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Brains and accuracy are more important than arm strength and it isn't close.
I think some of you are deluding yourself that Weeds will ever be good enough to be a Super Bowl QB.
I get the hope. I get that you like him. I am not bad-mouthing you. I just don't think he has enough in his game to ever be that kind of guy.
I don't see anyone saying that he will be "a Super Bowl QB". I think that anyone that supports him is just hoping that some lights go on and he starts to get it.
When I look at him, I see a guy like Flacco in his first season. He wasn't much of anything, bit of "deer in headlights", and then he started to get it (and he got some better targets to throw to). Next thing you know, he was rocking it.
His limitation right now is between his ears... whether or not he is processing things fast enough, none of us know. We do know that he is holding that ball too long, and we do know that as he learns to trust the plays, the receivers, and the timing, that will (should) improve.
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My mistake. I thought you brought up other Super Bowl qbs as a comparison.
I am going to say this again. I think that reading coverages is something that you really don't "learn." It's not like reading defenses. It's seeing the field and processing it quickly. It causes indecision. It causes accuracy issues. It causes holding the ball too long. It leads to picks.
I think that is Weeden's issue. Maybe I wrong about it being his issue, but I really don't think so. And I am almost certain that it's not something you "coach up."
This is similar to the Richardson debates I had w/people. His problems were that he wasn't instinctual and he was not decisive. I realize those two are closely related. People kept using the knee injury. Then the rib injury. Always the Shurmur excuse. But, I knew what I saw. I saw a guy who didn't see the holes opening. Lack of instincts led to his indecisiveness. He is the same back this year as he was last year, and he had a good coaching staff here the first two games and is now in an almost perfect situation in Indy. But, he is still the same guy. It's amazing how the other backs are generating great yards per carry and TRich is still around 3 yards per carry.
The two players are closely related in that there are things that coaching, surrounding talent, and experience can really improve, while there are other things that are all on you and if you are lacking in those areas, the amount of growth you have will be minimal---even in the most positive of situations.
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My mistake. I thought you brought up other Super Bowl qbs as a comparison.
No, I was just making a general statement about QB's at that premier level because people keep thinking that getting a guy like that is easy when it is really just pure stinking good fortune. The teams that have those QB's hit the proverbial lottery, but at the same time, those QB's hit the lottery, too by landing in situations with teams that allowed them to become what they have. On lesser teams Peyton's career might resemble Archie's, Brady's might be just another Michigan guy washing out, Brees damn near washed out as it is, and Rodgers had the best seat of them all inheriting the Earth from Favre.
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I am going to say this again. I think that reading coverages is something that you really don't "learn." It's not like reading defenses. It's seeing the field and processing it quickly. It causes indecision. It causes accuracy issues. It causes holding the ball too long. It leads to picks.
I think that is Weeden's issue. Maybe I wrong about it being his issue, but I really don't think so. And I am almost certain that it's not something you "coach up."
This is similar to the Richardson debates I had w/people. His problems were that he wasn't instinctual and he was not decisive. I realize those two are closely related. People kept using the knee injury. Then the rib injury. Always the Shurmur excuse. But, I knew what I saw. I saw a guy who didn't see the holes opening. Lack of instincts led to his indecisiveness. He is the same back this year as he was last year, and he had a good coaching staff here the first two games and is now in an almost perfect situation in Indy. But, he is still the same guy. It's amazing how the other backs are generating great yards per carry and TRich is still around 3 yards per carry.
The two players are closely related in that there are things that coaching, surrounding talent, and experience can really improve, while there are other things that are all on you and if you are lacking in those areas, the amount of growth you have will be minimal---even in the most positive of situations.
You could well be right. I have no idea what his actual issue is beyond the ball doesn't come out fast enough - it was painfully evident on Sunday when Hoyer went down and he came in. Things happened dramatically slower... the root cause of that, however, is anyone's guess.
If it is as you say and it isn't something that time and coaching can't fix, then we'll know soon enough and we can also bank on his tenure in C-Town being over. If whatever it is IS something that can be fixed with time or coaching, then we just might be in for a treat. I don't know if it would be a long-term treat, but at least it would set us up to be able to draft someone and sit them while they are groomed to take over a few years down the road.
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Sounds reasonable. Let's hope for the best.
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Given where we are in the season I didn't think starting a new thread made sense. The title of this one suggests this might be an appropriate place to ask the question.
There are some many unknowns about draft position, prospect evaluations, etc. The Browns could be shut out of the top tier prospects. Also, consider that Hoyer wasn't evaluated exceptionally high coming out of Michigan State. He's been developed via good coaching.
My question, does Va Tech's Logan Thomas deserve consideration by this franchise? Don't consider myself a QB guru by a long shot so I'm interested in what others see. On those web sites engaged in draft projections at this time he's viewed as a 5th or 6th round prospect. In a quarterback driven league I don't think he'll last that long.
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Logan Thomas was bad all of last year and he has been bad all of this year. He probably will go undrafted. He is not good.
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Bryce Petty... from my current home town is the man we want to get 
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Bryce Petty's name seems to be coming up more often. I really want to see him against some better competition though.
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they are about to get into the meat of their schedule so we should know more soon.
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Let's assume that Hoyer is done for the year.
If you are the Browns brass right now, have you seen enough from Hoyer to refrain from going after one of the top-tier QBs in the draft?
Or do you think the vision is to draft a top-tier QB prospect regardless how Hoyer plays and he is just a stop gap?
My feeling is that Weeden is not a part of the long term plan.
Curious what everyone thinks.
They will go after a QB,wether it's this draft or the next.Hoyer has not proven to be a franchise QB with the small sample he had.We don't even know if he will be the same after that injury.I like the guy a lot,but I still want to hedge my bets just to be safe.
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Logan Thomas has a strong arm and is very strong. He would make a good TE. In fact, he was a TE.
I think his decision making is very slow and his accuracy is terrible. Throws stupid interceptions. He might be a late round pick, but not a guarantee to play qb.
I could be wrong, but that is just my take.
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I haven't seen much of Petty. Watched some of his game the other night. He has a strong enough arm. He can put touch on the ball. Looks to have a pretty quick release.
The problem I have w/him---and w/a lot of this year's QBs--is that it's hard to tell how much of their success is due to being a system QB and how much is due to their talent.
I have argued this for years and haven't gotten too many guys to agree w/me, but I think you have to be very careful when drafting spread QBs. They don't have to read defenses and coverages like other qbs, and it puts them at a distinct disadvantage in the NFL. Weeden and McCoy are two great examples.
The problem is that more and more collegiate teams are running similar offenses. It's getting harder and harder to truly evaluate college QBs.
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I haven't seen much of Petty. Watched some of his game the other night. He has a strong enough arm. He can put touch on the ball. Looks to have a pretty quick release.
The problem I have w/him---and w/a lot of this year's QBs--is that it's hard to tell how much of their success is due to being a system QB and how much is due to their talent.
I have argued this for years and haven't gotten too many guys to agree w/me, but I think you have to be very careful when drafting spread QBs. They don't have to read defenses and coverages like other qbs, and it puts them at a distinct disadvantage in the NFL. Weeden and McCoy are two great examples.
The problem is that more and more collegiate teams are running similar offenses. It's getting harder and harder to truly evaluate college QBs.
Nah, I agree with you Vers…..Couch was the same way back in the day
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I haven't seen much of Petty. Watched some of his game the other night. He has a strong enough arm. He can put touch on the ball. Looks to have a pretty quick release.
The problem I have w/him---and w/a lot of this year's QBs--is that it's hard to tell how much of their success is due to being a system QB and how much is due to their talent.
I have argued this for years and haven't gotten too many guys to agree w/me, but I think you have to be very careful when drafting spread QBs. They don't have to read defenses and coverages like other qbs, and it puts them at a distinct disadvantage in the NFL. Weeden and McCoy are two great examples.
The problem is that more and more collegiate teams are running similar offenses. It's getting harder and harder to truly evaluate college QBs.
Absolutely correct here... gettig harder all the time to evaulate QB because of what they run in colleges and the competition they face, and in some cases the talent they have on their own teams, sometimes that makes them look better than they really are, ( TR is a case in point).
He does has measurables, good size, some mobility, moves well in pocket, has some touch and a quick release. Course he is a junior so may not even come out yet.
Hell dont go by me though... I thought Weeden would be good... LOL 
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Let's assume that Hoyer is done for the year.
If you are the Browns brass right now, have you seen enough from Hoyer to refrain from going after one of the top-tier QBs in the draft?
Or do you think the vision is to draft a top-tier QB prospect regardless how Hoyer plays and he is just a stop gap?
My feeling is that Weeden is not a part of the long term plan.
Curious what everyone thinks.
Weeden and Campbell will be gone next year, short of Campbell winning a ton of games and taking this team to the playoffs.
If you ask me, I think the front office likes what they saw from Hoyer, but I don't think they were overwhelmed by the play on the field. They probably view him as one of their smarter moves, and could be an option as a starter going forward.
I think their top priority is the same now as it was when they walked into the building for the first time. They need a quarterback. Their top goal will be to walk out of NYC in May with their guy. It will probably be the whatever-it-takes mentality that you saw with the Redskins to get RG3.
I think that's the only reason they dealt away Richardson. It's not like the guy was a problem. They just saw that he still had some value, being a top 3 pick from a year before. They could not turn down the kind of return they would get, all while knowing behind closed doors, that their production in the running game probably wouldn't be hurt too much. I think if Weeden had played well those first 2 games, Richardson doesn't get dealt.
I always kind laugh when people say they can or can't trust front office people to make decisions, because it doesn't matter. If you're a true fan, you're going to live with it either way. Let's just say I feel good for once trusting these guys to do the right thing.
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They will go after a QB,wether it's this draft or the next.Hoyer has not proven to be a franchise QB with the small sample he had.We don't even know if he will be the same after that injury.I like the guy a lot,but I still want to hedge my bets just to be safe.
I tend to agree with that but I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "hedge their bets"... what I don't want to do is go in for another 2nd tier 2nd or 3rd round QB who may or may not be something just to have another drafted QB on the roster...
If that's the plan then draft a position that you have a better chance of success with in the 2nd or 3rd round like OG, FS, or RB...
My opinion is the same as it's been for a number of years now regarding the QB position, stop tinkering with it and either go big or don't go at all. I believe this FO will have 2 or 3 QBs in mind going into the draft (like we did 2 years ago with Luck/RGIII) and if they don't get one they will go in a different direction, they will NOT do what we did 2 years ago and panic and take a QB you don't fully believe in.
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The problem is that there is no Luck or RG3 in this draft, "going big" doesn't mean you won't get another Weedon or Quinn.
Either Campbell or Hoyer can win with what we have right now. Add a #2 WR, a RB, and maybe a guard, with this D we'd be a winner.
I would plan on letting our drafted QB sit for at least a year. Build a team on the Chiefs model that can win with a decent QB. We are almost there now, and we might have TWO decent QB's.
We will likely have 5 picks in the top 75, I would use most of them on other needs. Maybe trade for a future #1, depending on who comes out.
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To re-hash some old rumors ... With our increased number of draft picks do we trade our 2nd rounder or the Colts pick to NE for Mallet? Essentially making it a TRich for Mallet trade.
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To re-hash some old rumors ... With our increased number of draft picks do we trade our 2nd rounder or the Colts pick to NE for Mallet? Essentially making it a TRich for Mallet trade.
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To re-hash some old rumors ... With our increased number of draft picks do we trade our 2nd rounder or the Colts pick to NE for Mallet? Essentially making it a TRich for Mallet trade.
Nope. If we could have gotten Mallett before this season it would have been worth it to trade for him. If we trade for him next season, he will be in a contract year and we will either have to sign him to extension with him having four career NFL regular season pass attempts or let him become a free agent.
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The problem is that there is no Luck or RG3 in this draft, "going big" doesn't mean you won't get another Weedon or Quinn.
Either Campbell or Hoyer can win with what we have right now. Add a #2 WR, a RB, and maybe a guard, with this D we'd be a winner.
I would plan on letting our drafted QB sit for at least a year. Build a team on the Chiefs model that can win with a decent QB. We are almost there now, and we might have TWO decent QB's.
We will likely have 5 picks in the top 75, I would use most of them on other needs. Maybe trade for a future #1, depending on who comes out.
I can't really disagree with this much, except our QB situation is really unknown at this time. I think that Hoyer has the most leadership among the group. Campbell didn't do badly in the losing effort against KC, but was his leadership really there? It didn't seem like it at the beginning and that's where KC won the game. Granted, he put the team offensively on his shoulders and we had an opportunity to win the game.
We'll certainly get enough of a look this year (barring injury) at Campbell to know if he has a future with the team or not. We'll probably get more of a look at Hoyer next year too and Weeden won't be on the roster and Holmgren will come out with another diatribe that nobody outside of Seattle will listen to.
However, I think that loading up on some talented TEs that can catch the ball in mismatches will serve the team well. Tom Brady had Hernandez and Gronkowski doing it for him in New England. One is gone into a jail cell awaiting trial and one has been hampered by injuries. But, when both were available and on the field at the same time, they had a tremendous positive impact for the Patriots. I think we're going to see more and more of the two (or even more) TE sets.
It will be interesting to see what Banner & Co. do with the 5 picks in the Top 75-80 and 7 in the Top 110 or so.
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Blake Bortles, UCF?
I mentioned this guy on another thread. He is flying on the radar, but I like this kid. I watched two full games against S. Carolina and Louisville. He lost to the Gamecocks, but he impressed me. He led a game winning drive against Louisville.
I think the guy is very, very raw. He will probably have to sit a couple of years before he is ready. He needs "coached-up."
I like his size, he is somewhere around 6'4" and has a solid frame.
He doesn't have a huge arm, but he throws w/plenty of velocity on most of his throws.
Accuracy? Pretty accurate passer. Usually very accurate, but I did see him sail a couple of passes against Carolina.
He stands tall in the pocket and isn't afraid to take a hit. He will also buy some time.
I wouldn't mind getting this kid in 3rd or 4th round. Of course, he'll probably shoot up the charts after the season is over, just like so many other have before him.
Check him out if you get a chance.
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I've looked at all of the draftbreakdown.com clips and I will be looking to catch a full game by the Knights. He's an intriguing prospect.
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Heard on a radio show that we should trade one or both of our first round picks to Washington for Kirk Cousins, Washington dosent have any 1st round picks so some type of trade might be possible, maybe Indys first and toss in Weeden....Just talk of sports radio
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Heard on a radio show that we should trade one or both of our first round picks to Washington for Kirk Cousins, Washington dosent have any 1st round picks so some type of trade might be possible, maybe Indys first and toss in Weeden....Just talk of sports radio
anytime you can trade for a 4th round QB who showed some marginal success but his own team didn't trust him enough so they played the injured starter (even to their own detriment of further injuring him and then rushing him back too quickly), while passing on a draft that had a high number of potential QBs better than him, you just have to do it.
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What has Cousins done warrant using a first round pick in trade for him? He had a good game against the Browns last year and one drive vs. Atlanta but I wouldn't give up a first for him.
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Heard on a radio show that we should trade one or both of our first round picks to Washington for Kirk Cousins, Washington dosent have any 1st round picks so some type of trade might be possible, maybe Indys first and toss in Weeden....Just talk of sports radio
I get the feeling that there is discontent with RGIII so I doubt they trade Cousins.
when I see Cousins, I think of Scott Mitchell...
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I get the feeling that there is discontent with RGIII ...
His career hasn't panned out the way most thought it would (through injury, whatever). There was so much negative discussion about our inability to sell the farm for a tradeup, but very liitle about how perhaps we lucked out in our "failure" to do so...
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I get the feeling that there is discontent with RGIII ...
His career hasn't panned out the way most thought it would (through injury, whatever). There was so much negative discussion about our inability to sell the farm for a tradeup, but very liitle about how perhaps we lucked out in our "failure" to do so...
Yeah,, There was lots of talk about how holmgren failed on that but these days, it looks like the best failure ever...
I like the kid, I think he's a special athlete, but I never thought his style would allow him to be at his best AND last long in the league..
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A lot of people were very high on RGIII, even on this board, but a lot of them also qualified that with ... "... if he can stay healthy"...
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I feel somewhat vindicated in my staunch belief that we should stay away from RGIII.
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A lot of people were very high on RGIII, even on this board, but a lot of them also qualified that with ... "... if he can stay healthy"...
There were quite a few that were so ticked off at holmgren for not finding a way to get him....
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I feel somewhat vindicated in my staunch belief that we should stay away from RGIII.
I wasn't against RGIII as much as I was against giving the future away to get him.. That to me is stupid...Washington will be paying a hefty price going forward.... What could make it worse is if RGIII flops or gets injured and misses significant time.
I thought it was a mistake then, nothing has happened to change my mind...
But, if we could have gotten him with whatever pick we had, I"d have been ok with it. It's one pick and any "One" pick can flop.. But when that pick flops and it costs you 3 firsts to get it,, then that's just gonna kill your team for years
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I'll admit that I wanted RGIII. But not the asking price that St. Louis was asking. Just glad it turned out to be Daniel Snyder's Redskins over the Browns.
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What would we have given up?
1:Trent
1: Weeden
2: Schwartz
1: Mingo
Of the 3, only Mingo looks like a real keeper at this point. We did get a 1st for Trent, and that could swing the proposed trade back in our direction, but who knows? It's really going to depend on how we do finding our QB in next year's draft. Otherwise, I think that history might well show that we should have made the trade, giving the Rams what they wanted.
One thing is for certain ..... if we weren't going to meet the Rams price, then we should have got out well before the price got as high as it did ... because now that price is set for a "trade up for a QB scenario". If RG3 had only cost the Skins a pair of 1sts ..... or even a 1st and a 2nd .... that might be the price going forward. However we ran the price up and got out, and Holmgren, Heckert, and Co may have double screwed us.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Wouldn't we have to give up MORE than what you showed to trump what the Redskins gave up?
I'm happy as can be that we didn't trump their offer.
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