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Thompson led the league in having his shot blocked the most to having a jumpshot. I'll give Bennett time, but he needs to lose weight.
Sure, you have to give him time, but he does look flabby and basketball is a sport where good players make an impact day one.
This isn't looking good at all.
That's not true at all.
Thompson didn't make an impact day one.
Paul George averaged 8 points in his first season.
You can go up and down draft lotteries, and find guys that take a bit.
I'm sorry, but you're way off.
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I think most are willing to wait on a draft selection to get back into shape after an offseason surgery, work through his asthma and sleep apnea issues and adjust to the pro game on a smooth timeline. However, if you're the #1 overall pick, I think most expect a lot better production at this point, even with those issues. It's almost as if he was the #1 pick in the 2nd round. That's how he looks to me.
I'm willing to wait. I don't think the media is.
I don't think they expected him to be playing big minutes at this point. But come on, no points? How many wild shots has he had? How many airballs? He looks totally lost. It's as if he's gripping it even harder BECAUSE he was the #1 overall pick. And fans and the media are picking up on his struggles, which might make this worse.
I know it was a weak draft, but the media will still crush the #1 overall pick for being a bust (or at least looking like one at this point).
Also, is there a rookie playing well right now? I seriously don't know.
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He's an overall #1, but it was one of the weakest drafts in years. On top of it, there were 4 or 5 guys that could have been selected.
The good thing for him, is that he flies in under the radar. He's basically playing behind a possible future all star player in Thompson, and he's now in this system where you don't play unless you D up (unless you're name is Irving)
Yeah, if you treat him like former top picks like Lebron or Blake Griffin, or 2nd overall Kevin Durant, then yes, this is a horrible pick, but you all know that ain't fair at all.
Those type of players have an impact on day one.
We all knew going in that Bennett had a ways to go, I don't know why so many are surprised.
This wasn't the 2003 draft, I don't know why people are going nuts over this. It's literally been 4 games. I'm not even saying the guy is great, he could easily be a bust, it's the NBA for crying out loud, but to bury the guy now? That's laughable.
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Right now, the only guy really making a name for himself is Michael Carter-Williams (selected 11th by Philly) He's averaging 20 points through 4 games.
Oladipo isn't doing too bad.
Ben McLemore is not blowing up the league.
And the guy most had pegged for us, Nerlens Noel is hurt.
It's just way too early to judge any of these guys.
Don't forget, both guys were forced into starting spots.
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On top of that ... Len is averaging worse than Bennett in Points and Rebounds, and Otto Porter hasn't even played yet because of injury. Those were the names, along with Noel, that people wanted us to draft.
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no, everyone wanted us to draft MWC, obviously  seriously though, I did see Porter, Len, Noel as the most consensus, but there were some calls for Oladipo and C.Zeller and McLemore. Really showed how non-top heavy the draft was that so many names were being bandied about.
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I like Oladipo, I liked him at Indiana too, but I don't see how he could fit in with this team's current makeup.
Plus I think we have enough undersized guards.
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Actually he's averaging more points but the numbers are all so small that it's pretty much irrelevant. Len is coming off ankle surgery in the offseason, Porter is injured, Noel is injured.. Not a good start for most of them.
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Actually he's averaging more points but the numbers are all so small that it's pretty much irrelevant. Len is coming off ankle surgery in the offseason, Porter is injured, Noel is injured.. Not a good start for most of them.
and let's not forget Bennett is coming off shoulder surgery.
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The Lakers are 2 losses away from half of the "95-'96 Bulls, lmao.
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The Sixers are 3-1. Throw them up there.
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Thompson led the league in having his shot blocked the most to having a jumpshot. I'll give Bennett time, but he needs to lose weight.
Sure, you have to give him time, but he does look flabby and basketball is a sport where good players make an impact day one.
This isn't looking good at all.
That's not true at all.
Thompson didn't make an impact day one.
Paul George averaged 8 points in his first season.
You can go up and down draft lotteries, and find guys that take a bit.
I'm sorry, but you're way off.
We just think differently. I see top picks playing well right off the bat every year, and not so many blowing layups and unable to score a point for 3-4 straight games to start the career.. There are several players this year if you care to look who are playing well.
Has a #1 pick who wasn't hurt gone scoreless as long as this guy did?
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Probably not, but not many #1 overall players come in as second stringers.
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AB with a FG tonight. Prepare his bust for the HOF.
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I'm really impressed with Indy so far. I wouldn't be surprised if they knocked off Miami in the playoffs next Spring. Loooooooong way to go though.
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Man watching the game to night starting to remind of why I wasn't a big Mike Brown fan last time he was here...this offense is a joke, is the offense supposed to be dribble dribble dribble then take a 21ft contested shot, or the take 5 on 1 to the basket and whine when you miss and don't get the call. On defense Jack has been SCHOOLED all night by that pasty white kid and mayo has owned irving. We don't get better defense/offense out of our guards, 20 wins here we come. The Bucks are a really bad team and they are exposing us.
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Well ..... they came back to take the lead, but then mistakes did them in at the very end. They had this game in their hands, and let it slip away.
Defense got them back to the lead, but they just couldn't finish it.
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Kyrie hasn't played well at all at times this year..I don't see the same aggressiveness as in the past. His shot selection at the end was pure head scratcher.
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Wow. Horrible game. No defense. No FT shooting. No offensive ball movement. And to a team missing three starters and starting their 3rd string PG.
When are we going to a get a coach that can figure out how to defend the three-pointer?
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This is why I hated signing a defensive coach. Defense is soooo much easier to teach than offense is.
And we still can't defend.
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This is why I hated signing a defensive coach. Defense is soooo much easier to teach than offense is.
And we still can't defend.
On top of that, they have an inexperienced European guy in charge of the offense.
I think Mike Brown is a solid coach, but why does he do stuff like this? Bring in someone with experience. Why does he have to make this so hard on himself?
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This is why I hated signing a defensive coach. Defense is soooo much easier to teach than offense is.
And we still can't defend.
On top of that, they have an inexperienced European guy in charge of the offense.
I think Mike Brown is a solid coach, but why does he do stuff like this? Bring in someone with experience. Why does he have to make this so hard on himself?
So his ego has an excuse when things suck.
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I just think this time around, there really is no excuses. You have a point guard. You don't have to revolve everything around a guy bigger than the team, etc...
This is a talented young squad, and Dan Gilbert said it himself, they are not going back to the lottery in the spring.
It's still very early, but they have to look better. Kyrie Irving needs to look better.
I'm not jumping off the ledge or anything, but the way this team looks now, it's hard to believe they can rip off a 6 or 7 game streak. That's kinda what you need to do to make the playoffs.
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So his ego has an excuse when things suck.
Why would that be an excuse though? Would almost seem better to get a guy that knows what he's doing in there, so if things suck, you can at least say, "Well he should know what he's doing, ask him why things suck". If you put in a guy with no experience to run things ... then you look like the guy at fault.
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I'm not jumping off the ledge or anything, but the way this team looks now, it's hard to believe they can rip off a 6 or 7 game streak. That's kinda what you need to do to make the playoffs.
They really look Jeckyl and Hyde. I'm surprised Kyrie isn't more consistent. He was the one guy you'd expect to sort of be your rock. TT has been the most solid, but he's not your marquee guy. We really need our guards to step up and show some consistency.
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I can't decide who sucks more, Mike Brown, or Jarrett Jack...OMG what a horrible signing..i much rather have kept livingston over this scrub.. When he comes in, his guy goes off and we give up leads or turn close games into a blow out...we need someone else spelling irving.
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If this team doesn't improve, Grant might go down as the worst GM in all of professional sports history.
Yes, I'm talking guys like Matt Millen. How do you have essentially 4 top 5 picks and produce this roster?
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You draft Dion Waiters and Anthony Bennett in the top 5.
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I still say bennett will be the biggest bust in the last 15 years...and it won't even be close...dude sprained a shoulder running into a guard....
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We'll just have to wait and see how he turns out. It's way too early to make any form decisions about anyone on this team right now.
I mean, people blasted Grant for picking Tristan Thompson a couple of years ago, and he is going to be a double double guy this year. He might even wind up being a 15/12 guy.I think that he has the talent and drive to succeed.
I do think that it's painfully obvious that this team isn't 100% on the same page yet at either end of the court. I know that Brown wants to get the defense put together first, and then will worry about the offense. I think that both can happen at the same time, but I do understand his desire to get the defense in place. I think that anyone can see that the defense is ahead of the offense at this point .... by a mile.
We definitely need to start getting some scoring from the wings, and I do think that will come. Clark and Gee haven't given us much yet, and Karasev got his first action tonight, CJ Miles has been a pleasant surprise thus far, but really, Irving, Waiters, and Jack have all struggled thus far. Irving and Jack, especially, have track records of being effective, so there is no real reason to expect their problems to continue.
We'll see what happens with Bennett. I don't know if he will ever be a big time starter, but I do think that he can be a strong contributor on a winning team.
Last year I was absolutely disgusted by the lack of defense this team (didn't) played. They would get leads, and then just stand by while they evaporated. They had one of those this year, but they held on in that game.
The defense seems to be coming along, but the offense still has a ways to go. In fact, no one can really dispute the fact that we have improved defensively already. Now we have to get the offense working. last year we scored 96 PPG, (and allowed 101) and if we can just get back to that level, we can win a lot of games as long as we can maintain the current defensive effort. Maybe that's just blind hope .... I dunno .... but I think that it's a reasonable hope anyway Thus far we have only allowed 101 points one time out of 7 games. We are definitely still working outthe kinks on offense. I think that we'll get the offense going. We have too much talent for guys like Irving, Jack, and Waiters to all continue to struggle as they have thus far. I think that they will turn things around on offense, while maintaining their newfound defensive ability.
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They need to end the bynum experiment. It's obvious this guy is washed up. no sense giving him 20 minutes a night when he can't move on defense.
It just looks like a mismatch with the type of coach we have and the players. WE have an offensive minded team, yet brown is one of the poorest offensive coaches out there. I just don't get it. Don't try to be something you're not. That's what it looks like we're doing here. If brown doesn't get this turned around quickly, I would expect him to be fired very quickly.
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It just looks like a mismatch with the type of coach we have and the players. WE have an offensive minded team, yet brown is one of the poorest offensive coaches out there. I just don't get it. Don't try to be something you're not. That's what it looks like we're doing here. If brown doesn't get this turned around quickly, I would expect him to be fired very quickly.
Brown isn't going anywhere any time soon.
Bynum is working his way back from serious injury. Quite frankly, he's well ahead of where I thought he would be. I don't think that he'll be at 20 MPG real soon. He's at roughly 14 MPG, and is at 5.2 PPG, 3.8 RPG. and has 6 blocks already. That's not bad for a guy fighting his way back from major injury. Reportedly he worked his ass off all off-season to rehabilitate his knees. Why would you give up on him after 5 games?
As far as defense ..... that was the point of bringing Brown back. We were lousy on defense last year. We concentrated almost exclusively on defense in the preseason. We have gone from allowing over 100 points/game on average last year to only allowing 100 points once so far this year. The offense has suffered, mainly because of the time spent on defense, almost to the exclusion of the offense. However, the offense will get more attention in practice as the defense becomes more 2nd nature for these kids.
It's been 6 games. It's way too early for some of the freaking out I have seen.
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It just looks like a mismatch with the type of coach we have and the players. WE have an offensive minded team, yet brown is one of the poorest offensive coaches out there. I just don't get it. Don't try to be something you're not. That's what it looks like we're doing here. If brown doesn't get this turned around quickly, I would expect him to be fired very quickly.
Bynum at worst helps off the bench for this year. No point in getting rid of him right now. We're never big name traders that actually trade. So we don't need the cap space this year.
Bennett just needs to get his head out of his azz. The guy's supposed to be a scorer and he can't do that at all.
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Giving up less than 100 points per game is far less impressive a feat when you struggle to score 85. Scoring doesn't come quite as easily for a Mike Brown-coached team when it doesn't have one of the two best players on the planet.
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It's not me giving up on bynum, it's bynum himself. Didn't you read that article where retirement is still on his mind? You don't recover from chronic knees. this isn't an acl, or a broken leg. He has 2 bad knees, similar to brandon roy. He even said himself he is in pain from time to time, not being able to do the things he once did. The all star bynum, will probably never return...
As far as brown, there is way too much talent on offense to be ranked 2nd to last in scoring. Except for miles, no one is playing well. I've watched most of the 6 games, and it's just guys jacking up jump shots for the most part. With this group we should be scoring 100 pts a game. Yea defense is important, but the offense shouldn't be this bad. If we continue to score 88 pts a game, i'm not sure how brown keeps his job. This isn't phil jackson we're talking about.
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