankees icon Mariano Rivera, whom Weeden met in 2002 when the legendary reliever was on a three-game shoulder rehabilitation stint in the Gulf Coast League.
"Mariano hung out, would tell stories – one of the most gracious guys I've ever met,'' Weeden said. "He taught us how to come to work each and every day.''
Did Weeden learn anything from Rivera about the mindset it takes to close?
"A little bit,'' he said. "My last year in baseball, I was a reliever. I was a starter my first four years. It's a lot different mindset.''
Weeden, who turns 30 on Oct. 14, knows he's on the clock to make the most of this second chance.
"There's times when I can get the ball out quicker, take the pressure off the guys up front,'' he says. "Ninety percent of my focus today in practice was one hitch and getting the ball out quick.''
When Weeden came off the bench against Buffalo, the Browns were down 7-0. It took him some time and a pep talk from running back Willis McGahee to shake off the rust of not practicing in nearly three weeks.
"We were already behind, we were like, 'Just relax, calm down, everything will be all right, we're here for you,''' McGahee said. "He completed some balls that were big for us. From what I've seen, he's the guy.''
Weeden just has to be that guy who continues to trust in his playmakers, especially emerging third-year tight end Jordan Cameron and second-year receiver Josh Gordon, whom Weeden hit for a perfect 37-yard touchdown strike against Buffalo.
"I didn't have a tight end at Oklahoma State so having a guy like Jordan has helped for sure,'' Weeden said. "Jordan and Josh, they definitely make a quarterback's life easier. They're guys who create a lot of mismatches. They're guys who are bigger target guys who can really go get the football.
"When you have two guys like that, especially a tight end and Josh puts a lot of stress on cornerbacks, having two guys like that along with the rest of the guys we have, we have some weapons. It's fun playing quarterback when you have guys like that.
"I go on-line and research and look back at the history of the Cleveland Browns. They've been heartbroken so many times -- John Elway and The Drive (1986 AFC Championship game). I went to the Firestone golf tournament. Fans were saying, 'Take us to the playoffs. Playoffs, baby.'
"They're great fans here.''
They're dying for a quarterback who can lead them to the postseason for the first time since 2002.
"My family is in town, and we went out to dinner both nights (this weekend),'' Weeden said. "People were excited. The town is just lit up, it's excited. Rightly so, we've won a few games in a row here. It's fun getting the perspective of the fans."
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2. If you answered yes to the first question, do you think he throws multiple picks or do you think he plays great and leads us to a win?
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2. If you answered yes to the first question, do you think he throws multiple picks or do you think he plays great and leads us to a win
yea to both. quicker yes. good enough to win? yes. great no, multiple picks no.
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Good read Vers. I have my doubts about Weeden and will continue to do so until he proves me wrong.
To all you Dawgs who have NFL Network, see if you can watch Playbook AFC. They did a comparison of what Weeden does and what Hoyer did. I consider myself to be very objective about this issue, but, man, the difference was eye-opening.
Weeden missed a lot of open receivers by either not recognizing, hesitating, or refusing to throw to receivers as they break into the second part of their routes (eg turning into a post pattern). This leads to the sack in an otherwise clean pocket. It's also something I didn't notice from only being able to view Weeden standing in the pocket.
Then they show Hoyer throwing his touchdown to Cameron on the corner fade against the Vikings. Jared Allen is coming at him uninhibited. Cameron isn't looking back yet at all. Hoyer steps up and delivers the corner fade with touch which basically "throws Cameron open." Beautiful play on his part.
Now I'm not sure whether this is a situation where Hoyer was afforded a luxury of learning these things over time and Brandon was thrown to the wolves, but Brandon absolutely MUST improve his game in this area.
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Two questions:
1. Do you think he gets the ball out quicker this game?
2. If you answered yes to the first question, do you think he throws multiple picks or do you think he plays great and leads us to a win?
1. Yes -- at least in the first half. Perhaps he reverts to Old Weeden in the second half.
2. First half: Picks. Incompletions. Sailing the ball over guys heads. Second half: sack city.
Hope he proves me wrong. So far, he's only proven I can have little faith in his "ability".
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I don't think there is any doubt, after what Weeden has been told for the last 10 days, that he'll get the ball out quicker.
But I have no idea if that's a good or bad thing. Like I've said before, I think Weeden does a decent job of reading coverages, he just doesn't know how to trust his receivers.
I think it'd be very smart to start with a very simple set of plays at first, ones that require timing but are low risk. A couple of short slants to Bess and Gordon. Maybe an in route from Cameron.
Then start working on the more complicated stuff.
I have a feeling that we could see DA pt 2 Sunday. There is no doubt in my mind, though, that this game will make or break Weeden's career in the NFL. If he comes out and misses receivers and is overthrowing guys, or worse he keeps holding onto the ball, we can kiss the division and more importantly, the playoffs goodbye. But there is always that small chance that he puts it together and we get magic in a bottle, Flacco in the playoffs style.
I'm cautiously optimistic about Sunday. But I understand the potential to be a nuclear type Sunday, too.
you had a good run Hank.
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