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Our curse is not Hoyer's injury, it's watching Weeden.
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I accepted that truism long ago.
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Man, it's gotta change sometime.
Maybe this FO knows what they are doing???? I am not too happy that they are sticking w/Weeden, though.
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Yep. I'm still confident that it will. This FO has (at least on the surface) made some pretty good initial moves. I like how much attention they paid to giving Ray Horton the players he needed to run his 3-4. I fully expect them to treat the O the same way this upcoming offseason. I also like how they apparently deferred to the new coaches, allowing them time to look at our players... instead of cleaning house and starting with nothing. Sheard was a great example of that.
It's hard for a lot of folks to see Weeden back under center, after seeing the snappy-looking play of Hoyer in those two games. I get it. At the same time, I see no other viable alternative that would give us any better results. For the time being, he really is about all we have.
One other thing for folks to think about: If some sort of light doesn't go on for him in the next 2 games, we'll be watching Campbell play whether the coaching staff likes it or not. Weeden's play in the second half of yesterday's game convinced me that it's only a matter of time before he winds up on IR right next to Hoyer.
I should be as depressed, angry and homicidal as many other posters on here, but I'm not. I just sort of have that same familiar numbness that automatically shows up in Brownstown during October. Different circumstances (as always); same general feel.
We'll win a few more this year, and as long as it is better than 5-11, it means our new FO was at least getting some things right that the previous FO didn't. Progress of a sort... but not the exciting turnaround we were all starting to anticipate 2 weeks ago.
At the beginning of the season I thought we'd see some bumps, potholes and bad days from this team. It's only logical to assume that, given the reality of our team's status. Well, they're here now, and Hoyer can't help us. For me, the rest of this season will be for watching what kind of character these young men have. If they roll over and play dead, I'll stop watching them for the rest of the season. If they fight through adversity, they'll have my respect and support, even in a loss. It's about the only thing I can do, Vers.
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About 29 teams can probably say that.
But we would improve the most, as we would be starting from the lowest spot.
Texans fans disagree but I get what ur saying....
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I just got a chill... LOL Think of how much better we were with Hoyer, now slot Rogers in there and wow. Rogers to Gordon or Cameron.. Chills I tell you, Chills
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Isnt it intresting how those 29 teams passed over him in the draft or 22 of those 29 teams....
Just goes to show, GM & Player personell have NO clue who's gonna work out and who's gonna flop...Granted were 0-41 but were due.....Baby were due... 
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Of course. He is the best qb in the league right now.
No, Peyton Manning is by far the best QB in the league RIGHT NOW.
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Yeah, Manning is insane.
He makes it look so easy. The last time I saw a professional play a sport with other professionals where they appeared to be a couple of notches above was Michael Jordan. Manning is currently the Michael Jordan of the NFL.
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He makes it look so easy. The last time I saw a professional play a sport with other professionals where they appeared to be a couple of notches above was Michael Jordan. Manning is currently the Michael Jordan of the NFL.
It is awesome to watch someone so good at what they do. I agree with MJ, I would also put Tiger Woods in that category(when he was at his peak).
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Nice post, bro. I'm numb, too.
I was so excited for awhile. It was like the old days. Hoyer got hurt and I just sat there in some sort of a stupor [I know, you think I am always in one...LOL]. But really, the life went out of me. The energy. You can see it w/the team, too.
I'll still watch the Browns...........no matter what. But sometimes, it's like torture. I keep thinking that if I really, really bash Weeden...........karma will rise up and bite me in the butt. That would be cool, because it would mean that Weeden would play at least decently and we could win some games.
Thus far, it hasn't worked.
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Of course. He is the best qb in the league right now.
No, Peyton Manning is by far the best QB in the league RIGHT NOW.
Obviously, this is a very subjective analysis. I can readily see why you say that, but I disagree and say Rodgers is the best right now. No, his numbers are not as good, but man, he isn't playing w/the same deck.
Don't get me wrong, I love Manning. It was so cool to see him come back after being discarded. He is a pro's pro. But, I think Rodgers is the better qb.
Again, it's subjective. I understand where you are coming from, especially if stats are your guide.
Here is how I would rank the top 5 QBs in the game.........as of today:
1. Rodgers: Great athlete. Great arm. Smart. Quick release. Can scramble. Reads coverages well. Accurate as all get out.
2. Luck: He is like Rodgers in almost every aspect. Just younger.
3. P. Manning: Smart. Hard worker. Professional. Great arm. Accurate. Sometimes gets rattled under minimal pressure.
4. Brees: Great anticipation. Bold. Extremely accurate. Sometimes his mistakes compound on one another.
5. Brady: Gamer. Accurate. Leader. Driven. Needs a ton of time to be successful.
Again, it's subjective. My analysis.
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Luck before Manning?
That's pretty bold.
I might put Luck at number 5 on your list and bump everyone else up. Could definitely see the argument of Rodgers over Manning, but I just can't there right now. Not with what Manning is doing in Denver.
And Rodgers has a complete stud squad too. Nelson, Cobb, Jones, Finley. It's not like he couldn't do what Manning is doing in Denver in Green Bay.
But like you said it's subjective and a lot of it is splitting hairs. I do think Rodgers is awesome. That performance in the Super Bowl was nothing short of amazing. I've never seen ball placement like that before.
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me neither.... but i just don't really see any other option at this point. I'm surprised they didn't kick the tires on Freeman. But who else is available at this point??? This team just looked and felt so much different with Hoyer under center. Yeah, his pass % was about the same as Weeds- but i think the difference was when he completed those passes (3rd down).
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I want to see somebody else get a shot. What does he have to do (how many, sacks/losses/ picks) before he sits. Hoped after his injury outage,Weeds might come back sharper and brighter. Nope. So, other than injury, what does one need to do to get yanked? Or who does one need to impress to get a shot at starting/playing when Weeds looks worse to me than the spin would suggest. And if we are to keep him in, why not do some stuff that attacks, that hurts defenses. Where are the digs, TE seams, swings, screens, attacking middles of the field?Or is it impossible for him to process and perform. Most frightening words are "We have a lot of games left, a lot of football to be played . . . .". I pray it isn't indifferent crap like I saw Sunday. This team played harder for Hoyer and had a fire in its belly. It does not do so now. It must be either they played harder because it was Hoyer and his style of play, or because it was not Weeds and his habits. He seems genuinely not coachable in at least several areas. I failed to notice much progress in his game from last year. 
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but who?
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No, Peyton Manning is by far the best QB in the league RIGHT NOW.
With all do respect, what does Manning do better? Rodgers can read defenses just as well, throw as accurately, can throw stronger passes and is deadly with his legs.
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Maybe this FO knows what they are doing???? I am not too happy that they are sticking w/Weeden, though.
I just have to ask....... How would us being better at QB this year, help us get a top QB to help us in the long run?
IF this FO wants to draft one of the top 3 QB's rated in next years draft, how would drafting in the middle of the draft be better than drafting in the top 10?
I understand they went out and got Hoyer. I also understand that with only having two games to judge him on, it would be almost impossible to say he's a franchise QB.
With all of those things considered, I don't see how winning four or five more games this year would help our cause moving forward for the long haul.
I don't believe either of us know who they are or will be targeting at QB in the draft. But I do believe when push come to shove, one mediocre season verses getting that franchise QB, I'll take the QB.
I don't consider that tanking the season, but rather playing the hand you were dealt.
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You've gotta get rid of the losing mentality in the lockeroom at some point. Won't shock me if guys like Mack and Ward get tired of it and leave. Then Haden might feel the same way next year. You can always says "well we have money!" Well so do 31 other teams. I'd rather our guys look and win then be forced to trade up for a QB then for guys to suck and lose then realize we have a bunch of needs.
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Back to Charles Johnson ........ Only we could do this .... Cleveland Browns Football News - NFL Coverage - cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/team/1381954032-637-365/browns-receiver-charles-johnson-has.htmlBrowns receiver Charles Johnson, signed a week ago from the Green Bay Packers practice squad, has a torn knee ligament, a team spokesman said on Wednesday. Browns doctors discovered a torn anterior cruciate ligament during a physical. Johnson will be placed on the non-football injury list and require surgery, team spokesman said. 
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Browns receiver Charles Johnson, signed a week ago from the Green Bay Packers practice squad, has a torn knee ligament, a team spokesman said on Wednesday.
Browns doctors discovered a torn anterior cruciate ligament during a physical.
Johnson will be placed on the non-football injury list and require surgery, team spokesman said.
That's incredible. So do we still own his rights or is he shipped back to GB like Moffett was? Very odd.
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We retain his rights and he counts against the roster for the next two weeks. When a player is signed off a practice squad you are not allowed to give them a physical first.
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We retain his rights and he counts against the roster for the next two weeks. When a player is signed off a practice squad you are not allowed to give them a physical first.
Either we REALLY liked him and also wanted to get some info from him about the Packers ... or we really have some bad luck haha
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Browns receiver Charles Johnson, signed a week ago from the Green Bay Packers practice squad, has a torn knee ligament, a team spokesman said on Wednesday.
Browns doctors discovered a torn anterior cruciate ligament during a physical.
Johnson will be placed on the non-football injury list and require surgery, team spokesman said.
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but, he's bad, bad, Levi Brown. baddest OT in the whole dang town.
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Which is why trying to find a scrub to fill in for the last half of the season doesn't seem like a logical approach.
I don't see this as having a losing attitude or mentality. You play the best you can with what you have. I just don't feel Weeden or somebody on a waiver wire or practice squad will help us win many games.
I don't see making such a move having an impact on the locker room either way.
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Well, there's still some nice talent on PS around the league, how about:
WR Coby Hamilton - CIN
RB Ray Graham - HOU
WR Nwachukwu -HOU
WR T.King -DEN
QB M.Scott - JAX
ILB JaG Davis - NE
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Matt Scott is definitely worth a look as a third string/potential backup. I know we had him in for a visit pre-draft.
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I second this ... I didn't realize he was on a PS
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Kind of odd to me how four of the eleven under-the-radar prospects I highlighted last year ended up on the Pats: DT Joe Vellano (active) DT Chris Jones (active) DT AJ Francis (PS) LB Ja'Gared Davis (PS)  
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I have an '84 Chevy pickup with 657,546 miles on it the rides, drives, looks like and is better then a new truck! No need to examine it. No need to have a mechanic look at it. Just sign right here.
How stupid can you get? Sign a guy with known injury problems history without requiring a physical. Next, a kicker with two prosthetic legs.
We are the laughingstock of the NFL. The good side of this is that we make it so easy for un talented mediocre sports writing hacks to find material to write about.
More idiots in the front office.
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Again, you are not allowed to give a physical to a guy before you claim him off another team's practice squad. It is somewhat of a "blind" process.
It is our luck that this kind of thing would happen to us ...... but there's no way to foresee it. You aren't going to call the team for a health update before you put in a claim ... and once you do put in a claim, you own that player's contract for 3 weeks, and he gets a roster spot for 3 weeks .... no matter what condition he's in.
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Don't you know we should just assume every player we want has a torn ACL?
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In fairness, I didn't realize that a team couldn't give a player on another team's practice squad a physical before signing them until I read it on here. I didn't know that you had to sign them "bind".
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You also didn't make a bull in a china shop post about how our front office is a bunch of idiots because they didn't know that a guy who was practicing had a torn ACL.
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Questions surround new Brown Johnson's knee injury The newest Cleveland Brown is no longer on the roster. The team announced Wednesday that wide receiver Charles Johnson, signed last weekend off the Green Bay Packers practice squad, has a torn ACL and has been placed on the non-football injury list. Per NFL rules, players signed off another team's practice squad must be on the active roster of the signing team for at least three weeks. That means even though the Browns have moved him off their active roster, he still counts against the 53-man roster count for two more games. Players on practice squads make about $6,000 per week this season. When another team calls, they don't have to leave and sign there, but many do. A seventh-round rookie who went through the spring and summer with the Packers before being waived and placed on the practice squad, Johnson decided to pursue the opportunity with the Browns and signed an active-roster contract with the Browns last Saturday. Sometime between that Saturday signing and, say, Monday afternoon, Johnson came to Cleveland and was put through a Browns physical. Eventually, it was revealed he had a torn ACL. On Wednesday the Browns announced they'd placed Johnson on the reserve-non football injury list. That's different from reserve-injured in one key regard. On the NFI list, the Browns don't have to pay him beyond one game check, which for most rookies is a little less than $24,000 before taxes. That's not to say they won't pay him, or that the blame for this goes on the Browns. It's just that something's missing -- and Johnson's NFL future is on hold aw he's headed for surgery, and the Browns are down a player from their 53-man roster for the next two-plus weeks There might be some interesting, awkward handshakes between decision makers when the Browns visit Lambeau Field this weekend. What's left to mystery -- at least for now -- is when and how Johnson got injured. He'd spent six weeks on the Packers practice squad, so it's a safe assumption to think he'd been participating in Packers practices. Teams don't have to list practice squad players on their weekly injury report, but there's really no point in paying a player to be on the practice squad if he's not going through practices and at very least giving the starters a look on the scout team while honing his skills. Only after signing with the Browns was it revealed that Johnson has a season-ending injury. At least based on what we know right now, it's a no-win situation all the way around http://www.foxsportsohio.com/nfl/clevela...amp;feedID=3725
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I was not aware of the fact that a team cannot give a physical to a player signed frm the practice squad or on waivers. Terribly sorry that my ignorance and lack of patience, lack of confidence an d complete frustration that I have built up in 40+ years as a Browns fanhas put your lace under drawers in such a knot.
Someday, if you are fortunate enough to live long, you will know the humor I find in a wet behind the ears ego laden bully using a computer screen as courage to make disparaging remarks about a guy who simply isn't as smart as you, who gets angry, goes off and finds himself ridiculed.
Thank you for correcting me and the spanking.
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Okay. I'm no genius but, I question the wisdom in signing a player who missed all summer with an MCL injury (which is the most common knee injury and is graded in a three step severity) onto the regular roster. Knowing that the Packers were still evaluating him since his return to their practice squad would probably be a clue that we should start him there so we can evaluate him. Then we wouldn't be shy a roster spot for two more weeks and we wouldn't be needlessly paying a player who can't play needlessly and foolishly. However, if it is impossible to sign a player from another teams practice squad to your own practice squad, without being able to make him subject to a physical per whatever league or union rules exist, I am totally unaware of that fact. As any business owner or manager knows, your people are the greatest resource you can have. Making decisions that lessen the over all effectiveness of the roster (I.e. Staff) doesn't make good business sense. That being the case, I question the wisdom in this decision and hence I question the decision making process utilized by the front office individuals who are charged with that task. Now, possibly we truly are looking way ahead to next year and see some real promise in this young man. Giving up a roster spot for two weeks to obtain a player possible of a complete recovery and the undeniable probability that he would be a big league possible All-Pro player does make sense. That would provide even more questions, though, regarding how serious we are about making this season successful. But, like I said, I am not the sharpest pencil in the box, and I'm often wrong. Just ask my wife of 34+ years.  Left behind at WR, rookie Charles Johnson returns
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