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I think this can work out long term in a way more beneficial to cleveland than anyone imagines... It's not a lock but this is a definite reality we can see:
April: Draft QB of the future in 1st round
Sept: Let Hoyer run the team while we groom the QB
Hoyer is on a 2 year deal so at the end of the 2014 season you can quietly let him go to FA and you put the draft QB up there, free of QB controversy and a year of learning the pro game/running the team two offense under his belt.
My thoughts, exactly.
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The Detroit game is very winable.
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Back to the basement. Enjoy first place while it lasts our next 5 games are brutal.
The Detroit game is very winable.
Especially if Calvin Johnson is still out or is limited in the game.
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Ugh. I can feel the excitement being sucked from this fanbase with this announcement. I certainly feel it in myself. We just can't catch a break.
nope.....and that bills game will remembered and brought up many times this year....but not as a good memory of a fantastic win, but as the point the season took a turn for the worst.....  
Hoyer getting hurt stinks but it's not the end of the world. We still have Gordon and a good defense. Like I said, we should beat Detroit next week which will get us to 4-2.
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Back to the basement. Enjoy first place while it lasts our next 5 games are brutal.
The Detroit game is very winable.
Especially if Calvin Johnson is still out or is limited in the game.
Yup you shut him down and you pretty much shut down Detroit's offense.
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I suspect that we will get better as the year goes along too. The defense will get the rest of Horton's defense in, and have it down to a science ..... and Norv will have the rest of his offense in as well.
As long as we don't lose starters for the season to injury, we should improve as the season goes on. In previous seasons, it seems like we regressed as the year went on.
I really like this coaching staff. I think that we have a damn good one.
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Why should the HC ask the FO who is going to play?
I doubt very much that it was regarding who would play, but rather if, and whom, they might add to the roster given Hoyer is gone for the season. They made up their minds to have three QB's on the roster and now they're down to two.
Do we add a QB? If so, who is available and of those who can we get?
It think that is what was meant by, "how the team will address the quarterback position", not asking Joe who should play.
My bad then. I took it that way,since they also mentioned Campbell and it sounded like one of those obscure consensus decisions, but your take makes more sense. I hope youre right
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Back to the basement. Enjoy first place while it lasts our next 5 games are brutal.
The Detroit game is very winable.
Especially if Calvin Johnson is still out or is limited in the game.
Yep. And our D is much better than Green Bay's, which looks to have gotten rather banged up today, including Clay Matthews fracturing his thumb.
Our QB situation will make me nervous the entire season, but I will have to just grin ear-to-ear every time our D takes the field. 
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The Detroit game is very winable.
Especially if Calvin Johnson is still out or is limited in the game.
Yup you shut him down and you pretty much shut down Detroit's offense.
I'm afraid, if you shut down Gordon, you shut down the Browns offense 
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I think this can work out long term in a way more beneficial to cleveland than anyone imagines... It's not a lock but this is a definite reality we can see:
April: Draft QB of the future in 1st round
Sept: Let Hoyer run the team while we groom the QB
Hoyer is on a 2 year deal so at the end of the 2014 season you can quietly let him go to FA and you put the draft QB up there, free of QB controversy and a year of learning the pro game/running the team two offense under his belt.
My thoughts, exactly.
While I love this scenario, Cleveland media and fans would constantly be bugging the coaches and FO at every conference about when the rookie will get his first start.
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If the Coaching staff gets the approval of Banner it wont matter. Usually the only reason the coaches throw the rook onto the pile is to buy time from the FO in an otherwise losing season. Hoyer may not have had enough to prove he's the guy but I think he can man the position while we groom the successor.
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When I hear QB + ACL I immediately think Carson Palmer. Hopefully Hoyer doesn't skip a beat like Brady and his ACL, but man I am worried about his ability to return to form after this. I'm big on having Ohio guys playing for the team, especially at QB. My hope is that Hoyer has the potential to be the starter next year. But I can't imagine we aren't grabbing a QB in the 1st / 2nd. edit: unless we trade for Mallett 
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I'm afraid, if you shut down Gordon, you shut down the Browns offense
Why? I don't think that a team can shut down Gordon (although Gordon could) because we do have Bess and Cameron.
The threat of Cameron has been a blessing to Gordon. It will work both ways. Let's say that Gordon gets 'shut down', it'll likely mean that Cameron is having a banner day.
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The good news about Hoyer and his ACL is that he got hurt running, out of the pocket.
A guy like Carson Palmer became gun-shy because he got hit in the pocket, while he was planting to throw.
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If the Coaching staff gets the approval of Banner it wont matter. Usually the only reason the coaches throw the rook onto the pile is to buy time from the FO in an otherwise losing season. Hoyer may not have had enough to prove he's the guy but I think he can man the position while we groom the successor.
That's a pretty good point. I don't think Banner is going to succumb to pressure from the media and the fans. He has said as much, himself. He made the TRich trade. He let Chud choose Hoyer. He allowed Chud/Norv to keep playing Hoyer even though Weeden was healthy.
Banner has said that people will question decisions, but that if we win, it will all take care of itself.
We have to remember that this regime is almost certainly different than the other regimes and it all starts w/ownership. I doubt that Haslam will be as trigger happy as Junior if the media/fans start calling for someone's head.
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I don't think Banner is going to succumb to pressure from the media and the fans
Probably not, but I would expect a very loud reaction if he pulls off a Gordon trade as being reported on NFL.com...
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Probably not, but I would expect a very loud reaction if he pulls off a Gordon trade as being reported on NFL.com...
He would have a very hard time selling the notion that trading away Gordon is about anything BUT giving up on the season and stockpiling picks for the future...
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Not sure what your point is???
That a whole lot of people will make a whole lot of noise if he trades Gordon, but Banner won't care.
Kinda self explanatory, I thought. 
And, I agree with DC - there is simply no spinning that move.
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Not sure how that relates to the qb thing and see Banner caring if there is a loud reaction.
Oh, and if you go to the Gordon thread, you will see that I believe there is justification for trading him. I am not saying I would, but it's plausible.
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It could easily be sold as "We were just worried that we would wind up with nothing if Josh had one more positive test. This trade allows us certainty out of uncertainty, and an additional asset with which to build our future. We certainly thank Josh for his time here, and wish him the best in the future."
It would be hard to argue with that, especially if we recouped a moderately high draft pick. Josh has said that he had a prescription drug that caused his failed test, but it actually could have been anything. The NFL never comments beyond that fact that the guy is suspended for a violation. The front office is in a tough spot ..... because he is absolutely a top end talent ...... but he is a talent who could be gone for the year tomorrow. It's a really difficult call for the front office.
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Not sure what your point is???
Simply that our FO could expect that the fans and media (for the most part) would react very negatively and loudly if Gordon were traded, Banner, I expect, could care less...
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Yeah, it was in one of those prescription bottles in that party pic. They were on the coffee table right next to the bong.
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He would have a very hard time selling the notion that trading away Gordon is about anything BUT giving up on the season and stockpiling picks for the future...
I don't think he'd sell it as tanking the season but I'm sure that he would put the spin on it of adding picks to get talent on the team that isn't a high-risk player on the verge of being out-of-the-league for a year.
If the team traded away Josh Gordon and got a second in return for it, I wouldn't be too upset except that for a team like San Fran, it would have to be contingent upon where their draft position ended up being. If they made the playoffs, it would have to include an additional pick or move up a round.
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LINKBrian Hoyer targets offseason camps October 30, 2013, 1:45 PM ET BEREA, Ohio -- Brian Hoyer said the Cleveland Browns trainers have had to hold him back as he attacks his rehab from surgery to repair a torn ligament in his right knee. That's how eager the quarterback is to get back after suffering what he called the biggest disappointment of his life on Oct. 3 against Buffalo. "I think generally ACL (recovery) is 6-8 months," Hoyer said Wednesday. "Obviously I'd like to shoot for the shorter part of that." If Hoyer can come back quickly, he might be able to participate in some offseason work and surely would be ready for training camp. He's not guaranteeing that timetable, but is using it as his motivation. "I'm really positive," Hoyer said. "I think that's the only way to be. Every day I'm getting better." Hoyer's disappointment is compounded by his story. He grew up in Cleveland and played for St. Ignatius. He spent three years watching Tom Brady in New England, and was thrilled to get a chance to play for his hometown team. Winning his first two starts with the Browns only made the experience that much better. "I think that was the hardest part," Hoyer said. "Things were going really well and it gets just taken right from underneath you." Hoyer was injured at the end of an 11-yard run in the first quarter when he slid late and was hit in the shoulders by the Bills' Kiko Alonso. "That was the first time on a field when I couldn't get up on my own," Hoyer said. "That's when I knew something was up." Hoyer said he looked at the tape only to make sure he didn't miss a receiver, and he was satisfied running was his only option. However, his right cleat got stuck in the grass before the hit, which produced the torque to cause the injury. "I think if either-or would have happened, I probably would have been fine," Hoyer said. "I got my foot down a little late and that's when he was hitting me." Hoyer said once he got past the disappointment, he returned his focus to what he could control. That involved strengthening the knee before surgery and then working diligently during rehab. He had quite a week, when he had the surgery. He celebrated a birthday Sunday, welcomed his baby girl Cameron on Tuesday and had the surgery on Friday. "It was a busy week in my house," he said. "Obviously, I had one of best moments of my life with my daughter being born. "I've never had a surgery before, so it's a little nerve wracking. But I got through it. I felt great. I came out of surgery great. Now I'm onto the rehab."
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You know ..... I don't know why they can't come up with some sort of lightweight support/brace that would not impede movement, but would prevent the knee and ankle from being bent into unnatural positions, and could prevent a lot of ligament damage.
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I was just lurking my twitter from last April. I found where Jason Pinkston tweeted "#GENO" for us to draft Geno Smith. Talk about the team knowing Weeden sucked. I remember saying it then, Weeden was as good as gone.
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Being that he isn't in a position where he needs to regularly rely on cutting with that repaired ACL like a WR or RB would, he should definitely hit the 6 month return timeframe as long as he doesn't have any setbacks. His one and only concern would be getting used to how it feels when he makes his drops and when he plants/sets his feet; beyond that he should have all the stability he needs very early.
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That seems to make sense to me.
But I seriously wonder about QBs and ACL injuries after Carson Palmer. Don't know if it is just circumstance or if the injury got him that bad.
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But I seriously wonder about QBs and ACL injuries after Carson Palmer. Don't know if it is just circumstance or if the injury got him that bad.
Carson Palmer has been gun-shy after his injury because of HOW he got hurt, IMO.
Palmer got hurt because he was hit in the pocket, planting his foot to throw. After that he seemed to never feel comfortable in the pocket.
Hoyer got hurt outside the pocket scrambling on a freak injury.
He'll be fine.
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Palmer also had a litany of other injuries immediately after his ACL got shredded. Palmer also shredded his elbow which required Tommy John surgery. But he passed on the surgery and has never been the same. This is a great article on what went wrong with Palmer.
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