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I still make no deal that does not involve some kind of future conditional pick that can escalate to a 1st if he stays clean and performs.
It's bad enough that we have no QB and now RB, but to add a no1 WR to that list would mean we have to wait another 3-4 years till we have some kind of Offense.
A pick is nice, but no guarantee that you get a no1 WR back, those guys don't grow on trees.
sure they do. just look at green bay. 
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Just clicking,, part of me says, if you get the right deal, go with it. The other side of me says damn, they kid is very very talented. I'd hate to see him go.
In the end if it's the right deal, do it.
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hmmmm
if its a first round pick and the other player could be a starter, i'd have to listen. And i really like Gordon. But he is one strike for being out a year...... it would be a tough decision.
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Just clicking,, part of me says, if you get the right deal, go with it. The other side of me says damn, they kid is very very talented. I'd hate to see him go.
In the end if it's the right deal, do it.
Agreed. I honestly don't think they WANT to trade him, but they aren't going to just plug their ear and go na-na-na anytime the phone rings.
A general question for the purposes of throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks, say Washington offers up Helu Jr. and a 2, do you bite? LaMichael James and a 2 (this would probably have to be a cond. 1) from SF?
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I would trade him now. I don't care who your QB is, as a receiver, you need to be professional and work hard in every game. His body language and effort in GB was horrible.
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As long as we get something for Gordon. We got nothing for Braylon Edwards and KWII. We didn't use the picks we got very well. It remains to be seen how well we did on the T-Rich trade. All number one first round picks for us that we bombed on.
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A pick is nice, but no guarantee that you get a no1 WR back, those guys don't grow on trees.
You make it sound as though Gordon is a #1. He isn't. Setting aside his obvious multiple transgressions and idiotic videos showing his incredible immaturity and lack of smarts, he doesn't have the hands of a #1.
It actually sounds as though you're confused on what you want to do. You're concerned because "#1's don't grown on trees" but you'll trade him if the pick can become a 1st rounder.
If Josh Gordon truly is a #1 receiver in every sense of the word he's untouchable. I don't get the sense that he's remotely close to untouchable.
I think the Browns are quite content to "allow" the story of multiple offers to hit the media. It's driving up the price...
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Totally disagree. Gordon is a true #1 WR. He's played in 5 games this year and put up 146, 71, 86, 126, and 21 yards. That's 450 yards including the turd of a game he put up this week as 20% of his sample size. That's a 1,440 yard pace, which would have been 4th in the NFL last year. AND that's with Hoyer and Weeden throwing him the ball. The QBs for the top 4 wideouts last year were Matt Stafford, Matt Schaub (before he lost his mind), Jay Cutler, and Peyton Manning.
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Josh Gordon to the Patriots for Ryan Mallet and a 2nd round pick.
That's my guess.
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I know I must of missed something as I haven't been here enough: What's with the Texan symbol?
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No doubt in my mind that while Gordon was serving his suspension we put feelers out there. But this regime had not experienced one play from him in game day...just 2 games of him being suspended. So I get the feelers.
Now we have experienced his play n the kid is one of the best ELITE Prospects coming up as the older ones are starting to show some age n Injury.
We also have Detectives (believe every team has Detectives now a days) if we know that Gordon is hanging with the WRONG crowd still and is a Year Suspension waiting to happen we would have traded him or definitely will shortly.
I'm sort of glad we have not so that to me suggests that our reports on him are pretty good.
He has mad mad skills. Something many here have clamored for year after year during draft debates. Well he's here, get the kid a real QB (maybe Hoyer) and wow ELITE!
Also remember we are dealing with BOZOS...they already ASSume we are blowing the last regimes team up...my goodness we already "TRADED OUR BEST PLAYER" - so the Bozos continue on that train of thought - these are the Browns...new Regime they are going to auction off all their star players and start all over. But the Bozos are wrong. 
The only way we trade Gordon is if we think he will slide to the Dark Side n get suspended...that n only that reason.
The fact we have not already looms very well on that front!
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He's trying to champion the Colts' opponents in order to improve the position of the two picks we get from them.
This past week, it didn't work. So yeah... it's weird.
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Maybe I've just had enough and will root for anyone but the Browns. 
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Ahhh...thanks - got it. Glad it wasn't a Shoeless Joe Jackson moment - Say it ain't so Joe. 
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Josh Gordon to the Patriots for Ryan Mallet and a 2nd round pick.
That's my guess.
That's tough. It'll be a low 2nd rounder with the Pats in playoff contention, but imagine a 2nd round CB opposite Haden. I suppose a WR might be a bigger need, but there are lots of WRs available.
I don't know enough about Mallet to really have an opinion on him. If he's a Hoyer clone, I'd jump on it. We could have two game managers in Hoyer and Mallet AND we could use one of our first to take a young QB, maybe not Bridgewater, but he could groom behind those two.
That's right on the edge of my confort zone.
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He's absolutely not a Hoyer clone. Mallett's physical skillset is more like Weeden's actually. The question is, is his mental makeup more like Weeden or more like Hoyer. He's definitely a more fiery guy and was very successful at Arkansas facing tough teams every week, not the pitch-and-catch Big XII Weeden played in. He's also sat behind Brady for 2 1/2 years, so he's actually had someone to learn from. He's one of only two QBs on NE's roster, so I don't think he's actually up for grabs to be honest. They don't even have on on the Practice Squad. Their backup QB would probably become Edelman.
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That's tough. It'll be a low 2nd rounder with the Pats in playoff contention
I'd have to imagine that's the problem with most of the teams were are talking to. Most of these second rounders are low because the teams are looking to add a piece to make a playoff run.
I doubt a team that is struggling right now would give up a potential high 2nd rounder in 2014 for Gordon and one strike away. I'm assuming the player being added is an effort to improve on the low 2nd rounder issue. That's my guess.
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You make it sound as though Gordon is a #1. He isn't.
You're insane.
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Screw that.
The chances that he keep his nose clean are far greater than the chances of us getting another player of his caliber that lives up to folks' dreams of behaving.
Unless it is a ridiculous "you just cannot say no" type offer, you just do NOT do it..... and I'm talking half a draft plus future picks.
I understand the feeling. In some ways I feel that way.I just think that time and time again he has apologized and time and time again he has let his team, fans, and himself down.
Maybe the 4th or 5th time is the charm, who knows. I do know if we do it has to be for some nice compensation. I don't agree with half a draft woth of picks, but my earlier comment about a player and a 2nd was understated.
Either way I think we are in the drivers seat on this one. It seems teams have interest and we aren't overly eager to depart ways. If we do make a trade, it won't be for the proverbial "ham sandwich".
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He's absolutely not a Hoyer clone. Mallett's physical skillset is more like Weeden's actually. The question is, is his mental makeup more like Weeden or more like Hoyer. He's definitely a more fiery guy and was very successful at Arkansas facing tough teams every week, not the pitch-and-catch Big XII Weeden played in. He's also sat behind Brady for 2 1/2 years, so he's actually had someone to learn from. He's one of only two QBs on NE's roster, so I don't think he's actually up for grabs to be honest. They don't even have on on the Practice Squad. Their backup QB would probably become Edelman.
Okay, thanks.
Exactly, right after I hit enter on my post, I thought about their backup situation. No way they trade their #2 QB for a WR. Anything can happen in the NFL. Look at Chicago, if they didn't have Josh McCown, they'd be guaranteed to lose 4 more in a row (I suppose that's still possible for them, but Josh looked quite decent in that Skins game).
To be fair, any of us would jump at a trade to bring in a new QB. At this point, we have Weeden as our "dead man walking" and Campbell doesn't seem to want to play at all. ANY QB would look better than those two (okay, not Tebow, Quinn or Anderson).
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Josh Gordon to the Patriots for Ryan Mallet and a 2nd round pick.
That's my guess.
I'd sign up for that.
I'm not even big on Mallet, but I would probably take a 2nd rd alone for Gordon. Added bonus that you bring in someone who could make us not watch Weeden anymore. Win/win?
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If we trade Gordon, it's going to be the Redskins for Cousins and a 2nd rounder.
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That's tough. It'll be a low 2nd rounder with the Pats in playoff contention
I'd have to imagine that's the problem with most of the teams were are talking to. Most of these second rounders are low because the teams are looking to add a piece to make a playoff run.
I doubt a team that is struggling right now would give up a potential high 2nd rounder in 2014 for Gordon and one strike away. I'm assuming the player being added is an effort to improve on the low 2nd rounder issue. That's my guess.
This is where I'd ask for their 1st instead of the 2nd and then send back a 3rd. Heck, the Pats probably have two or three 1st rounders next year anyway.
Still not going to happen with their backup QB (unless we send back Weeden....in that case, we'd have to send them our extra 1st for them to accept him  )
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It's funny that you mention Mallet. Just this morning I was wondering about Mallet's contract. He has one more year after this year. I was thinking he might be a free agent. But that is not the case.
Belichick obviously would be open to a trade. He has done so in the past. After next year Mallet can walk so why not get something for him.
Would a trade of Gordon for Mallet be worth it if Belichick wanted to make the trade?
That is a great question. Gordon has talent and that talent is on display in the NFL. His fair market value is whatever someone is willing to pay.
Mallet's value is kind of hard to determine because he has not played. There is no NFL game tape to evaluate. You can only say well: "he has been the backup for Tom Brady for three years."
Size and arm strength - check. How much has he matured in three years?
How much has he learned and can he apply it in game conditions?
He is a talented passer but his NFL skills are at this point unknown.
So I would have to know more about Mallet. Not sure how you can get that information.
If the Jags would give up their number one then I would take it. It would have to be someone with a top three pick. I would want to be guaranteed to walk away with Bridgewater or Mariota.
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If we trade Gordon, it's going to be the Redskins for Cousins and a 2nd rounder.
But that's their backup QB. AND RG3 isn't really known for playing every game.
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Look at Chicago, if they didn't have Josh McCown, they'd be guaranteed to lose 4 more in a row (I suppose that's still possible for them, but Josh looked quite decent in that Skins game).
They're losing 3/4 at the very least. They aren't beating Green Bay, Detroit, or Baltimore with a McCown brother.
They are no longer that team that can get by scoring a touchdown on offense plus 14 from defense and special teams. I think those days are pretty much over.
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I think that is the Key. How determined are we towards getting a QB in the draft? To me, it is easier to replace a receiver then it is to get a QB. If hwe have to burn extra picks to move up, then it would be nice to still have some decent picks to supplement the team in other areas. Now, if we are starting to think Hoyer is the guy we go with, by all means keep Gordon. LOL....I tend to favor keeping Hoyer as the #1 and not moving up to draft a QB...take one if they fall to us, so I am beginning to talk myself out of trading Gordon!
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If we trade Gordon, it's going to be the Redskins for Cousins and a 2nd rounder.
But that's their backup QB. AND RG3 isn't really known for playing every game.
And we laugh all the way to the bank. 
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If the Jags would give up their number one then I would take it. It would have to be someone with a top three pick. I would want to be guaranteed to walk away with Bridgewater or Mariota.
Assuming you and this FO thinks Teddy is the next Luck/RG3, it's going to cost a lot more than a 2-strike WR to get that pick. I'd imagine the Jags will only listen to RG3-trade-like offers for their pick (but they also need a QB, so why would they trade away a pick when they need the best QB in the draft?).
The more I watch the QB class, the more I see a bunch of really good guys, not many can't miss QBs. I'm no Gruden QB guru, but when I've watched Teddy, I wasn't blown away. He looked very good, but he's also playing in a junky conference.
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If the Jags would give up their number one then I would take it. It would have to be someone with a top three pick. I would want to be guaranteed to walk away with Bridgewater or Mariota.
I think you're overstating in order to drive home a point, but I have a better chance of playing QB for the Browns this year then they do of landing a top 3 overall pick for Gordon...
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If the Jags would give up their number one then I would take it. It would have to be someone with a top three pick. I would want to be guaranteed to walk away with Bridgewater or Mariota.
I think you're overstating in order to drive home a point, but I have a better chance of playing QB for the Browns this year then they do of landing a top 3 overall pick for Gordon...
What if you said our 1 and Gordon for your 1?
I still don't think that's even but it's a little more realistic.
I just like to flip things around. If I'm Jacksonville, I'm not even entertaining offers unless 2014 and 2015 picks are brought to the table.
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If the Jags would give up their number one then I would take it. It would have to be someone with a top three pick. I would want to be guaranteed to walk away with Bridgewater or Mariota.
I think you're overstating in order to drive home a point, but I have a better chance of playing QB for the Browns this year then they do of landing a top 3 overall pick for Gordon...
What if you said our 1 and Gordon for your 1?
I still don't think that's even but it's a little more realistic.
I just like to flip things around. If I'm Jacksonville, I'm not even entertaining offers unless 2014 and 2015 picks are brought to the table.
I think that would be a realistic-ish first call offer, but yeah, the final deal would have to be much, much more then that.
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Look at Chicago, if they didn't have Josh McCown, they'd be guaranteed to lose 4 more in a row (I suppose that's still possible for them, but Josh looked quite decent in that Skins game).
They're losing 3/4 at the very least. They aren't beating Green Bay, Detroit, or Baltimore with a McCown brother.
They are no longer that team that can get by scoring a touchdown on offense plus 14 from defense and special teams. I think those days are pretty much over.
EXACTLY. I've been saying for a long time, the Bears are a .500 team when their defense/ST don't score a TD. At least that's how the L.Smith era played out. I think Trestman's gameplan is going to be better in the long run, but Cutler is so up and down and that defense is crazy injured.
Cutler is only supposed to be out 4 weeks, with their bye coming up this week, he should only miss three games. So I was wrong saying he's be out the next 4 games. I'm still not sold on the Lions and the Ravens look lost. The Bears will beat at least one of them and the other is a pickem. They'll get BLOWN UP by the Packers on Monday night. That's going to be bad, so bad.
And then they have the lifeless Rams, they could end up going 2-2 in November. That's not bad. It's not good, but it ain't bad.
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You make it sound as though Gordon is a #1. He isn't.
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Only time will tell on that one. But I believe they know they need a long term solution there.
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LOL....I tend to favor keeping Hoyer as the #1 and not moving up to draft a QB...take one if they fall to us, so I am beginning to talk myself out of trading Gordon!
We just saw last week how Taj Boyd and Hundley seemingly fell apart. Both were far less than impressive.
I don't buy into the "one falls to us" line of thinking due to various reasons. First, you yourself said it was hard to get a QB. So I don't believe that if you're looking for a long term answer at the QB position, you simply say "insert name here". Which is what you are doing when you say you "hope one falls to us".
I believe IF you plan to select a QB in round 1, you have to evaluate the QB's and have "your target". I don't believe you have a list of three and just hope one of those three are there.
As it pertains to Hoyer, we have all seen back ups come in and look great for a few games until our opponents get some game film on them. I certainly like wht I saw, but this fan base has been fooled many times by something I see as a very similar scenario.
I just believe the sample size is too small to consider him the answer at the QB position. Even if we draft a 1st rounder, I have no problem starting out the season with him as the starter. However, drafting later at the QB position and counting on Hoyer as a solution at QB I wouldn't see as a smart move.
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I laughed out loud after Schefter reported (tweeted) this yesterday. Jason Pinkston quickly responded with his own tweet to Schefter...."chill". The subsequent responses where kinda funny if anyone is so inclined to check them out.
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If we trade Gordon, it's going to be the Redskins for Cousins and a 2nd rounder.
But that's their backup QB. AND RG3 isn't really known for playing every game.
And we laugh all the way to the bank.
idk... It would have to be cousins and a first round pick from the Redskins before I would entertain it.
realistically, Gordon has all the skills to be a pro-bowler every year. He is rare is size speed strength and the guy is smooth- he looks like he is jogging and everyone else is sprinting.
Also, the dude is very very young and he seems to have learned from his mistakes. If he did and he stays healthy we are talking about a guy that makes it to Canton.
Redskins traded 3 first round picks for that type of talent... We should be getting 2 first rounds for what we have or a QB and a first round and late pick
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Bridgewater is most likely a lock to the Jags unless they like another quarterback better.
Bridgewater in my eyes is a better NFL prospect than Griffin was. The main reason is because he is a pure passer. He uses his legs only to move not run. He understands how to play quarterback. He makes throws according to the situation. He knows when to use arm strength and when to use touch. He has great vision and can throw from multiple platforms. He is graduating a year and half early which speaks volumes for his discipline and work ethic.
He commands the huddle. According to all reports he displays great leadership. Watch his game against Florida last year. He can play against his schedule. He is close to can't miss. Luck stands alone as the best prospect I have ever seen in college.
Mariota is probably more realistic for the Browns if he declares. But they could face stiff competition to get him.
Mettenberger and McCarron are solid prospects. Boyd and Hundley not interested. Hundley would be better served staying college. He needs another year.
There are others but we have till May to be looking and evaluating.
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If we trade Gordon, it's going to be the Redskins for Cousins and a 2nd rounder.
But that's their backup QB. AND RG3 isn't really known for playing every game.
And we laugh all the way to the bank.
idk... It would have to be cousins and a first round pick from the Redskins before I would entertain it.
realistically, Gordon has all the skills to be a pro-bowler every year. He is rare is size speed strength and the guy is smooth- he looks like he is jogging and everyone else is sprinting.
Also, the dude is very very young and he seems to have learned from his mistakes. If he did and he stays healthy we are talking about a guy that makes it to Canton.
Redskins traded 3 first round picks for that type of talent... We should be getting 2 first rounds for what we have or a QB and a first round and late pick
I like Gordon, but you're giving him a lot of credit and making one hell of an assumption. He's had some ridiculous drops lately. We don't really know where his head is in terms of having turned his behavioral corner. With respect to the team, with the way it's going, he may not even want to be here. The FO may know something we don't, and under the right circumstances, I say we make the trade and move on. His trade stock may be falling as we speak.
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