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Not yet. I am OK if he is, but coaching, reps, starts, experience — lots to do before we have us a christening, but a bucket or two of wins would help. 
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Well, we may be getting way ahead of ourselves. I am not even sure he is a starter.
Top 5?
Huh? I didn't get that from The Collector's post.
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I think that Hoyer is going to play it just like any other game.
I'm going to say it right now, I think we've found our franchise QB already.
I'll give some reasons why I think so and we can go from this.
1. We all know that Lombardi has liked the guy for quite some time. So, when he became available Lombardi went out and got him.
2. Look at the different style of play that you get in going from Weeden to Hoyer. The intelligence gap alone between the two QBs is perceptible on the field.
3. For the most part Browns fans wanted a QB that "fit" Chudzinski's vertical offense and most said that Weeden's strong arm was necessary for it. Hoyer's arm isn't nearly as strong but the coaching staff is game planning to Hoyer's strengths.
4. The team seems to believe that they can succeed with Hoyer at the helm. With Weeden on the team still, they're not going to say it, but just look at the results. The confidence of the team is rising and as fans, we feel it too. The team and fanbase is energized.
Personally, I think that Weeden was given the opportunity to start, not because the coaching staff thought that he was the best QB. I know it may sound ridiculous, but I think there was the sense among the fans that Weeden was entitled to the job. Very much the same reaction as we saw with the Trent Richardson trade would have occurred if the coaching staff had not gone with Weeden from the start of the season.
We all know it.
The coaching staff tossed in the towel to the fans on that one and seemed to have taken the first legitimate opportunity to get their man in the QB spot. Remember, he jumped over Campbell for the starting QB job. Hoyer is playing like the QB that they thought he was and we're 2-0 in those games and tied for first place in the AFC North after 4 games. When was the last time we could make that claim?
Even if Hoyer has a bad game here and there, I don't think he'll be replaced. The only thing that would cause Hoyer to lose the job at all is injury and he'll get it back when healthy.
Just my random thoughts on the matter.
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Hoyers deep ball didnt really look bad at all. I really dont think arm strength is going to be an issue to be honest.
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Cap.........are people really saying we are screwing up by winning? Man, I said from the start that we were NOT tanking the season. Got ridiculed for it. That is why I started the Tank This threads. I don't want to throw this thread off topic, but are they still fighting that fight?
It's just a local (Columbus) radio sports talk show I listen to on my way home from work. Fairly knowledgeable on sports and usually an entertaining listen. Not as good as they once were, they fired a guy over an off-hour tweet he sent about having to listen to Desmond Howard on ESPN. Tweet was a tad over the top and the station is affiliated with ESPN so ....
Anyway, the guy that they brought in is a Browns fan and he went off on the TRich trade, and is convinced that it was the signal that the team was tanking it. I forget how the front office worded it, but something about doing the trade and taking the pick "for the future." This radio guy took that comment as a directive from the front office that the team is supposed to tank the season. And he says the coaches are screwing up by winning.
Yesterday he wanted Browns fans to call in with thoughts on how good we could be if we still had Richardson. That's when I changed the station.
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I don't think that Hoyer's arm strength is going to be an issue either. I don't think that his arm strength (or McCoy's for that matter) were an issue.
The team is looking good and we're winning.
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While I am enjoying the 2 wins as much as the next guy I'll re-post here what I said in another thread.....
This situation is so similar to the Holcomb/Couch debate that I'm surprised it isn't mentioned more. The gist of that time period was that, in the end, neither guy was the "one".
Which is what I think will happen in the end here.
To think that anyone would say that we now have our "franchise" QB after 2 games, one of which was against a Minnesota team that is seriously bad, is the typical abused fan statement. I get it. We've been bad for so long it's nice to be good for a while.
Hoyer might be Rich Gannon - which would be nice. But he's not Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck. He's not a "franchise" guy. My yardstick of a franchise player would basically be that you would trade a #1 pick or more for the guy in a minute if he ever became available. Nobody is doing that for any of our QBs. Not now. Not in 6 months.
I hope to see several more wins out of this team. It's great to be happy at 4 o'clock on Sundays for a change. But I'm not deluding myself into thinking we're a Super Bowl contender just yet. But sniffing .500 would be a welcome change come December.
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I just wanted to add that Lombardi will look like a genius if Hoyer is good. He has been talking him up for years and now Hoyer has fallen into his lap. Kind of amazing.
And Bernie really said good things about him in preseason, and that's over and over again. I was surprised.
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Some thoughts on your initial reasons he isn't the guy: I think there are some reasons to believe he isn't the guy: --Where was he drafted? Heck, was he drafted? Where was Tom Brady Drafted --How many years has he been a back-up? Don't know the years, but behind Ben and Brady,, almost anyone is a back up --Hasn't he been let go by two teams? Yes, but not sure what that proves. Look who the starters were. And I think it was 3 teams. Pats, Steelers and Zona. --He lacks experience. Name an NFL Great QB and when he started, how much experience did he have. --His physical stature and arm are not overwhelming. Prototype, no. But good enough yes. Or so it would appear thus far. --Does anything ever come easy for Cleveland? I think you just threw that in there to be funny...  Good one On the thread where Arps brought this up, I said that I thought we are just gun shy about QB's. We want to believe but we've been burnt so many times that it's hard to even consider believing anything. Even if we see it with our own eyes. First we were told it was Couch, then Holcomb, Garcia, Frye, DA, Wallace then McCoy and now Weeden (I know I'm missing some but you get my drift) So in comes this kid without a pedigree, in two games he has 5 TDs and 3 INT's and two wins. One of them against a team in our division and now the team stands at 2-2. If results are the thing that matters most, conventional wisdom says, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. You know me well enough to know that I'm an optimist. The glass is almost always half full to me. But lately I find myself being much more skeptical and I attribute that to being "gun shy" about all things Browns related. So where does that leave us? I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm taking a wait and see attitude about Hoyer. If he keeps winning or at least entertains me, I'm going to accept it. By the end of the year, we may find that he's out guy for the next 5 to 8 years. Then look out. We have a lot of picks coming up, we could really load this team with talent. It would be the best thing to happen to the Browns in a LONG LONG Time..
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I can't say yes or no right now, all I will say is that I am happy this switch happened in week 3 and not in week 13. We will have a pretty good idea at year's end.
There are so many things to like about him though
- Good demeanor. The way he has conducted himself in post-game has been that of a franchise QB. He's not acting how we all would if we won a home game for the Browns. It seemed like after the game Sunday he had already moved on to the Buffalo game.
- Doesn't get shaken. He could have gone into his shell in Minnesota when things got a little ugly in the 2nd half. He got sacked a few times, they grabbed the lead. He stuck with it though. I think that's what makes that GW drive even more impressive.
-Willing to throw to all areas. It's clear his arm is not as strong as Weeden's but it seems like he can make every throw. Needs a little work on the longer routes, but I believe the errors are fixable.
-He has good feet/eyes in the pocket. I think that's probably where the time on the bench the last few years has really helped. He's got very good presence.
-I think the most important thing is that he makes his teammates better. They seem to play better when he's out there. The way the line blocked on that game killing drive on Sunday. The way the backs found those extra yards.
We just need to see improvements and consistency. If we don't see him get better, I think you have the ultimate backup.
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Hoyer might be Rich Gannon - which would be nice.
Yep, sure would be nice to have an NFL MVP at QB 
I'm not sure what Hoyer is yet. After his first start, I thought he was Kelly Holcomb. After his second start, he looks more like Alex Smith. I'm willing to give him time to prove me wrong. If he has another good start in a row, then my opinion could be swayed into think he is our future.
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If he winds up being an Alex Smith type, then he'll be replaced. This team wants a championship level QB, and Smith has been more careful and solid as opposed to being a championship level QB.
I'm not convinced of that.
Right now Smith has a 90 QB rating and his team is 4-0. If Hoyer plays .500 ball, give or take, the rest of the way out and puts up a 90 rating at seasons end, I'm thinking there's a very good chance he'll be the starter next year, and we'll use all the picks to attempt to bring the roster up to NFL levels.
As it stands right now, a 90 rating puts Alex Smith as the 13th rated passer in the NFL. I think that'd be more than good enough for Hoyer to keep the job considering we have huge question marks at the receiver position and no running game to speak of.
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I really think that they want a top QB ..... not a middle of the road QB. We'll see what happens ..... but I don't know if Hoyer settles in to be that Alex Smith type, if that is enough. I think that they want a dynamic QB who can score like the top QBs in the league. Frankly, with the way the NFL is set up today, so do I.
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To me a top tier QB is a double edged sword. You have to spend so much money to keep them that its hard to field a good team. Flacco and Ben's contract have really hurt their teams. I think if we can just manage a good QB we will be fine.
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The Hoyer story is no doubt captivating. It is great to see when someone gets an opportunity and seizes the day.
When you think of an image of a NFL quarterback it is easy to get hung up in guys that look like Troy Aikman or Carson Palmer. You know 6"4" plus with a cannon arm. You do not often envision guys that look like Drew Brees or Brian Hoyer.
Yet when you see moxie on the field you know it. When you see leadership there is no need to define it.
The Hoyer story is in the first chapter. There is plenty still to be written. For right now it is very refreshing.
It will be interesting to see how this season plays out and the performance of Hoyer. It will certainly create some interesting decisions come draft day.
As it stands today my take is the Browns are still on course to draft the best quarterback they can get their hands on. However, that could no doubt change if Hoyer displays the type of leadership envisioned by mangement and his performance continues at a high level.
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To me a top tier QB is a double edged sword. You have to spend so much money to keep them that its hard to field a good team. Flacco and Ben's contract have really hurt their teams. I think if we can just manage a good QB we will be fine.
The funny thing about that, is if your team is winning a lot and putting up points, the QB is going to get his payday no matter what.
Browns is the Browns
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If he had Weedens arm strength he'd absolutely be franchise QB caliber. I think Hoyer can be better than Alex Smith under Haurbaugh.
If he winds up being an Alex Smith type, then he'll be replaced. This team wants a championship level QB, and Smith has been more careful and solid as opposed to being a championship level QB.
in 2011 Alex Smith went 13-3
in 2012 he started 9 games and went 6-2-1
in 2013 he is 4-0
in the past 29 games he has gone 23-5-1
his QBR lifetime is 79.9 and this year he is 89.9
this year he has thrown 7td's and 2 ints for 957 yard and a completion rating of 60.3 his lifetime completion is 59.3 and lifetime he has thrown 88 td's to 65 ints.
Sign me up for a first round draft pick that produces like that where we trade away 2 first rounders.
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Thats true about Smith but I dont think Hoyer is that guy. That's not a really good comparison I dont think.
How often has Alex Smith thrown 54 balls in a game. How many times has he done that and his team won? and not been playing blowout catch up ball. This past week maybe he was more of a reminder because he didnt chuck it deep all game.
I look at Hoyer and think more of Tom Brady/Matt Ryan. Take what you can get, and like Ryan, stick with the guys that get it done. He's thrown often to Gordon and Cameron, and used Bess when needed. That's what Brady and Ryan do. Now Brady uses more guys, but think of their setups. Gordon is like Brady's Moss, Cameron is playing like Gronk, and Bess is his Welker/Edelman. Throw in an OGB playing like Woodhead/Kevin Faulk.
I think a better comparison is those two guys. Sure at this point he hasnt reached their level, but he's trending towards that quality, and I'd say he's been better than Ryan, cuz Ryan seems to have some mental block in tough moments (playoffs, late in games this year).
Save for 3 throws, Hoyer has been good. He finds his guys open, he throws his guys open, he trusts them, and he does what he needs to do. Has he had a couple/few hiccups? of course, but what QB that doesnt have a lot of starts under his belt doesnt...and they havent been game crushers so its fine.
This week is a good challenge. Buffalo has a solid front 7 which has created a lot of issues for opposing QBs...Not so much in terms of yardage, but Buffalo's defense has created a lot of big plays. Theyre a defense that has given up yards, but makes up for that with takeaways. Their secondary hasnt been healthy but theyve been good regardless. Hoyer has a chance to really cement himself with a good game.
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He was dumped in San Francisco.
Why? Because he wasn't a playmaker at the position. He's not the kind of guy who can take the team on his shoulders and drive them to a championship.
In his big year in Frisco, he threw only 17 TD for the season. That's really anemic for a pro QB. He also only threw 5 INT, which is spectacular ..... but he took the safe throws only, and let his run game and defense win games for him. Nothing wrong with that as long as you think that your defense and run game are good enough to win a Super Bowl ..... but that happens very rarely.
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Hoyer has looked decent through two games. For a Browns QB, he's been spectacular. Compare him to the other QBs in the league, though, and we'll all see that he has been above average. I think people are getting too excited about him too soon and creating expectations that are a bit lofty. He has played against one bad defense and one good defense. We need to see more out of him before I start thinking he could be some kind of long-term answer for the team. As of now, I'm hoping we grab a top QB in the draft next year because I don't think he is the answer. He could be a decent Band-Aid in the meantime. Hoyer has plenty of time to convince me otherwise, though, and I hope he does.
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Even if Hoyer seems to be "the answer", we should still draft a QB if we can get one who looks like a franchise guy. QBs get hurt all the time in this league, and even if we don't need an injury replacement, plus level, or potential plus level QBs are an incredible asset.
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Surprised no one has mentioned Chud and Norv as the reason that Hoyer has taken that next step.
Both have a history of taking QB's and making them more than they appear, especially Norv. Don't know why we shouldn't expect that same thing with Hoyer.
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Even if Hoyer seems to be "the answer", we should still draft a QB if we can get one who looks like a franchise guy. QBs get hurt all the time in this league, and even if we don't need an injury replacement, plus level, or potential plus level QBs are an incredible asset.
I agree. However, I don't see any franchise guys coming out right now...or eligible to come out early.
BUT, if it's me, I'm drafting a QB early no matter what Hoyer does and no matter if a 'franchise' guy is there. Hoyer isn't young...but not yet old either.
If Hoyer continues to play well, I'm drafting a QB by the end of Rd 3. Hopefully "our guy" will fall to one of our picks which keeps us from pulling our pants down to trade up for a non-existent-as-yet franchise QB.
If Hoyer fails, we will be back to trading up - which I absolutely hate.
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Even if Hoyer seems to be "the answer", we should still draft a QB if we can get one who looks like a franchise guy. QBs get hurt all the time in this league, and even if we don't need an injury replacement, plus level, or potential plus level QBs are an incredible asset.
I agree. However, I don't see any franchise guys coming out right now...or eligible to come out early.
BUT, if it's me, I'm drafting a QB early no matter what Hoyer does and no matter if a 'franchise' guy is there. Hoyer isn't young...but not yet old either.
If Hoyer continues to play well, I'm drafting a QB by the end of Rd 3. Hopefully "our guy" will fall to one of our picks which keeps us from pulling our pants down to trade up for a non-existent-as-yet franchise QB.
If Hoyer fails, we will be back to trading up - which I absolutely hate.
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He MIGHT be the one. Obviously we don;'t know for sure but as you say, he gives us hope. Right now I love this kid.
I have just a few thoughts.
Drawbacks:
*Not a rocket arm, but haven't we seen enough of those in Cleveland (well, two at least)?
*Inexperience... at least as far as playing actual games in the NFL. But everyone has to start somewhere.
* Size.
Not a big guy, not really tall ,, but nether was Sipe, Brees, Garcia, Flutie, plenty of others who were productive NFL quarterbacks.
Positives:
1st and foremost in my mind, Hoyer doesn't mess around. He seems to make quick decisions. He's aware of his surrounding, seems to have a fast mind
Pretty accurate passer, how many times did we see DA/Quinn, Frye/McCoy/Weeden (jesus it's depressing when I type all those names) not hit a receiver in stride (if they hit 'em at all) thus costing us valuable YAC?.
Intangibles:
He's rallied the offence and defence. I think he's got command of the huddle, if you read quotes from some of the offensive guys the past couple off weeks
Does anyone really think that learning from Tom Brady every day for three years could not be of great benefit (and they both went o Michigan, correct)?
*Another intangible, and this doesn't really help much - but it doesn't hurt, either - is that he's from Cleveland for gosh sakes. Wouldn't he just love to bring a Super Bowl to his home town? That fact can only help his deterrmination to succeed.
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Hoyers deep ball didnt really look bad at all. I really dont think arm strength is going to be an issue to be honest.
The long ball to Gordon was somewhat of a floater and slightly behind the WR. Gordon made an excellent play for the ball. Just my 2 cents.
I will agree with the majority on this one in that is the better QB between the ears. I agree that his physical gifts are lacking, but he is processing whats going on the field much faster than Weeden. His pocket presence and awareness of the pressure is much better too. The man keeps his cool and doesn't seem to panic. In that, I'll happily see him ride out the position the rest of the year and see what we have in Hoyer.
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He was dumped in San Francisco.
Why? Because he wasn't a playmaker at the position. He's not the kind of guy who can take the team on his shoulders and drive them to a championship.
In his big year in Frisco, he threw only 17 TD for the season. That's really anemic for a pro QB. He also only threw 5 INT, which is spectacular ..... but he took the safe throws only, and let his run game and defense win games for him. Nothing wrong with that as long as you think that your defense and run game are good enough to win a Super Bowl ..... but that happens very rarely.
Really? personally, I thought you played to win.
Kapernick's stats this year are
he's won 2 lost 2
58.1 completion %
856 passing yards
5 Td's 4 Int's
QBR 81
10 sacks
141 rushing yards
Smith's stats
won 4 lost 0
60.3% completion
957 passing yards
7 td's
2 Int's
89.9 QBR
11 sacks
151 rushing yards
Smith is currently beating out Kapi in every single facet including rushing minus being sacked once more. The thing is... you have to win enough games to play in the championship game.
in 2009 Smith threw 18 td's while only starting in 10 games
I'm not saying Smith is Peyton Manning... I'm saying he is a winning QB. He finds ways to win games and I'd take that over anything we have or most teams have on their roster.
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I agree. However, I don't see any franchise guys coming out right now...or eligible to come out early.
Ah Ha. There is my problem. I asked around here if anyone saw a now questions asked, hands down starting QB in the draft.. I got no answer.
So is there such an animal and do we have a shot at getting him if we continue to win?
Granted, right now, we have two 1st round picks that we can use to trade up, and maybe throw in a lower rounder if needed so we do have the ammo to move up and get someone. Is there someone worth that kinda move?
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Hoyers deep ball didnt really look bad at all. I really dont think arm strength is going to be an issue to be honest.
The long ball to Gordon was somewhat of a floater and slightly behind the WR. Gordon made an excellent play for the ball. Just my 2 cents.
That was a fantastic catch.
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Surprised no one has mentioned Chud and Norv as the reason that Hoyer has taken that next step.
Both have a history of taking QB's and making them more than they appear, especially Norv. Don't know why we shouldn't expect that same thing with Hoyer.
That's true.
One stat I find to be a good indicator of how a QB is doing is his yards/pass attempt.
Hoyer checks in at 6.41 yards/pass attempt. To me this is one of the most important stats there is, because it tells you a lot. It's hard to have a high yards/pass attempt without a good completion percentage. It's not impossible, but it's harder. A higher yards/pass attempt indicates that the team is making the passing game working down the field. 7 yards/pass attempt is probably the floor for a plus level QB. Right now Hoyer is at 6.41. (Weeden was at 6.55 last year, and 6.0 this year, so both guys can significantly improve in this regard)
Top QBs and their yards/pass attempt this year:
Peyton Manning: 9.42
Drew Brees: 8.64
Matt Ryan: 7.69
Matt Stafford: 8.09
RG3: 7.07 (down from 8.18 last year)
Ben Roethlisberger: 7.60
Phillip Rivers: 8.44 (up from 6.84 last year)
Matt Schaub: 6.74 (down from 7.37 and 8.49 the last 2 seasons)
Other "better" QBs ...
Ryan Tannehill: 7.58 (up from 6.81 last year)
Aaron Rodgers: 8.66
A struggling QB, because of his receivers, but a guy who is undefeated maninly because his defense has played very well is Tom Brady. I say struggling because of the way his young receivers have let him down quite frequently.
Last year Brady was at 7.58. This year he's at 6.42. He's still hitting his receivers, but they aren't getting open and they aren't catching the ball. Brady's completion % is only 58.9% this year.
Seattle is 4-0 and Russell Wilson has improved from 7.93 as a rookie to 8.2 this year. Andrew Luck has also improved in this regard from last year to this.
The difference between a QB averaging 6.5 yards/attempt and 7.5 is generally between 25-40 additional yards/game on offense. It's making more 1st downs. It can be converting those close plays. It can be getting the ball in as opposed to being at the 1,
It's not a perfect indicator of how a QB is playing, as Eli Manning has a higher number than last year ...... but it's generally pretty good. Alex Smith's number has gone down, but he has the 2nd ranked scoring defense on his side, along with a solid run game.
Hoyer did improve in this area from his 1st start to his 2nd. I would like to see him get to, and maintain, a level in the 7.0 to 7.2 range, and improve his TD to INT ration. Quite frankly, I am very pleased with 5 TD in 2 games. That's very, very good. While it never works out that way ..... 5 TD passes in 2 games is on pace for 40 in a 16 game season. That would be a great, absolutely incredible season. However, he would also throw 24 INT in 16 games on that same pace. That's too many.
So ... my bottom line on Hoyer is this:
He showed significant improvement from his 1st sart to his 2nd.
I want to see him maintain that level of yards/pass attempt that he attained in the Bengals game.
I don't think that he'll maintain his TD passing rate ..... but he's off to a great start there.
He needs to cut down on the INTs. Throwing none against the Bengals was fantastic, especially combined with also throwing 2 TDs.
I think that Hoyer showed a nice job hiding the ball in play action. That's a plus, and a huge strength over Weeden wh is weak n this regard.
I think that Hoyer has a decent degree of pocket awareness. However he did run himself into one sack against the Bengals. Then, of course, later he ran his way out of one as well.
He has a decent, though not spectacular arm. He does make up for that to some degree with decent (thus far) awareness, anticipation, and ball placement. He needs to be better than most here, because his arm isn't going to scare anyone.
He managed to lead a pair of 90+ yard drives. That's impressive, but I get worried when you have those massive drives that force you to be almost perfect. I want to see more big plas out of Hoyer.
I don't want to make it seem like he has a weak arm. His arm is decent, and he throws the outs well. I have really only seen him throw one other true deep pass, and that was to Gordon. That throw was underthrown, and seemed to lose speed as it neared Gordon. There are times when you need your QB to be able to gain yards in volume, and this is a big question regarding Hoyer.
I understand that we have very little contribution from the run game right now. We did improve in the Vikings game, mainly through the use of trickery. We ran for 89 yards in the Bengals game, and that's probably because we stuck with it due to us actually having the lead late. We ran for 35 yards on our final TD drive. We then went into run, run, run, kneel, kneel on the final 2drive, trying to kill clock.
Anyway ,..... the more I look at Hoyer, the more I see that I like, but also the more I see that concerns me.
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We need to see more out of him before [we] start thinking he could be some kind of long-term answer for the team.
Understatement of the Month.
The kid has looked promising, but two games is hardly an established track record.
Browns is the Browns
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We need to see more out of him before [we] start thinking he could be some kind of long-term answer for the team.
Understatement of the Month.
The kid has looked promising, but two games is hardly an established track record.
Exactly. Can we all just wait a little bit before we start these elaborate comparisons/predictions?
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Why not talk about if he can or cant? It gives us something to discuss.
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Nothing wrong with that at all. Of course he can. And absolutely, he can't. He's Schroedinger's Cat right now 
Browns is the Browns
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I liked what I saw of Hoyer in the last preseason game and was hoping he would be our #2 if Weeden went down. Wish granted. I know he was playing against low level talent, but it was more about the way he was playing the position that I found intriguing. The offense seemed to have a rhythm and flow and he seemed to be playing intelligently. I don't know how you can prove that, but I'm sure most of us on this board have watched enough football to know what you are seeing even if it's hard to explain or quantify.
I don't know if he can be the long term answer or not. I don't want to get into another DA situation here. But I am enjoying the wins and hope they keep coming. Maybe we hit lightning in a bottle for once.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Why not talk about if he can or cant? It gives us something to discuss.
Ha, I seem to have a bullseye on my back with you.
I think it's perfectly great to analyze his play thus far, but comparing him to the likes of Tom Brady I think is a little premature.
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I agree. He's more like Dan Marino at this point. Once he gets those 3 Super Bowl rings, we can talk about Brady.
Come on guys.
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Why not talk about if he can or cant? It gives us something to discuss.
Ha, I seem to have a bullseye on my back with you.
I think it's perfectly great to analyze his play thus far, but comparing him to the likes of Tom Brady I think is a little premature.
I apologize. Honestly most times I dont even pay attention to who I responding too, just the post. Did I call you out in another thread?
Its just ironic I guess because talking about what if's and stuff is kind what forums are all about.
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