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Speaking of Vegas, for anyone who is curious, Florida State is projected to be a 9.5 point favorite over Ohio State.
Didn't they have the same projection a week ago for the possible Alabama/FSu matchup?
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Just for comparison, 9.5 is exactly what Alabama vs. Notre Dame opened at last year, as well.
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Speaking of Vegas, for anyone who is curious, Florida State is projected to be a 9.5 point favorite over Ohio State.
Didn't they have the same projection a week ago for the possible Alabama/FSu matchup?
No.
Alabama would have been -4 over Florida State.
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What if OSU, Auburn and FSU lose next week? Mizzu and Bama in the NCG?
No. I don't see any chance that Bama, without winning the SEC Championship, makes it into the Championship.
They have before
But they won't this year because both teams playing in the SEC have a better claim.. Auburn beat Bama head to head and if Missouri beats Auburn, they will also have one loss which was a double OT loss to a top 10 team without their starting QB.. I'm not ruling out the SEC, but Auburn and Missouri, whoever wins, will have a better claim to the game than Bama..
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It will be very tough for Ohio State to stop Fsu's offense. I think that line is justified. Wouldn't be surprised if that line jumped to 11. No one outside ohio will give the bucks a shot.
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all that, and: They're a fluke play away from being a 2 loss team. The loss was double digits to a 3 loss team.
And Alabama is a couple botched FGs away from being the undisputed #1 team in the country.. a FG kicker.. not even a real football player..
That's the way this whole thing turns and I find it sort of comical myself that so much money, so much effort and emotion, so much riding on it... and we have determined that Auburn is better than Bama because of a couple of fluke plays and a FG kicker... but in the end, it has to come down to something...
Whats even worse is fighting over whether OSU is better than Auburn/Bama/Missouri when they had zero common opponents and you can't even get to a second level for comparison.. we beat A, A beat B.. therefore we are better than B...
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What should be scary to Ohio State fans (like Notre Dame last year) is that lines are typically skewed in Ohio State's favor and it's still 9.5.
Ohio State, because of their name, typically brings in a large number of bets, and Vegas knows and takes advantage of that.
They'll get plenty of action on Ohio State at 9.5.
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What should be scary to Ohio State fans (like Notre Dame last year) is that lines are typically skewed in Ohio State's favor and it's still 9.5.
Ohio State, because of their name, typically brings in a large number of bets, and Vegas knows and takes advantage of that.
They'll get plenty of action on Ohio State at 9.5.
They were 13 point dogs to Miami in the NC game back in 2003.
I think the line is about right. I actually would favor Ohio State to win straight up if that thing gets into a dog fight. We don't know what kind of stones FSU has. They haven't been challenged at all this year. I think it'd be a good thing for them to have a bit of a game with Duke.
I think it benefited OSU in the NC game against Miami that they were in tough games all year. That team had balls.
This current Buckeye team doesn't have balls like they did, but they have at least been challenged.
I think the whole thing about blowouts is hilarious though. I understand it's the only way to differ between the two, but it's a weak argument.
The only reason FSU should be above OSU is because OSU doesn't have a win that can match the Clemson game. Even though Clemson is overrated, they still went into their house and punished them. They're still a top 20 team if you ask me. They just aren't top ten like they have been all year.
I also love the espn guys making an argument for Auburn because they are a "different" team from when they lost. Then they turn around and mention MSU lost to ND, but forget to throw in that they made a QB change after the game.
I'm not arguing that Auburn is not better than MSU, I'm just pointing out that ESPN tailors their arguments. Even Herbstreit was calling them out a bit last night.
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Just clicking... Then there is this clown: web page Drew Sharp, Detroit Free Press: When does a two-loss season look better than a one-loss season? When looking at the overall quality of the entire schedule and not simply the single high or low moment. It’s why I kept five two-loss teams ahead of Michigan State in my recent Associated Press top 25 football ballot. The Spartans moved up to No. 13 on my ballot. They’re 11-1, winning all eight of their Big Ten conference games by more than double digits. But whereas the Spartans have no bad losses like some of the two-loss teams ranked ahead of them (Stanford and Oregon), they have no true quality victories. The only two ranked teams the Spartans faced at the time of the game weren’t even ranked in the top 20. That must count for something when subjectively determining the pecking order for the nation’s best. That’s also why I’ve consistently downgraded Ohio State’s ranking. The Buckeyes have won 24 straight games under Urban Meyer, but they’ve yet to face a top 15 ranked team in any of those 24 games. I dropped the Buckeyes to eighth on my ballot. Spare me the nonsense about how rivalry games must be observed through a different prism than regular games. Ohio State didn’t look like a top-3 team in Ann Arbor. Clearly in my mind, they didn’t look like a top-7 team. As a result of that uninspired effort and overall poor schedule, Auburn should jump Ohio State in the final BCS rankings next week if it can boast consecutive victories over top-5 ranked teams in two weeks — despite the Tigers having one loss — regardless of the outcome between OSU and MSU in Indianapolis. The Big Ten has only itself to blame if it believes national respect is still hard to find. Get more teams in your league to play better and that would be less of an issue. TRENDING UP ON MY BALLOT: Missouri — How ridiculous does the Big Ten feel now in bypassing the Tigers for Nebraska when it poached the Big 12 for a 12th team more than three years ago? The Cornhuskers are issuing votes of confidence for their embattled head coach while Missouri’s playing in the SEC championship game in just its second year in the mighty conference. TRENDING DOWN ON MY BALLOT: Alabama — Down went the Tide dynasty. Nick Saban was more worried about getting a desperation 56-yard field goal blocked than he was putting more athletes on the field to prevent a 109-yard touchdown return of a missed kick. Hey, even geniuses have the occasional moment of questionable decision making. My Dec. 1 Associated Press top 25 football ballot 1. Florida State 2. Auburn 3. Missouri 4. Alabama 5. Oklahoma State 6. South Carolina 7. Stanford 8. Ohio State 9. Baylor 10. Arizona State
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Top 4 and 5 of the top 6 are SEC teams. Guess we know how this jokester thinks.
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Top 4 and 5 of the top 6 are SEC teams. Guess we know how this jokester thinks.
Does he get a vote? Seems like he does.. so that mindset is affecting the human element to the poll...
I still think its funny that he cites records and rivalries and all of these intangibles yet he still has FSU at #1.. yes, I will admit they have looked better in many of their wins than OSU but as far as strength of schedule.. most of the arguments that apply to OSU also apply to FSU...
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Honestly, this whole thing is a joke. Take two middling teams from the "bad" Big XII, put them into the "mighty" SEC and they're both instantly competing for the conference championships and somehow that's a statement about how great the SEC is?
Come on. That's ridiculous. That's making the facts fit the message.
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just wanted to clarify:
yes, the 4team playoff model is better overall. just pointing out that in this particular instance, it would have muted the excitement of this specific game.
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Imagine this scenario ... 1 Florida State vs 4 Alabama 2 Ohio State vs 3 Auburn Alabama vs Auburn rematch for an all-SEC BCS Title game. The SEC hatred would go through the roof 
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i don't think the SEC hatred would be there as much if they both beat the other top teams like that in a playoff.
it's when a similar profile team (last year OkieState) gets bypassed for the nat'l championship game so that a SEC-rematch can happen that gets the hatred going.
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I agree, I think it's funny too. 
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Honestly, this whole thing is a joke. Take two middling teams from the "bad" Big XII, put them into the "mighty" SEC and they're both instantly competing for the conference championships and somehow that's a statement about how great the SEC is?
Come on. That's ridiculous. That's making the facts fit the message.
Hey, I agree with you.. why does the SEC strength of schedule look so good? Because they compete against and beat a bunch of other ranked SEC teams.. well how did the other teams get ranked? By being in the SEC...
I will give you that in some years, the SEC has been head and shoulders better than the next best conference but this year, it's living on its reputation....
USC had the best SEC OOC schedule... they beat UNC and Clemson... Florida lost to Miami and FSU... Georgia lost to Clemson and was taken to OT by a very average Georgia Tech team... Mississippi State lost to Oklahoma State... Arkansas lost to Rutgers... Kentucky lost to Louisville... Tennessee lost to Oregon.... Missouri beat Indiana... Auburn beat Washington State... Alabama beat Va Tech... Vanderbilt beat Wake Forest...
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Top 4 and 5 of the top 6 are SEC teams. Guess we know how this jokester thinks.
Does he get a vote? Seems like he does.. so that mindset is affecting the human element to the poll...
I still think its funny that he cites records and rivalries and all of these intangibles yet he still has FSU at #1.. yes, I will admit they have looked better in many of their wins than OSU but as far as strength of schedule.. most of the arguments that apply to OSU also apply to FSU...
Just to clarify...about AP rankings towards BCS. According to Wikipedia:
"In 1997, the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) was developed to try to unify the poll results by picking two teams for a "real" national championship game. For the first several years the AP Poll factored in the determination of the BCS rankings, along with other factors including the Coaches Poll and computer-based polls. Because of a series of controversies surrounding the BCS, the AP demanded in December, 2004, that its poll no longer be used in the BCS rankings,[8] and so the 2004-2005 season was the last season that the AP Poll was used for this purpose."
So it looks to not have bearing, but the guy is out in left field either way.
He tweeted this yesterday and other stuff and trolled tOSU and B1G. I tweeted him yesterday and asked if someone hacked his account because it was spewing stupidity.
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Honestly, this whole thing is a joke. Take two middling teams from the "bad" Big XII, put them into the "mighty" SEC and they're both instantly competing for the conference championships and somehow that's a statement about how great the SEC is?
Come on. That's ridiculous. That's making the facts fit the message.
Hey, I agree with you.. why does the SEC strength of schedule look so good? Because they compete against and beat a bunch of other ranked SEC teams.. well how did the other teams get ranked? By being in the SEC...
I will give you that in some years, the SEC has been head and shoulders better than the next best conference but this year, it's living on its reputation....
USC had the best SEC OOC schedule... they beat UNC and Clemson... Florida lost to Miami and FSU... Georgia lost to Clemson and was taken to OT by a very average Georgia Tech team... Mississippi State lost to Oklahoma State... Arkansas lost to Rutgers... Kentucky lost to Louisville... Tennessee lost to Oregon.... Missouri beat Indiana... Auburn beat Washington State... Alabama beat Va Tech... Vanderbilt beat Wake Forest...
SEC teams get the benefit of the doubt because of preseason rankings. Ohio State? Nope.
Georgia and LSU hover in the top 25 all year despite losing games.
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I hope one of the big 10 schools hires Orgeron. Guy would do wonders at a school like Illinois. When he was at Ole Miss he was responsible for bringing in guys like MIchael Oher, J.J Hardy, Dexter McCluster, and Mike Wallace. The big 10 needs coaches that could recruit.
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I hope one of the big 10 schools hires Orgeron. Guy would do wonders at a school like Illinois. When he was at Ole Miss he was responsible for bringing in guys like MIchael Oher, J.J Hardy, Dexter McCluster, and Mike Wallace. The big 10 needs coaches that could recruit.
Illinois has let good talent leave the state for years. Lots of kids bail on Illinois and NW for Iowa, Wisconsin, and teams in other conferences.
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All I know is Auburn fans stormed the field....act like you been there before!
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All I know is Auburn fans stormed the field....act like you been there before!
I disagree. This is college, they beat the #1 team in the country (and their biggest in state rival), got into the conference championship, and put themselves into position for consideration for the national championship.. all on one game-ending wild play... I'd have stormed the field if I was a drunk college kid. 
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And I would have gotten on dawgtalkers.net and said how DC needs to act like he's been there before  Seriously, the storming the field stuff has gotten lame. It was cool when Stanford beat USC as a 41 point underdog. It's not cool when a team who won a National Title 3 years ago does it.
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I disagree. This is college, they beat the #1 team in the country (and their biggest in state rival), got into the conference championship, and put themselves into position for consideration for the national championship.. all on one game-ending wild play... I'd have stormed the field if I was a drunk college kid.
It was tongue in cheek remark because I know how much Top hates when a team storms the field/court when they are a top program
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Seriously, the storming the field stuff has gotten lame.
In a lot of cases I would agree with you.. this just isn't one of them.
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Seriously, the storming the field stuff has gotten lame.
In a lot of cases I would agree with you.. this just isn't one of them.
yeah, there are times not to storm the field. like if the band would have stormed the field during that FG return
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I know it's not the same, but if the Browns won a game that big, in that dramatic fashion, my drunk ass would be on the field, and I have a feeling I wouldn't be the only one.
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I'd have stormed the field on Saturday, even if I was a Bama fan, that's how crazy of a finish it was.
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I know it's not the same, but if the Browns won a game that big, in that dramatic fashion, my drunk ass would be on the field, and I have a feeling I wouldn't be the only one.
It's not the same because we HAVEN'T been there before
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Several thoughts:
--Someone asked how would Ohio State stop Florida State. Good question. Now, I got one for you. How would Florida St stop Ohio State? This is the best offense I have ever seen at Ohio State. They can beat you in a myriad of ways. Yes, our defense is one of the worst we have fielded in my memory, but this offense is incredible and is perhaps the best offense in the entire country.
--Every week it is someone new in regards to who is better than Ohio State. Stanford twice. Oregon twice. Oklahoma State. Baylor. UCLA early in the year.Clemson. And now, Auburn. What happens if Mizzou beats Auburn? All the talking heads and Ohio State haters will say they should pass Ohio State.
--Listened to the BCS show last night on ESPN. Man, those guys were brutal in their hatred for Ohio State. Loved when Herbstreit put them on the spot and asked if you are going to bad mouth Ohio State's schedule, why not bad mouth Florida State's schedule. LOL............they sounded like two bumbling idiots trying to explain it away. Everything they said about the Buckeyes was negative. Of course, Auburn was perfect. Their lucky wins did not matter. Their double digit loss to a very average LSU team did not matter. Their close escapes against sucky teams did not matter. Please!
--Does anyone think ESPN tells these guys to make all these ridiculous comments because it might booster discussion and ratings? Does anyone think they really believe that nonsense?
--I also heard Palmer say that it isn't supposed to matter, but that the SEC has won so many National Championships in a row and that it should be a factor. Okay, I get that. However, if that is so---why can't we say that we have won 24 straight games under Urban Myer? Does anyone realize how prolific that is? They have never lost a game under Myer? That is incredible. Two straight years w/out a loss. Do you know how hard it is to get up for games week in and week out and never, ever lose? Shouldn't that matter for something? Think about it.............Stanford lost to Utah. S. Carolina lost to Tennessee. Florida lost to Georgia Southern. Oklahoma St lost to West Virginia. Wisconsin lost to Penn State. That's just this year. There are always upsets. And yet the Buckeyes have not fallen prey to such epic mishaps and have won TWENTY-FOUR STRAIGHT GAMES!!! That is incredible and I am sick and tired of hearing how a team who has accomplished that great feat get nothing but grief from the media and a large majority of the public. I am proud of my team. If they lose in the National Championship game or even if they lose next week----------I will still be proud of them. They have had a great run and it is a great accomplishment and no one can take that away from them or their fans!!!
--One last point. You want in the National Championship game........don't lose a freaking game. Oh.......and to the fat-faced fool who is the AD for Auburn: Un-American if Auburn doesn't get in? Really?
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They will....as the best in the country, and it was a down year for them.
As I have said, it will take the SEC to beat the SEC.
IMO, either of Alabama or Auburn would kick the crap out of any team they faced in the championship, but they won't get there. Now we get #3 and #4 playing for the title.
I am sure that makes some happy. And it isn't over yet.
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They will....as the best in the country, and it was a down year for them.
As I have said, it will take the SEC to beat the SEC.
IMO, either of Alabama or Auburn would kick the crap out of any team they faced in the championship, but they won't get there. Now we get #3 and #4 playing for the title.
I am sure that makes some happy. And it isn't over yet.
Auburn doesn't scare me at all and Alabama got exposed for having a weak secondary.
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They will....as the best in the country, and it was a down year for them.
Especially if these bowl projections play out:
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Jan. 2 Sugar New Orleans Auburn (SEC champ) vs. UCF (AAC champ)
Jan. 3 Orange Miami Clemson (BCS at-large) vs. Alabama (BCS at-large)
Dec. 30 Music City Nashville Georgia Tech (ACC No. 6) vs. Ole Miss (SEC)
Dec. 31 AdvoCare Shreveport, La. Boston College (ACC No. 7) vs. Arizona (SEC*)
Dec. 31 Liberty Memphis Marshall (C-USA No. 1) vs. Mississippi State (SEC)
Dec. 31 Chick-fil-A Atlanta Miami (ACC No. 2) vs. South Carolina (SEC)
Jan. 1 Gator Jacksonville Michigan (Big Ten No. 5) vs. Georgia (SEC)
Jan. 1 Outback Tampa Iowa (Big Ten No. 3) vs. Texas A&M (SEC)
Jan. 1 Capital One Orlando Missouri (SEC No. 2) vs. Wisconsin (Big Ten No. 2)
Jan. 3 Cotton Arlington, Texas Baylor (Big 12 No. 2) vs. LSU (SEC)
Jan. 4 BBVA Compass Birmingham, Ala. Rutgers (AAC) vs. Vanderbilt (SEC)
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Right. I understand, you are rooting for your team....I get it....I would too. I can tell you this, if OSU or FSU were in the SEC, both would have at least one loss, and I have no reservation in saying that. Like I said....it looks like it takes the SEC to beat the SEC.
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