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I'm so sick of the trade rumors. I can't wait for the deadline to pass.
At least we finally have players worth having a trade rumor about 
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j/c: The same people complaining about the "rumors" are the same people who never found one fault w/the previous regime. Amazing how that works.
And I am not buying that the pwaers feewings are going to be so hurt that they can't pway effectiveweee.
Give me a break.
There are rumors out there. Big deal.
Are you writing like Elmer Fudd? Is that what you are doing? REALLY? YOU? ELMER FUDD? NO WAY! 
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The pwaers feewings are hopefully much more based on what the staff is saying behind closed doors than what some folks are speculating about in the media.
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The pwaers feewings are hopefully much more based on what the staff is saying behind closed doors than what some folks are speculating about in the media.
It still smacks of the old Roger "Word is" Brown days. I didn't like it then and I don't really need it in my life now. I'd much rather wait and deal in fact, than burn calories and brain cells dealing with this speculative junk.
Forget about the effect on players... I hate the way it effects me and the fan base.
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If you read what was written and watch the video, he doesn't even claim to have any sources for any of this... It looks like he looked at current teams rosters and records, and speculated on who might fit in where...
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Browns organization can't keep the team together, yet they want me to keep rooting for them.
They don't even WANT to keep the team together, yet they want me to keep rooting for them. That is total Bull!
11 games left in the year. Ya, I can't expect this team will even QUALIFY fot he playoffs, for the 11th straight Year! Yet I was looking for small goals
Small goals
I clicked on here, to ask the question; With 11 games left, How many games must this team win to get a Sunday night game in 2014? I figure a Monday night game is out of the question.
Maybe if the Browns can win 7 total, maybe it would be great to see Cincinnati AT Cleveland be a Sunday Nighter in 2014.
Instead I'm reading rumors of how they might Send the 2nd best WR on this team out to pasture AGAIN!!!!!!!! Like I haven't seen that about a DOZEN! TIMES in recent memory?
Gimme a Break! I''ve so Had it with this organization!
This is the Kind of stuff I'm talking about when I say this it he Most Unstable Franchis in all of Professional Major League Sports!
If Everybody who plays any good for your team gets shipped off to another team, Hmm, don't you start to think you are being played for a fool, and That your team is really just MINOR LEAGUE and what is really happening is that player is getting a Call up to the Majors?
Anyway, All they have to do is win 4 of the next 11, go 4 and 7 here on out, and they can make a reasonable case to get a Sunday Night game in 2014.
The only thing constant about this team is the uniforms; and that is something that probably Should be changed, somehow, just to change the fortunes.
I slot them to probably lose the next 3, maybe they can go 4-4 in the final 8 to go 7-9.
Somebody is trying to tell me Davonne Bess is better than Greg Little and should start; I don't see it yet. Prove it.
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I would be all for a trade involving either little or Schwartz or both. Little is a bad #2. He drops way too many passes and really doesn't get very much separation. How much could you get for him is the question. I doubt anything better than a 5th rounder.
I think Schwartz would be way overvalued by teams needing OL help. I think he has been below average and if we could get a 4th or 5th rounder, I would take it in a second.
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Sad.
Schwartz may not be all-world, but he is definitely the absolute best we've had at that spot since Ryan Tucker and I do NOT understand trading that away for nothing more than the hope of finding something better.
This FO is freaking Draft-Happy.
Or maybe they like someone else for the position. I'm sure that they probably didn't value Schwartz as highly as the last regime did and if they could recoup something for Schwartz or Little, they'll consider offers.
Honestly, there are players that I preferred for the RT spot over Schwartz that were available when he was taken. I think that he was totally overdrafted and I wouldn't mind if the front office got something in return for him.
The same applies for Little. However, I could imagine moving Little to the lead RB spot if he can't be traded. He played that position for two of his three college seasons.
As for the accusation that they are 'draft happy', I don't really see that as a bad thing at all.
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Then why explicitly state Schwartz and Little?
The answer to that question is that the most noticeable injuries have come at the OL and WR spots. The market for them would seem to be the best opportunity for generating the best value for the Browns in any trade.
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Can't believe how many people getting their panties in a wad over such bogus non factual reporting.
The trade for TRich looks like an excellent move right now.
Believing every rumor spread by a writer who gets paid to stir sh*t up with no basis of truth is mind blowing. . . do y'all still believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa too? If so I have some sad news for you.
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Browns organization can't keep the team together, yet they want me to keep rooting for them.
They don't even WANT to keep the team together, yet they want me to keep rooting for them. That is total Bull!
11 games left in the year. Ya, I can't expect this team will even QUALIFY fot he playoffs, for the 11th straight Year! Yet I was looking for small goals
Small goals
I clicked on here, to ask the question; With 11 games left, How many games must this team win to get a Sunday night game in 2014? I figure a Monday night game is out of the question.
Maybe if the Browns can win 7 total, maybe it would be great to see Cincinnati AT Cleveland be a Sunday Nighter in 2014.
Instead I'm reading rumors of how they might Send the 2nd best WR on this team out to pasture AGAIN!!!!!!!! Like I haven't seen that about a DOZEN! TIMES in recent memory?
Gimme a Break! I''ve so Had it with this organization!
This is the Kind of stuff I'm talking about when I say this it he Most Unstable Franchis in all of Professional Major League Sports!
If Everybody who plays any good for your team gets shipped off to another team, Hmm, don't you start to think you are being played for a fool, and That your team is really just MINOR LEAGUE and what is really happening is that player is getting a Call up to the Majors?
Anyway, All they have to do is win 4 of the next 11, go 4 and 7 here on out, and they can make a reasonable case to get a Sunday Night game in 2014.
The only thing constant about this team is the uniforms; and that is something that probably Should be changed, somehow, just to change the fortunes.
I slot them to probably lose the next 3, maybe they can go 4-4 in the final 8 to go 7-9.
Somebody is trying to tell me Davonne Bess is better than Greg Little and should start; I don't see it yet. Prove it.
Settle down, its all speculation, nothing cited at all. How many rumors actually come to fruition? Were you this upset when we moved TRich?
Also your standards seem woefully low. Lets get a good enough record so we can get on Monday Night Football? Is that serious? It almost reads as satire.
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I look at Schwartz as a 2nd rounder, and I think he has 2nd round talent. He struggled for 2 games. He and the rest of the line have looked that much better.
That being said we'd have to get value of a starter in return in my opinion. He isn't a guy the current management brought in, so if they deem he's not a good fit, then move him. That's how I look at it.
Little...I mean our offense has been better since he got benched. He's had great work ethic, but his gameday focus is mediocre at best. And his indifference to traffic laws is a concern, though not a HUGE gamble...but, I feel like a DUI is right around the corner. He worries me there.
On the field though, Bess has improved the offense more than Little has. I feel like we could use other guys and get similar production (even someone like Gurley) and we wouldn't lose a step. A la TRich. Same kinda thing.
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He isn't a guy the current management brought in, so if they deem he's not a good fit, then move him. That's how I look at it.
This is how I look at it. If the coaches and front office feel that a guy doesn't fit, and they can get value for him in a trade, they they should trade him.
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On the field though, Bess has improved the offense more than Little has. I feel like we could use other guys and get similar production (even someone like Gurley) and we wouldn't lose a step. A la TRich. Same kinda thing.
I don't know if it holds true after the Bills game, but they showed the statistic that Bess leads the league in 3rd down conversions.
I'm not sure what Little would lead the league in aside from possibly drops 
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He isn't a guy the current management brought in, so if they deem he's not a good fit, then move him. That's how I look at it.
This is how I look at it. If the coaches and front office feel that a guy doesn't fit, and they can get value for him in a trade, they they should trade him.
That's all well and good, but who do they plug in at RT after Schwartz is gone? With Hoyer gone and Weeden and Campbell our only QB's, do you risk getting them beat into the ground? Unless I got a choice that's equal too or better than Schwartz, I don't trade him now. In the off season, that's a whole different story.
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Unless I got a choice that's equal too or better than Schwartz, I don't trade him now.
If we should trade Schwartz (which I am opposed to), what are our options at RT? Possibilities would be Pinkston, Butler, and perhaps Gilkey. I'm certain that the coaching staff knows their personnel WAY better than I do, but the options don't particularly excite me. Butler is our backup LT, but Schwartz is a possibility there as well as in the 2012 Senior Bowl, the NFL coaches moved him to LT and he performed very well. I say keep Schwartz... 
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Unless I got a choice that's equal too or better than Schwartz, I don't trade him now.
If we should trade Schwartz (which I am opposed to), what are our options at RT? Possibilities would be Pinkston, Butler, and perhaps Gilkey. I'm certain that the coaching staff knows their personnel WAY better than I do, but the options don't particularly excite me. Butler is our backup LT, but Schwartz is a possibility there as well as in the 2012 Senior Bowl, the NFL coaches moved him to LT and he performed very well. I say keep Schwartz...
Exciting alternatives aren't they? LOL Unles they have a handle on a one year sub like they did with McGahee, then no, don't do it,
the thing is, I'm not at all sure they can upgrade from Schwartz unless maybe they get someone in the 1st round.. even then it's a crap shoot.
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NRTU by the way  The documented struggles of Joeckel and Fisher should serve as a reminder that 1st round OL do not always stud out. The dictionary entry reads see Gallery, Robert. Schwartz was very good as a rookie; started poorly this year. Perhaps some of that was the new scheme, some of it not having Lava next to him as continuity is a huge thing for the OL. I wouldn't trade him. You won't get the value for who is a decent starter, who is young and has real upside. I'd take Schwartz over Fisher or Joeckel (who I know is now on IR) based on performance alone. Bird in the hand and all that 
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I meant different guys than Little, definitely not Bess, he has great value.
I meant we could replace Littke with other guys and not lose production.
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I was agreeing with you. Just the silly way I wrote it sounded contradictory
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IMO, I think this whole thing is a crock o' crap. I see no way they trade Schwartz. I think this is all speculative crap by a writer looking for someone to read his crap. Since they traded TR, it seems like all kinds of talking heads have put it upon themselves to try and stir up the fanbase by making crap up and printing it. They have no idea what this FO is doing, and so they just write things to get a reaction. Your team wins three games straight, so your going to trade two starters, GMAFB. People are so gullible 
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IMO, I think this whole thing is a crock o' crap. I see no way they trade Schwartz. I think this is all speculative crap by a writer looking for someone to read his crap. Since they traded TR, it seems like all kinds of talking heads have put it upon themselves to try and stir up the fanbase by making crap up and printing it.
They have no idea what this FO is doing, and so they just write things to get a reaction.
Your team wins three games straight, so your going to trade two starters, GMAFB. People are so gullible
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Agree 100%. Can't believe all these drama queens that get upset over something like this.
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Yep. I tend to agree. Would we be a better team if they had been Randall Cobb and Cordy Glenn? Very possibly, but they're both good players with potential and we don't have something better to put in their spot. I think this is just smoke as well.
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I havent much taken this seriously on Schwartz...but, again if thats what they decide, so be it.
This is the 2nd time Little has been mentioned though as he was mentioned after TRich was shipped out and they said potentially Little and Gordon as well. Since this is twice there may be more behind us trying to make a move on Little.
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I think most of the stuff printed and spoken on TV, is all speculation anymore. I watch these former players and FO people make statements all the time without proof. It has become just like the national "news". It is all opinion and very little facts.
It seems this year, besides the TR trade, the press has had little to bash the Browns with. Even though the franchise has been at the bottom so long, there should still be some respect for any organization. Yet I watch these shows, and see former players dismissing this team rather rudely quite frequently. I was watching the pregame Thursday, and besides Micheal Irvin, the rest of the commentators were almost laughing at the thought of a good Browns team. Rich Eisen, who I wonder how he ever got to where he is, is the worst.
These guys are on TV for themselves, not to be journalists. They all want to have the comment that gets repeated, or makes the others laugh. Very little breakdown of the upcoming game is done, it is all about what they think, and no facts. But I must say, Irvin did, bring up some good comments about the team, and used previous plays to back up his statements.
I find it hard to listen while many games are on, do to the fact that the commentators all seem to act as if they are all experts. You don't need to be an expert on how to play the game to call a game, the idea is to describe the action, not to say what you think of it or a certain player. They are called play by play announcers for a reason. But too many time, instead of describing, or even showing a replay of the previous play, they waste time commenting on a certain player, or even talk about a different team then the ones playing.
The Browns traded a #3 pick after two games. That was unexpected and a little shocking. But all the comments from the media afterward were just a bunch of crap. Especially the one claiming the team was tanking the season. They used their opinion as if it were fact, and thus the next guy throws out some crap, and the next thing you know, fans are believing stuff with no actual merit or proof to back it up.
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New front office....all there doing is tossing out names and seeing what reaction / offers they get for diffrent players,
We all know little can be replaced, toss his name out and see what offers we get, FO will never know if they dont try....Little has low value we might get a 3rd round or 4th round....Well Atlanta needs a WR bad so if we toss littles name out there and they offer us a 2nd rounder...Well ...it's all a game of player VS value....plain & simple.
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I think most of the stuff printed and spoken on TV, is all speculation anymore. I watch these former players and FO people make statements all the time without proof. It has become just like the national "news". It is all opinion and very little facts.
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+1... add to it the ESPN crap... Mike and Mike pick up some article or blog from some writer... say La Canfora (sp) they repaet it.. then Cowherd repeats the same thing (in his words), then SVP, then the Coach then whoever is next.. pretty soon you have a ESPN circle jerk where they are patting each other on the back ( or fro nt ) about what great reporters they are.
In reality they are self perpetuating regurgitating parrots
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Rich Eisen, who I wonder how he ever got to where he is, is the worst.
I think Eisen is the best at his job out of any of the studio guys.
I found him to be nearly as insufferable as Olberman. He comes across as though he knows something we don't...stalls out on sharing the info...and revels in it.
There's one or two ESPN Sportscenter guys who drive me bonkers as well.
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Eisen , to me, has no personality. How he got on TV baffles me. He always looks smug and acts the same. He tries to funny like Berman used to be but fails. He is all about praising the obvious, and being very sarcastic towards losing teams.
IMO, the NFL network is terrible. Just a showcase for explayers to come and talk smack on present players.
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I had really hoped for better when they launched.
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Agreed.
I had really hoped for better when they launched.
There is not much there that is worthwhile anymore. When it first started, I enjoyed it, but now, unless there is a pre game, game or Post game show, it's just a rehash of another rehash..
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You just don't like him because he went to Michigan.
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No personality? Rich Eisen? We are talking about the same guy right? He has more personality than any of the pregame guys. His annual 40 yard dash at the combine is hilarious.
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You mean to say that you don't find Nicole Zaloumis...shall we say "interesting"?
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You just don't like him because he went to Michigan.
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