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Philip Rivers' 83.3 percent completion rate in the San Diego Chargers' 30-21 victory over the Dallas Cowboys was the highest any quarterback ever has recorded in a 400-yard performance. Rivers exploited two Cowboys defenders in particular: weakside linebacker Bruce Carter and cornerback Morris Claiborne. Although Dallas' coaches are reluctant to use the word "benching," coverage woes have led to increased roles for Ernie Sims and Orlando Scandrick at the expense of Carter and Claiborne, respectively. Opposing quarterbacks have completed 25 of 35 passes (71.4 percent) for 268 yards when targeting Carter this season, per Pro Football Focus. "Bruce had some problems covering their guys," coach Jason Garrett said Monday, via the team's official website. "Two of their touchdowns were scored with (Danny) Woodhead on him, and he didn't cover him that well, and there some other things going on in our other coverages that he didn't do a good enough job on." While Scandrick has limited opposing receivers to 5.8 yards per catch, Claiborne ranks just 99th among 101 cornerbacks graded by Pro Football Focus this season. An NFC personnel man opined to ESPNDallas.com that Claiborne is "a good cover guy with top-flight weight, height and speed to cover," but he isn't a ballhawk and has trouble following the ball at times. Garrett believes the No. 6 overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft has been plagued by poor technique and low confidence while playing through a dislocated shoulder. "They went to him too much in this ballgame, and they were too effective," Garrett said. "He's just got to play better, and he will play better." Claiborne isn't winning any points with executive vice president Stephen Jones, who declared Monday that it's time for the cornerback's "injury thing to leave the scene." The Cowboys understandably had lofty preseason expectations for both Carter and Claiborne as potential breakout stars. At the quarter-season mark, the two high draft picks now are under pressure to start carrying their weight on a defense that has shut down opposing rushing attacks. The "Around The League Podcast" reviewed every Week 4 game. Click here to listen and subscribe. web page Looks like Claiborne might not be working out so far. Who should we have taken in 2012? Blackmon is having drug issues, we traded away Trich, couldn't get to RG3 (who is injury prone), and couldn't touch Luck. Maybe Tannehill? After that is is sketchy.
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The Cowboys drafted Claiborne to play in Rob Ryan's defense that plays a ton of man defense. Now he is playing in Kiffin's defense that plays mostly zone. It doesn't really seem like a fit. I never understood why the Cowboys changed their defensive scheme in the first place. Ware, Spencer, Lee, and Ratliff were all perfect fits at what they did.
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Sounds like us. We draft people for skill sets they show as strong in and then we don't use them that way on our field. Deep route patterns don't get called, bruising runners behind lines that don't run block particularly well, pass rushers who aren't on a blitz too often or are covering receivers, etc. Most of this was especially true with Shurmy. This coaching group seems to get using what players are good at and coaching that up. Best example might be Cameron; probably Hoyer as well. 
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I would see if what it would take to get him. Would give them the Colts first rounder. That would be my high mark. I think he would excel under Horton, everything is depending on the medical exam of that shoulder however.
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Well, if we are in full-on revisionist history mode, I'd say Russell Wilson is the clear answer to that question.
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naw, we should just trade our 4th and 5th up to get ahead of Seattle in the 3rd for him 
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If they're benching him then a first round would be overkill. Giving them our 3rd rounder (Not the Steelers) would be great though.
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I would see if what it would take to get him. Would give them the Colts first rounder. That would be my high mark. I think he would excel under Horton, everything is depending on the medical exam of that shoulder however.
Exactly my thoughts on this. Claiborne would be a true outside-CB2 allowing Skrine to move inside and push Owens off coverage duties. It would upgrade TWO spots tremendously. If we win the Bills game, which is absolutely winnable, then I would be even more for it. At 3-2 and with some good passing teams coming up in DET and GB, it makes sense. Even if we fail to win enough, it'd be still a good mid-term move as well. I'm all for it
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I would see if what it would take to get him. Would give them the Colts first rounder. That would be my high mark. I think he would excel under Horton, everything is depending on the medical exam of that shoulder however.
I don't think I'd do that. I'd rather wait until we see if we are going to need a QB. We may need both those 1st rounders to move to get the guy we want (whoever that turns out to be)
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This.
I wouldn't offer any more than that 3rd, period. He's a player with skill and potential, but is currently not showing it - he has dropped his value big time.
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I would see if what it would take to get him. Would give them the Colts first rounder. That would be my high mark. I think he would excel under Horton, everything is depending on the medical exam of that shoulder however.
I would see what they would take as well. But I would never offer the 1st rounder for him. Perhaps as high as a third rounder. No more.
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Thanks for having the board up and running again.
Now, as for Claiborne, I liked him (and still do) but I don't think that this FO would be willing to give up anything for him. If I read them right, they're going to be fine with taking one in the draft if they think that they need to get one. They drafted McFadden and will probably wait to see what he can do first.
I think that the same will apply to Slaughter in the SS spot after Ward leaves in free agency at the end of the season.
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Now, as for Claiborne, I liked him (and still do) but I don't think that this FO would be willing to give up anything for him. If I read them right, they're going to be fine with taking one in the draft if they think that they need to get one. They drafted McFadden and will probably wait to see what he can do first.
I think that the same will apply to Slaughter in the SS spot after Ward leaves in free agency at the end of the season.
I don't know if they let Ward leave.. but that aside, my guess is that since the entire league is giving praise to Haden and Skrine, maybe we are being to harsh. Maybe, just maybe, they are happy with what they got for the moment and will go after a CB in the draft next year. we do have a lot of picks so maybe.
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I think that the same will apply to Slaughter in the SS spot after Ward leaves in free agency at the end of the season.
No sweat.
I don't think that Ward is going to want to leave; if we're actually finally turning the corner. I'm pretty sure that all these guys will be quite happy to stay and play in a tough, aggressive defense like this one.
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That's also what worries me if Horton ends up leaving. Those who are able, may want to follow.
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I don't know if they let Ward leave.. but that aside, my guess is that since the entire league is giving praise to Haden and Skrine, maybe we are being to harsh. Maybe, just maybe, they are happy with what they got for the moment and will go after a CB in the draft next year. we do have a lot of picks so maybe.
I don't think they'll keep Ward. He's too fragile and he's not as good as expected. I think that they'll let him walk and smile if they manage to get a 4th or 5th round compensatory pick for him. Under normal circumstances, they'd get a 4th but because of his missed playing time, it might slip somewhat.
And remember, the Browns did draft McFadden. They may draft another CB, but Skrine has been upping his game (or the front 7 makes it easier for him). The truth is probably some of both. In my view, Skrine has certainly been playing better football and this is good news for the Browns.
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Well, he is a free agent and the Browns FO would have to want to bring him back. You might be right and the Browns might want him back. I'm just not quite convinced of that. If Slaughter was able to play right now, Ward may not be starting right now. Remember, Slaughter was drafted despite the injury and the FO knew that it would take some time for him to recover from the torn ACL.
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I quit.
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Well, he is a free agent and the Browns FO would have to want to bring him back. You might be right and the Browns might want him back. I'm just not quite convinced of that. If Slaughter was able to play right now, Ward may not be starting right now. Remember, Slaughter was drafted despite the injury and the FO knew that it would take some time for him to recover from the torn ACL.
What have they said or done that makes you think they don't wish to retain Ward? I believe that like Skrine, the fans are harder on these guys and think less of them than the Browns do.
Now, having said that, if there is a Troy Palamalu (sp) type out there that they can get their hands on, yeah, in that case, we're talking upgrade and I'd hope they go for him.
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Players getting released left and right, several in-season BIG trades of players.... I don't ever recall this much player movement especially this early in a season.
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Nothing in particular really, although they did draft Jamoris Slaughter in April. They've also traded away picks during that draft to acquire additional picks in next year's draft. I think that might show a propensity towards it. I think it will all come down to how they evaluate Ward on the field and if he remains healthy.
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You could be right, but the fans can't fire these guys. The Browns front office can and it seems that maybe they front office and the fanbase don't see eye-to-eye all the time. For reference, see the initial response by most Browns fans to the Richardson trade and even by many in the media. There were 'woe is us' mentality by fans and a 'this proves they're tanking the season' by both fans and media types.
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I want nothing to do with a Troy Polamalu type of player. He does his antics because he gets out-of-position so much when he's back in coverage. He isn't worth a damn in coverage.
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It is odd, isn't it? Was the Richardson trade the trigger? 
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I don't know if it was or not, but it certainly has struck me as strange. Way more player movement than I ever recall....especially at the positions. A starting RB and two starting LT's??? That's unheard of, and doesn't even get into all of the players that have been getting released.
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For the Cowboys to trade Morris Claiborne Jerry Jones will have to admit he made a mistake.
The Cowboys won't be trading Morris Claiborne.
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The Cowboys won't be trading Morris Claiborne.
they also would have to get back a local college "name" player to satisfy him. OU, Tx, A&M, LSU, OkieState or Arkie.
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The Cowboys won't be trading Morris Claiborne.
they also would have to get back a local college "name" player to satisfy him. OU, Tx, A&M, LSU, OkieState or Arkie.
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The Cowboys won't be trading Morris Claiborne.
they also would have to get back a local college "name" player to satisfy him. OU, Tx, A&M, LSU, OkieState or Arkie.
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They do need to upgrade on Romo
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The Cowboys won't be trading Morris Claiborne.
they also would have to get back a local college "name" player to satisfy him. OU, Tx, A&M, LSU, OkieState or Arkie.
OkieState Weeden?
They do need to upgrade on Romo
Romo ain't from 'round dere. Is wise nobodies likes hims dere.
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The Cowboys won't be trading Morris Claiborne.
Ha, good point. Has anyone ever seen his response to the one reporter asking if he would fire himself? What a mess that was...
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