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I'll be shocked if Sefarian-Jenkins is there in the 2nd round. He has some character concerns but he is also one of the most talented tight ends ever.
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I'd be fine taking him with the colts 1 and switching in Roby at corner.
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With the way these ultra athletic tight ends are killing the league I would not be surprised if he went top fifteen. He's not a horrible blocker either, as most of these new hybrid tight ends are.
(Note: I did not say he was a good blocker, just not horrible.)
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Glad you guys had a great time.
Yeah, the Ohio State game day experience dwarfs the Brown's game day experience. I do think the new guys are trying to improve things, but they have a long, long way to go.
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Watkins is a special talent, but there is something missing upstairs.
I really like Mike Evans from A&M. I despise taking WRs early, but that guy is a true stud.
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1a) Mike Evans, WR Texas A&M
1b) Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB Oregon
2) Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, TE Washington
3) Stephen Morris, QB Miami
4a) Denzel Perryman, ILB Miami
4b) Josue Matias, OG FSU
5) Carlos Hyde, RB OSU
6) Larry Webster, OLB Bloomsburg
7) Ethan Westbrooks, DE West Texas A&M
THROW LONG all day.
I like a number of these but Sefarian-Jenkins won't be available in the 2nd round. Hyde won't be around in the 5th. Westbrooks will also be gone by the 7th.
I like Jordan Matthews out of Vandy and Jace Amaro from Tech too.
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What round was Jonathan Franklin supposed to go in at this time last year? Montee Ball? RBs are going to drop. 1st round RBs are going to be the exception until something fundamentally changes in the NFL. It's going to push guys down.
I like ASJ but I don't think he's an athletic freak. I think he's a good and smart blocker, he is big and strong, and is a very talented pass-catcher. He's not as athletic as Gronk and he's not near Cameron's athleticism, but I think with his size and strength he can make a big impact. He's got enough speed to be a significant contributor.
I don't know, that's what I see anyways.
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What round was Jonathan Franklin supposed to go in at this time last year? Montee Ball? RBs are going to drop. 1st round RBs are going to be the exception until something fundamentally changes in the NFL. It's going to push guys down.
I didn't say that Hyde was going to be a first rounder. He'll be gone by the 5th round though.
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Which is why he'll be gone before the 2nd round.
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Purdue might be the worst team in Division 1. They struggled to beat Indiana State 20-14 for the only win this year. Every other game has been a blow out.
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1a) Mike Evans, WR Texas A&M
1b) Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB Oregon
2) Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, TE Washington
3) Stephen Morris, QB Miami
4a) Denzel Perryman, ILB Miami
4b) Josue Matias, OG FSU
5) Carlos Hyde, RB OSU
6) Larry Webster, OLB Bloomsburg
7) Ethan Westbrooks, DE West Texas A&M
THROW LONG all day.
Nice one, though I have no clue who your 3rd day small schoolers are, yet...here's my first hail mary 
1a) WR Evans (I think he'll be a Top 5/10 pick when all is said and done though, so we could miss out on him. Alternative: S.Watkins)
1b) QB Manziel or QB McCarron (we will try for Teddy or Mariota, but those two are locked in at 1+2 for JAX and TB already imho, thus we wait it out selecting the BPA/WR first and then grab either the flashy/risky guy with high upside/low floor or the consistent big school "game manager" guy, Mettenberger is also an alternative. Following their "aggressive" mindset Manziel should be "the one", otoh Lombardi also values big school specs and high character, so that'd qualify both McCarron and Mettenberger)
2) OT L.Collins, LSU (they don't believe in Schwartz and bring in some competition, we have zero depth at OT anyway. Another DL is also possible here, since they could try to move Rubin's expensive contract. Anyway, I expect a trenches pick here but no later than 3a for depth and future)
3a) CB Dennard, Michigan St. (I expect him to rise, like him and Verrett the most as #2 CBs specs, his value is better right now, if Verrett is there in the 2nd though, he'd be the pick and a OT or DL here)
3b) C H.Grasu, Oregon (Lombardi is a Belly-copy cat and NE never paid C, so I expect us to let Mack go and draft a more athletic mid rounder like Grasu who's similar to former Ducks C Unger)
4a) RB M.Grice, Arizona St. (TD machine, very good receiver, this FO isn't gonna panic at RB and I agree, sign a decent FA and a good mid round system fit RB like Grice and bring back Dion Lewis and let them battle it out)
4b) ILB Bullough, Michigan St. (yeah, I like that Spartans D, he offers a little more "thump" to the middle)
5) FS Kenny Ladler, Vandy (maybe flipflop this pick with Bullough, but I like both as of now)
6) WR Cody Hoffman, BYU (I'm pretty sure we'll draft 2 WR with Bess and Little underperforming and risking to get the boot next offseason, Benji with an ACL and Gordon being Gordon, lots of space for roles on that depth chart come next season. Hoffman is a sure handed big body WR, if they go small+speed I could also see someone like Gallon, Dri Archer or maybe Lombardi sees another Welker/Edelman/Amendola in Campanaro from Wake Forest, I fully expect a 3rd day WR and just like RB those positions always represent value on day three)
7) QB B.Renner, UNC or QB Price, Washington (I expect both to go higher, but if one is there, that'd be good depth value)
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Glad you guys had a great time.
Yeah, the Ohio State game day experience dwarfs the Brown's game day experience. I do think the new guys are trying to improve things, but they have a long, long way to go.
I don't think that's too much of an indictment on the Browns (they should really be worried about catching up with the rest of the league before they try rivaling a college game day experience).
The presentation of college football both on television and in person is just better. It seems like things move a long at a much better pace with NCAA football. The game day environment at an NFL game seems slowed down and sterile. When you are at the game, and they go to TV timeout, you're just standing there. The players are just standing there. It's hard to get into it. When we were at the game the other night, there wasn't too much of that. The only real long pauses were between the first 2 and last 2 quarters.
I really do think the Browns bringing in Kevin Griffin from the Seattle Sounders of Major League Soccer will be looked at as a pretty awesome move. If you've never seen them play, they pack in Seahawks stadium to capacity, and the atmosphere is incredible.
It's all null and void until the Browns are a really good team though. As good as OSU's experience is, it revolves around the team having decades of excellence. Nobody is getting in their seat 30 minutes before kickoff with a team like Purdue.
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Lombardi also values big school specs and high character, so that'd qualify both McCarron and Mettenberger)
Not sure Mettenberger would qualify as a high-character guy. LOL...........Research it, man.
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My bad then, it was an assupmtion, I haven't read much about any prospects yet, but I've watched some Manziel and McCarron and I have to say that I didn't like what I saw.
Manziel is a one-read and go backyard College QB, that stuff won't fly in the NFL, he's a much smaller RG3 without the QB skills imho. Closer to Tebow than RG3, but something in between and that's not enough for me.
McCarron was very disappointing to watch. Often inaccurate on even easy throws, lots of one read stuff. He's not a 1st round talent imho
I really hope we can get Cutler, but I don't see the Bears letting him go, they will slap him with a franchise tag or the highest tender. This already has the looks of a very frustrating draft weekend with regards to the QB position. Maybe we should really roll with Hoyer/Campbell for another season and solidify the rest? Tough decision
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Thats certainly an option. We could roll some of our picks into next year by trading out of this year.. solidify a couple spots with draft picks, grab a couple free agents, see if Hoyer is the real deal... if he's not, try to get into the Jameis Winston sweepstakes next year... My fear is that Winston is going to have Andrew Luck type hype around him and whoever is #1 is absolutely NOT going to trade out of it for anything... and I seriously doubt we would be #1 overall.. at least I hope not.
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There are alot of reasons to be down on Manziel- start with his attitude and go from there.
I was talking with my brother in law who is a huge Aggie fan. He just went on and on about how great this guy is. I started to watch a few games with a more open mind. I would like to take Evans out of the equation- he seems to really bail out Manziel on alot of things. I think Manziel does have a future in the NFL. I think he is more then a spread QB. He makes alot of plays with his feet when the "pass" play breaks down. He is forcing some things this year so his int's are up, but with a defense like A&M, i think he realizes he needs to put up points.
All in all, if i could have one Aggie though- i would take Evans.
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I go back and forth on Manziel, and to be honest, none of us really know what he will turn into in the NFL. I think we can agree with the way QB's go, he's going first round. You may have to use your own first to bring him in.
Totally agree about Evans. That guy catches everything. He actually reminds me of Jordan Cameron a little bit.
That'd be a nice package to draft Manziel and with the Colts pick, draft Evans.
Gordon/Cameron/Evans with a QB that can extend plays, would make teams wet the bed.
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you'd have a better shot at getting both if you take Evans first. I don't think he lasts until the Colts pick.
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you'd have a better shot at getting both if you take Evans first. I don't think he lasts until the Colts pick.
If that's the case, I don't see how that could happen for us. I think the Browns have to come away with their QB before they select anybody else.
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I think the best comparison for Manziel is Steve Young.. ((((((( I will add my typical disclaimer that I'm not saying he will be as good as Steve Young)))))))) just that his style of play, his ability to extend plays with his feet, his above average but not great arm, etc.. what's left to determine is if he has what Steve Young has between his ears.
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My bad then, it was an assupmtion, I haven't read much about any prospects yet, but I've watched some Manziel and McCarron and I have to say that I didn't like what I saw.
Manziel is a one-read and go backyard College QB, that stuff won't fly in the NFL, he's a much smaller RG3 without the QB skills imho. Closer to Tebow than RG3, but something in between and that's not enough for me.
McCarron was very disappointing to watch. Often inaccurate on even easy throws, lots of one read stuff. He's not a 1st round talent imho
I really hope we can get Cutler, but I don't see the Bears letting him go, they will slap him with a franchise tag or the highest tender. This already has the looks of a very frustrating draft weekend with regards to the QB position. Maybe we should really roll with Hoyer/Campbell for another season and solidify the rest? Tough decision
No big deal. We might still take a guy like Mettenberger despite his past mishaps. It's not like it was drugs. Just kinda freaky in a weird way.
I agree w/you on McCarron. Reminds me of his predecessor.......Good leader on a great team. Pop gun arm. Not a playmaker.
Manzel? His arm is stronger than people think. He is a gamer. He does have "it," probably more than any player in a long time. What worries me about him is how he spins out of the pocket long before he needs to. I doubt that works in the NFL, although Wilson spins out quite a bit, but he does hang in the pocket much longer. I know this kid doesn't look like a typical NFL qb, but I wouldn't doubt he makes it big. Not saying he will, but it would not surprise me in the least.
Totally agree w/you on Cutler. That would be a gold mine. He would fit Norv's offense better than almost any QB in the league. He would be the perfect fit. Therefore, it is almost assuredly not going to happen........LOL
I agree w/you again on we have a tough decision. I wouldn't mind drafting a qb high and keeping Hoyer to run the show until the guy is ready. Of course, part of that is because I am rooting for Hoyer as a person. I love underdogs who make it big. I am getting to the point where I kinda hope we don't trade both number ones and other picks to move up to get the top QB. They are just to hard to judge. Love the Spread offense, but it sure makes evaluating NFL prospective QBs hard as heck.
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Did Mark May really pick PSU to beat Ohio state? LOL
I can't believe ESPN employs him and Holtz to do their top college football show. There is hardly any good points coming across between the two of them.
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I like holtz in that goofy grandfather kind of way.... Never been able to stand mark may - he just seems like an idiot who has a serious hatred of OSU
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who was the guy before lou holtz? I think he was a RB at Nebraska. he was an angry young man.
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I can't stand listening to Holtz speak. He sounds like he has a mouth full of spit. It just drives me nuts.
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That, and he just offers you absolutely no insight. You hear this guy talk and you can't believe he was a coach. Not only a coach, but he was a coach at a major D-1 program that was relevant at the time. THAT guy won a national championship.
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I think Lou falls into that old saying, "he's forgot more football than you'll ever know". Seriously, it's all been forgotten. 
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He sounds like Sid the Sloth from Ice Age.
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Ok I actually watched him tonight... I haven't watched them forever because I hate mark may... Lou just kept rolling his eyes at may which I can understand but it got on my nerves...
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And this is why Purdue is awful as hell.
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Rememer when michigan fans were talking up Brady Hoke, Devin Gardner, and Greg Mattison?
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Rememer when michigan fans were talking up Brady Hoke, Devin Gardner, and Greg Mattison?
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Trev Alberts, I think
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Pretty classless of Michigan State to beat up on a team full of Ronald McDonalds like that.
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Hopefully Miami wins, but FSU is gonna pummel them.
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I'm behind on my DVR. Anybody see Morris' 1st Q TD pass? What a strike.
Couple other guys I've had my eye on are playing in this game... FSU LG Josue Matias is looking good and Canes LB Denzel Perryman is playing slower than I'm used to seeing him.
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