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Link Cleveland Browns talked to 49ers about trading receiver Josh Gordon, deal unlikely, report says By Mary Kay Cabot October 07, 2013 at 4:58 PM BEREA, Ohio -- The Browns have talked to the 49ers about trading wide receiver Josh Gordon to them, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. But he reports the deal is unlikely because help is already on the way for last year's Super Bowl participants. With receiver Mario Manningham (ACL and PCL) coming off the physically-unable-to-perform list and receiver Michael Crabtree (Achilles) due to return in November, the 49ers might not have a pressing need for Gordon, who's second on the team with 303 receiving yards on 18 catches. Schefter reported on Sept. 22 that the Browns were fielding offers for both Gordon and Greg Little. Sources told cleveland.com back then that it was unlikely Gordon would be dealt, and if he was, it would only be because he's one strike away from getting kicked out of the NFL for at least a year under terms of the substance abuse policy. Gordon, acquired in the 2012 supplement draft with the second-round pick from 2013, caught his second touchdown pass of the season against the Bills, a 37-yarder that tied it 24-24 in the third quarter. The Browns went on to win 37-24.He also caught a 47-yard TD in Minnesota. Gordon now has seven career TD catches, all of which are for 20 yards or more. He also averages more than 43 yards on those TDs. Gordon, who was suspended the first two games of the season after testing positive for codeine, led the Browns in receiving yards (805) and TDs (5) in 2012. He explained that the codeine was in his prescribed cough syrup. But his teammates have been raving about him this season. "He's a legit No. 1 receiver,'' said cornerback Joe Haden. Right now, the 49ers, who lost to the Ravens in the Super Bowl in January, have Anquan Boldin and not much else at the position. In other Browns news: * Defensive end Desmond Bryant said he's on medication to control his rapid heartbeat, which occurred Thursday night during the Bills game. He said he's confident doctors have it under control and that it won't happen again. It happened only one other time in his life, last season against the Raiders. * Coach Rob Chudzinski said the club is exploring its options in regard to a third quarterback, but that it feels comfortable with Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell should it choose to go with two. He said tight end MarQueis Gray, the former University of Minnesota quarterback, would serve as the emergency third QB. * Linebackers Jabaal Sheard (knee) and Quentin Groves (ankle) ran outside with the trainers today but didn't practice with the team. * Fullback Chris Ogbonnaya (concussion) also ran outside with the trainers and sat out practice. * Defensive end Billy Winn (quad) did not practice today. * Receiver Josh Cooper was re-signed to the practice squad and linebacker Justin Staples, a native of Berea, Ohio, was released from the practice squad. * Chudzinski said Brian Hoyer might not have his surgery scheduled yet and could be seeing another specialist. * Safety Tashaun Gipson re-iterated that he wasn't celebrating Bills quarterback EJ Manuel's knee injury, just his own hit. He admitted he shouldn't have been pumping his fists while Manuel was down.
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It better be unlikely.. I got the TRich trade value from day 1 because his production can be replaced by McGahee right out of Retirement Oaks Planned Community... but talent like Gordon's isn't found in the 3rd or 4th round...
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There are so many rumors swirling about Gordon. I'm not sure what to believe any more. Part of me would be PO'd if we traded away our best weapon ... and the other part of me thinks that the FO must not trust him and is trying to get good value.
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I don't think there are any easy answers here.
--There are going to be people like you who freak because we traded such a great talent. I can understand that.
--There are going to be people who go nuts because it is another chance to bash the FO. We know who they are.
On the other hand.....
--What if the FO knows that Gordon is continuing to party and run w/the wrong people? What if they feel it is just a matter of time until he screws up again?
--How will people react if Gordon is suspended for a year when they know that teams were interested in him? Won't they freak out because we got Nothing for him when we could have? Won't they say the FO lacked foresight?
I say it is a tough call. I don't know what they should do. I just know it isn't an easy, clear-cut decision.
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There is no way we would get what Gordon is worth on the field because of his actions off the field.
It's a really tough call, because he is one hell of a talent when he plays. He is one hell of a risk the rest of the time. I would hate to wind up with nothing for the investment we made in him ...... but I would also hate to just give him away.
Really tough call for the front office.
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--There are going to be people like you who freak because we traded such a great talent. I can understand that.
I didn't say there were easy answers... and right now Gordon is a top 10 NFL wide receiver and that's with Brian Hoyer / Brandon Weeden throwing him the football...
IF the FO has information that we don't, then they should act on it...
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Yeah, I agree.
I typically have opinions on everything [no wisecracks] but I really don't have an opinion on this move......other than knowing it could backfire either way.
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I wasn't criticizing you. Honest.
I just think it is a tough call and you are probably going to anger the fans either way you go.
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It really could go either way... Gordon could be out of football in 2 years or he could be in the pro-bowl for the next 8.... hard to tell..
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I'm sorry but if they trade him they its proof they are tanking the season. We barely win with him. We definitely lose without him. Trading him for a second round pick is foolish if their REAL objective is to win games. Even a first round WR has no better chance of being as good an impact as Gordon already is.
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Yeah, I agree. That's what makes it so tough.
Most will be irate if we trade him. Imagine if he stays clean and becomes a great WR? Ouch.
On the other hand, if he gets suspended, people will bash the FO for NOT trading him.
I don't know what I would do.
What would you do?
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Are people still holding onto the "tanking the season" argument?
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I'm sorry but if they trade him they its proof they are tanking the season. We barely win with him. We definitely lose without him. Trading him for a second round pick is foolish if their REAL objective is to win games. Even a first round WR has no better chance of being as good an impact as Gordon already is.
It's hardly proof that they are tanking. What it would be is proof that they are terribly concerned about Gordon's ability to stay clean and on the field for the team.
That's really it.
A drug free Josh Gordon is a special player that teams hold onto as long as possible, and might even franchise tag. He is a guy who would bring 1st round plus trade offers from other teams, and his team would still turn those offers down without a second though.
Gordon who might slip up again is a major scare. He does nothing to help the team if he has another positive test and is gone for a year. (or more)
That's the concern. It has nothing to do with "tanking". It has to do with which is the most likely outcome for Gordon, factoring in that he had been in the NFL for less than a full season and had 2 positive drug tests during that timeframe that led to a suspension.
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What would you do?
To answer that question I would have to get into the brains of the FO and answer that "What if...." question you asked about him still partying and risking a bigger suspension...
If I'm pretty certain he's cleaned himself up then I keep him.. I know he could snap at any moment and it only takes one stupid night to have it all come crumbling down... but the Browns aren't good enough to trade away great talent without a real good reason...
And I know that hindsight is 20/20 and if he did screw up, articles would be written about how the Browns should have seen it coming.. but I for one would place 95% of the blame on Gordon and not on the Browns..
Then there are other factors like, what are they offering?
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That's fair and reasonable.
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I'm sorry but if they trade him they its proof they are tanking the season. We barely win with him. We definitely lose without him. Trading him for a second round pick is foolish if their REAL objective is to win games. Even a first round WR has no better chance of being as good an impact as Gordon already is.
It's hardly proof that they are tanking. What it would be is proof that they are terribly concerned about Gordon's ability to stay clean and on the field for the team.
That's really it.
A drug free Josh Gordon is a special player that teams hold onto as long as possible, and might even franchise tag. He is a guy who would bring 1st round plus trade offers from other teams, and his team would still turn those offers down without a second though.
Gordon who might slip up again is a major scare. He does nothing to help the team if he has another positive test and is gone for a year. (or more)
That's the concern. It has nothing to do with "tanking". It has to do with which is the most likely outcome for Gordon, factoring in that he had been in the NFL for less than a full season and had 2 positive drug tests during that timeframe that led to a suspension.
If they do it mid season in the middle of a winning streak then yes its tanking and very deliberate. If they do it once the season is over then I could see it being a matter of concern. I think I would just eat the risk and keep him around though. Still, If it took place after the season was over I could see it happening with a bit more reason.
The simple truth is they know if they trade Gordon right now that we will most likely lost most if not all of our remaining games. Then again they might feel that with Weeden at QB we have a high chance to lose anyways so who knows. Either way I dont support trading Gordon in the middle of a win streak.
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Unless you get a 1st and a 2nd for Gordon, no way do you trade him. This kid is raw as hell and he may be the best receiver in the AFC.
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If this is true, which im not saying it is or isnt....but if it is...then there is no doubt we are trying to tank the season........unless...like vers sais...the FO knows he is still up to his old habits and its only a matter of time......
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I think we are getting a little carried away w/this best WR stuff.
The guy dropped two more passes this week. His body of work isn't that impressive.
He has potential, but I think you guys are getting ahead of yourselves w/all this praise.
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So WHY would the media spin on this? Gordon is our game breaker, the best WR we have. If they trade any WR, I would have no problem letting go of Greg Little. I'd take a case of Gatorade for that guy.
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So WHY would the media spin on this? Gordon is our game breaker, the best WR we have. If they trade any WR, I would have no problem letting go of Greg Little. I'd take a case of Gatorade for that guy.
Why? Of the two, Gordon would fetch more, he is more of a risk of being out of the league, and Little could be moved to his original college position, running back. And I'd hire a chauffeur to drive him around... everywhere!
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I'm assuming these trade talks are since Sept. 22 when it was first reported that the Browns were shopping Gordon and Little. But, that's not clear. Maybe this is just word leaking out that SF is the team we were initially talking to?
Also, I seem to remember Banner saying there was no intention to engage in more trades. But, like any FO, I'm sure if the right price came along, the deal would be made.
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I agree, any team that wants him now, during the season, will have to pay a steep price to get him. I think he's definitely proved he's a first round talent, and you can't let teams get him for cheap just because of his off-field problems. That is, unless the front office has inside information that he has Aaron Hernadez-esque problem.
Another thing to think about...it looks like the front office is loading up to get a new QB in the 2014 draft. If we trade Gordon, the front office better have a really good plan to get our new investment a legitimate #1WR, or will be back to the same mess Mangini left us with...remember those days, with Massaquoi, Robiskie, and Cribbs as our top WRs? Granted, we do have an emerging Cameron now, but do you really want to go back to that, because that is level our WR corps would be without Gordon.
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I read a lot about Gordon only being one failed test away from a years banishment and I believed that for a long time. However, I was recently reviewing the NFL drug policy and came to a different conclusion. nfl drug policy This document is from 2010 so it may be outdated? Discipline. (1) Discipline for First Failure to Comply in Stage Two: A player in Stage Two who fails to comply with his Treatment Plan or fails to cooperate with testing, treatment, evaluation or other requirements imposed on him by this Policy, both as determined by the Medical Director, or has a Positive Test will be subject to: (a) A fine of four-seventeenths (4/17) of the amount in Paragraph 5 of the NFL Player Contract if the player has successfully completed Stage One; and (b) A suspension for the period of time to cover four consecutive regular season and post-season (including Pro Bowl, if selected) games without pay if he did not successfully complete Stage One. (2) Discipline for Second Failure to Comply in Stage Two: A player who has two Positive Tests in Stage Two; or fails twice, as determined by the Medical Director, to comply with his Treatment Plan in Stage Two; or has a Positive Test and fails to comply with his Treatment Plan, as determined by the Medical Director; or fails to cooperate with testing, treatment, evaluation or other requirements imposed on him by this Policy, as determined by the Medical Director, will incur: (a) A suspension for the period of time to cover four consecutive regular and post season games (including the Pro Bowl, if selected) without pay if the player was fined pursuant to Section E.2.b.(1)(a) above; and17 (2010) (b) A suspension for the period of time to cover six consecutive regular and post season games (including the Pro Bowl, if selected) without pay if the player was suspended pursuant to Section E.2.b.(1)(b) above. (c) The computation of the amount a player must forfeit and return to his Club as a result of a suspension under this section and banishment under Section 3.b(2) of this Article is set forth in Appendix D. Now it seems to my novice understanding that Gordon is within Stage two and has failed one test within it. Resulting in the expected 4 game fine and slightly modified 2 game suspension. At least according to this document he will be suspended 6 games next time, not a full year. He will however be moved into Stage 3 for the rest of his career and risk a full year suspension if he were to fail another test at that point. And he would remain in stage 3 the rest of his career. Does my interpretation seem correct guys? It seems to me Gordon is one more strike away from being forever in Stage 3 and a six game suspension. But still two strikes away from missing a year.
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Based on other things I've read, Gordon is actually in stage 3 of the testing program ... which is very bad news obviously. Thus, he will never have the opportunity to reduce or drop down to stage 2/1
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I think Gordon has been quoted saying the next time he fails a test, its a one-year suspension. That should tell you what stage he is in because I would assume he knows his status better than anyone.
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If they do it mid season in the middle of a winning streak then yes its tanking and very deliberate.
I disagree. If they do it in the middle of the season, that means they are capitalizing on his rising stock. Banner runs this team like a business. Sell high, buy low = business model
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I think Gordon has been quoted saying the next time he fails a test, its a one-year suspension. That should tell you what stage he is in because I would assume he knows his status better than anyone.
That's correct.
Look it comes down to whether or not the front office, and the coaches ... people who work with him every day, think about his chances of staying clean, or not doing so.
It wouldn't surprise me if the team has someone keeping an eye on him, and what he does after he leaves the team facilities every day, Actually, that kind of encourages me if they are no longer actively trying to trade him .... because maybe that means that he's not hanging out with the same people he got into trouble with.
However, if suddenly we start hearing about more efforts to trade him, even after seeing that he could be a difference maker, then I can only assume that they are seeing and/or hearing stuff that they don't like, and are worried about his future. Unfortunately, I would think that other teams would have the same thoughts.
People talk about tanking if we trade him ..... but people talked about tanking when we traded Richardson. Who knows what would happen as the team continues to develop?
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I think we are getting a little carried away w/this best WR stuff.
The guy dropped two more passes this week. His body of work isn't that impressive.
He has potential, but I think you guys are getting ahead of yourselves w/all this praise.
You have to agree that he has more potential than any WR we have had since Paul Warfield.
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I think we are getting a little carried away w/this best WR stuff.
The guy dropped two more passes this week. His body of work isn't that impressive.
He has potential, but I think you guys are getting ahead of yourselves w/all this praise.
You have to agree that he has more potential than any WR we have had since Paul Warfield.
Carlton Mitchell thinks so too. 
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if we trade gordon away, it doesn't matter if he gets suspended or turns into a pro bowl player on a different team.
this season, we WON'T be winning anymore games. the only WR that can get separation and has hands on the team is Bess. the only other threat besides him is cameron. can you imagine what opposing defenses are going to do when they realize that gordon is gone? knowing that they have (lol)weeden throwing the football?
good god. i feel bad for our defense.
so yea, we will be tanking the season. not because we are trying, but because we won't even come close to generating more than a TD on the field. we already seen what happened the first 2 games.
there is NO benefit IMO of trading away Gordon. for what? a draft pick of hopes and dreams? a WR we HOPE will be ok?
guys, we straight up got elite talent with a supplemental pick. if he can't stay clean, then really, whatever. but if we keep him, IMO the reward far outweigh the risk.
this isn't T rich we talking here. this is a WR who literally COMMANDS double teams now.
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I think we are getting a little carried away w/this best WR stuff.
The guy dropped two more passes this week. His body of work isn't that impressive.
He has potential, but I think you guys are getting ahead of yourselves w/all this praise.
sorry, but when a WR commands double teams one a weekly basis, thats getting toward elite status. he isn't elite yet, cause he still needs to polish himself, but nobody is getting ahead with praise.
all WR's, even Megatron and Boldin drop passes. the guy is in his second year. he's 22.
i guess to me its like this. screw the risk. why does every other team have diva WR or players, are constantly making the playoffs.
holmes was smoking weed, oh wait...he made the superbowl winning catch.
i don't mean to be shallow, but i'll take a pot head taking us to the playoffs over "well respectable smart and tough" players like some of you and always be at the bottom of the afc north. i would like to see our team WIN.
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It was announced after TRich was traded that either/both Gordon and Little were both available.. that was when we were 0-2.. I think with each victory and with each solid performance, Gordon becomes less and less tradeable.. that or the price is going up and up...
I agree with Vers that it's a bit premature calling him the best WR in the AFC but I do not think the praise is unwarranted.. He is 6th in the NFL among WRs for yards per game, 13th in ypc.... He may have had a couple drops this week, he also catches a pass or 2 a game that are bailing out his QB.. so I'd consider it a wash...
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I think we are getting a little carried away w/this best WR stuff.
The guy dropped two more passes this week. His body of work isn't that impressive.
He has potential, but I think you guys are getting ahead of yourselves w/all this praise.
You have to agree that he has more potential than any WR we have had since Paul Warfield.
Carlton Mitchell thinks so too.
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Didn't Chud text Josh and tell him he wasn't going to be traded? 3 weeks until the trade deadline though.
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Didn't Chud text Josh and tell him he wasn't going to be traded? 3 weeks until the trade deadline though.
I didn't hear anything about that.
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Belichick would trade for Gordon at a low-end price.
Belichick disciples would trade Gordon for a low-end return.
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There is no way we would get what Gordon is worth on the field because of his actions off the field.
It's a really tough call, because he is one hell of a talent when he plays. He is one hell of a risk the rest of the time. I would hate to wind up with nothing for the investment we made in him ...... but I would also hate to just give him away.
Really tough call for the front office.
I agree. Been thinking about this one since it got posted and I think I have an answer for myself. 2nd round pick straight up for Gordon, no. Conditional trade for him I'd do - 2nd as base guarantee. If in the remaining 10 games (assuming it didn't happen this week) he had 48 catches or 600 yards (roughly top 25 receivers) for the 49ers, that moves up to a 1st rounder. If he had 60 catches or 800 yards for the 49ers(top 15 roughly), that moves up to a 1st and 5th. If he had 70+ catches or 950 yards (top 5 roughly), 1st and 3rd. SF gets at minimum what I've seen posted as the bait, and Cleveland gets extra insurance if he stays clean and produces.
I'm just not convinced he won't do something again, and maybe we're better off in the long run taking the pick (or picks)?
2 1sts and 2 2nds or 3 1sts and a 2nd is intriguing in this draft. A Tajh Boyd, Sammy Watkins, and Purifoy (tho unlikely to get all 3) early draft would be potentially an incredible draft (add in maybe a Gabe Jackson or RT if 3 1sts and a 2nd). Not that I want to get ahead of myself...
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jc..
Is there any "good behavior" clause in the drug program. Say Gordon has his 2 strikes, and stays clean for the next 7 years then tests positive, is that still a full third strike, or does he get some reprieve for staying clean for a length of time?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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