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No. Here let me help you. . . . what you wrote is ""Nah guys........Weeden isn't the problem, it's everyone who thinks--that he struggles reading coverages, has the playbook dummied down for him, struggles w/the mental part of the game, etc---who is wrong.""
LOL........your reading comprehension is the problem, tough guy. But, keep talking real tough. Odds are that I will get scared and submit to your terrifying presence.
That's a really odd thing to say. I've no idea what you're trying to say. This is a forum board where people exchange opinions. Your's (from what I can see) are always about dismissing people and putting people down and writing in a way that is intended to be read that "You're right and anyone that disagrees is belittled" .... just like this response above.
To get back to the posts.
You wrote (I'll paraphrase") - there's people here who think Weeden is good and the problems he's had are because of the team around him are bad.
I wrote - show me a post.
You quoted a guy who was responding to something a steelers player said - he basically said it doesn't matter what a Steeler says - Browns players should ignore them.
I said - that wasn't what I asked for.
You - dodged the discussion and went a little surreal.
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There may be miles separating the two, but do you think that he will--or won't--make bad decisions if he gets rid of it quicker? In other words, do you think he can read coverages accurately while doing it quickly?
As was mentioned, sometimes holding the ball and giving D's more time to read you as a QB leads to Int's.
In his last game, there were some plays he released the ball quicker. Not a lot, but a few.
I haven't seen anything in his game to say he will be able to read the coverages and release the ball quicker in an accurate manner on any type of consistent basis.
I do however hope to see things I haven't seen. In the last game, he had zero Int's. and put up enough points to win. I'll take that, for now.
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Imagine how he looks if Weeden throws 4 TD passes against the Steelers
I really can't imagine that.
I feel sorry for your lack of hope and optimism. Do you approach the rest of your life with such a sad attitude?
You didn't read his essay did you?
I mean he's like the greatest Browns fan ever!
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Our "Soldjah" (K2) actually extended the hand of friendship/respect to him after he made those statements...
He sure did! Here's the "olive branch": (I couldn't find a Youtube clip)
http://www.dailymotion.com
Man.... that clip never gets old.....
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I love that too. Porter is in Vegas a lot. I saw him at the Palms once. I said to him 'hey, I'm a big fan. My favorite play of yours was when Winslow punked your ass! Remember that?' Then I ran like hell. LOL. That's not a true story except for the part about seeing him at the Palms. The rest of it is what I wish I had done. 
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I forgot that Hoyer was a backup in Pitt last year. That's a good point, and one I hadn't considered.
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I missed the essay ... if its on this thread I'll find it. thx
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Pathetic. That's all I have to say.
Pathetic.
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I trust you mean the defense and the officials too?
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Toader, My Dawg: a "one and done" question for you:
Despite Ryan Clark's comments, do you (as a fan/student of The Game first) see the Browns with any chance to reach the playoffs this year? With Weedz under center?
With Weedz under center?
No way.
He truly is turning into DA-Lite.
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I trust you mean the defense and the officials too?
I'm talking about the offense that couldn't get a first down, and a QB who threw the most inexcusable pass I have ever seen.
Stop defending him. He deserves to be cut, TOMORROW.
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Final comments .. Watching the Browns on Fox sucks , so do Weeden , so do this group of refs , ect..ect..ect ~
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This team played a great 1st half, then they played a lousy 2nd half.
Bengals take sole position of 1st place.
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This team played a great 1st half, then they played a lousy 2nd half.
Bengals take sole position of 1st place.
Still only one game back. 
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IMO Weeden needs to be traded or something needs to happen this week. Hopefully we can we sign someone else via free agency because if Weeden starts against the Packers I think I'm going to be sick. 
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LOL traded??? lol For what???
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This team played a great 1st half, then they played a lousy 2nd half.
Bengals take sole position of 1st place.
The team that played the first half of this game has the potential to make the playoffs.
The team that pooped the bed on both sides of the ball in the second half has no chance at anything but last place in the division.
Browns is the Browns
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I was hoping beyond hope that Weeden would show some improvement in this game. He is what we thought he was. Bring in Campbell to do what he's done his whole career and put this Weeden experiment to bed. That last INT is right up there with the butt fumble as far as qb blunders go.
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The one thing I'll give Weeden credit for is that he made smart plays in the red zone. Something he has struggled doing thus far in his career. Unfortunately, it was only in the first half. The second half performance of this team was deplorable, on all sides of the ball. Unfortunately for Weeden was driving the ball down the field late in the 4th quarter and he made a poorly (and obvious) chosen throw that ended in a pick, which sadly his MO . That's all on him.
Weeden's stats weren't horrible (300 yds, 2TDs, 2 INTs) but I bet no one was confident when he had the ball late in the game. My guess is the players didn't either, but who knows?
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Weeden's stats weren't horrible (300 yds, 2TDs, 2 INTs) but I bet no one was confident when he had the ball late in the game. My guess is the players didn't either, but who knows?
Bingo. It's obvious there is a lack of confidence in Weeden from the FO down to the players. Your point also proves that statistics can hide true performance on the field as well. Somebody will look at the stats and say that Weeden didn't perform horribly, but when you turn on the game and actually watch it; I can't see how anybody wouldn't get frustrated with what they see.
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IMO Weeden needs to be traded or something needs to happen this week. Hopefully we can we sign someone else via free agency because if Weeden starts against the Packers I think I'm going to be sick.
I told my wife that if Weeden is named the starter for next week's game, I will not watch it.
She said, "Well, you could go to the bar and watch it with the other fans."
I responded, "I just won't watch. Simple as that."
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This is why Weeden cannot be on the roster next week. At all. He shouldn't be activated if he's on the roster. There should be phone calls to ANY team willing to trade for him. The highest bidder can have his services and the Browns should be willing to pay his salary for this season.
It would be worth paying him to be on a different team.
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This is why Weeden cannot be on the roster next week
I think you probably had to much to drink.... 
Look Weedon sealed the deal for sure he did but this was the definition of a team lose. We had a 17-7 half time lead and then the defense allowed 24 points in the 2nd half.. We still have a lot of work to do, and the most disheartening thing is up until this week we had made steady progress....
But from jump I thought we would have some struggles in the 1st half of the season I guess this was one of those..
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'Browns not making switch at quarterback' http://sports.yahoo.com/news/browns-not-making-switch-quarterback-162706991--nfl.htmlBy TOM WITHERS (AP Sports Writer) 12 minutes ago AP - Sports CLEVELAND (AP) -- The Browns won't toss quarterback Brandon Weeden aside. Weeden, who threw an inexcusable, underhanded interception in the fourth quarter of Sunday's 31-17 loss to the Detroit Lions, will keep his job for at least one more week, coach Rob Chudzinski said Monday. With the Browns down just seven points, Weeden, trying to avoid a sack, flipped the ball toward fullback Chris Ogbonnaya near the sideline but it was picked off by linebacker DeAndre Levy, all but sealing Detroit's win. However, despite the gaffe, Chudzinski said he has no intentions to bench Weeden and plans to start him next Sunday in Green Bay. ''This was one game,'' Chudzinski said. ''I thought that Brandon played well in spurts and at times he obviously made critical mistakes. It's just not one guy.'' Chudzinski said he never discussed the possibility of making a switch to backup Jason Campbell. Chudzinski said there was plenty of blame to be shared as Cleveland had its three-game winning streak stopped. The Browns were outscored 24-0 in the second half. ''There are some things we need to fix,'' Chudzinski said. ''Obviously, we need to come out in the second half and play better. I think the energy is there, the emotion is there. We just have to come out and execute better in parts of the third quarter.'' Weeden returned to the starting lineup Sunday after Brian Hoyer sustained a season-ending knee injury. Chudzinski said Weeden's teammates have not lost confidence in him ''at all.'' Chudzinski said the team needs to work with Weeden on ''cutting out the critical mistakes.''
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From the above article: 'Chudzinski said Weeden's teammates have not lost confidence in him ''at all.''' Yea, right!  Most of the fans have however. I really don't want to see We Done start again, I'm just sick of watching him play. I don't even want to see him on the sidelines. I'm done with him. I know it wasn't all his fault that we lost to the Lions....But to me, he represents the "old Browns." I know Jason Campbell most likely isn't the answer, but at least he would be someone new to watch play.
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Chud is saving face and doing the right thing by his players. He has to.
If you read the comments about Hoyer from after the Vikings game, you knew then that the team, the players were done with Weeden.
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Chud is saving face and doing the right thing by his players. He has to.
If you read the comments about Hoyer from after the Vikings game, you knew then that the team, the players were done with Weeden.
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Chud is saving face and doing the right thing by his players. He has to.
If you read the comments about Hoyer from after the Vikings game, you knew then that the team, the players were done with Weeden.
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"You mean we don't have to black for 17 seconds per play?" - Offensive Line
"You mean we don't have to go back on the field immediately?" - Defense
"You mean we get the ball on time when we are open and we are thrown open?" - Wide Receivers
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Chudzinski said the team needs to work with Weeden on ''cutting out the critical mistakes.''
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Clever.
I think that Gordon probably likes both QBs. He went for 146 against the Vikings, 86 against the Bengals, 86 against Buffalo and 126 yesterday.
Little had only 3 catches for 19 yards with Hoyer in at QB. (unless there was a catch in Hoyers 2 pass completions before he got hurt)
Benjamin has 5 catches all years long, 4 of those from Weeden.
Bess did have his best game against the Vikings, and he started out strong with 5 catches in his 1st 2 games, but has trailed off since the Vikings game. he has had 2 catches in each game since the Bengals game.
Now Cameron is the guy who can make a case for being disappointed that Hoyer got hurt. He had a great game in week 1, with 9 catches for 108 yards and a TD .... but really flourished with hoyer on the field, picking up 16 catches for over 150 yards and 4 TDs in the 2 games started by Hoyer. He has had a solid and a so so game since, but nothing approaching his 1st game of the season, and not approaching the 2 started by Hoyer.
We beat up 2 bad defenses we played, those being Minnesota and Buffalo. We scored 31 against Minnesota, and they allow 31.6 on average. We scored 37 against Buffalo, and they allow an average of 26.2 points per game. (and we has a special teams and a defensive score in that game) Those really are 2 defenses we should have done well against, because they have really struggled this year. (and we did)
Anyway ... carry on.
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This statement is ridiculous considering Gordon had to wait for several of Hoyer's passes while Weeden hits him in stride continuously. Hoyer was better with Cameron. Weeden with Gordon. Different styles and preferences, but that is simply not true.
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No comment on Hoyer getting the ball to the receivers on time and Weeden getting the ball to the receivers. . . not on time.
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I really hesitated to make this comment, but here goes anyway. I hope this doesn't derail the thread away from indiscriminate Weeden hating (warranted though it is).
While I don't put an asterisk next to the Vikings win, they DO have a terrible pass defense. I mean, really really bad.
While I don't put an asterisk next to the Cinci game, they DID have a bunch of starters in their secondary out with injuries.
Buffalo doesn't have a great D, but they're not as bad as the Vikings.
Hoyer got to start against some pretty friendly defenses/situations. Cinci has an intimidating front, but their secondary was really hurting in our game. Despite that, I still like what Hoyer did, and he passes the eye test despite not getting very much preparation (because he started the season as QB3).
I think that's what Ytown and Django might be getting at (just my guess).
That said, what Hoyer did against whatever defense has nothing to do with Weeden. Weeden should continue starting so Weeden will either prove he's a fQB or a bum.
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Oober, when you boil down what your saying, it sounds like we shouldn't put all that much stock in Hoyers starts. And the funny thing is I don't think there were many, if any saying that Hoyer was the answer. At least not FOR SURE.....
There was a lot of hope expressed however. I was one that did that..
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